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chitlin wrote:

heh drunk_musketter has half his kills in a plane and the other half with the gl and sniper ..

so he doesnt ever engage in any fight where he doesnt have some wussbag style advantage

Well..
As infantry I've played for 265h at the begining lots of hours as a sniper (so it cost me rather low SPM), but as u can see no matter which weapon I use (GL, sniper rifle, assault rifle, carbine) my KD ratio is around 2... all infantry KD ratio 2.5. So u see for me it makes no difference.. All I said about GL is I don't like it and that the game would be better without it. I dont cry when other people use GLs.. I just pwn them with their own weapon.
In vehicles I've spent 163h but I've got more kills than as infantry with total KD ratio 9. I would call myself a vehicle nub if my KPM rate with vehicles was like as infantry. It's obvious with vehicles u kill more often. I fly jets often, that's true - 105h already (any types of jets, any maps) and result 8667 kills, 652 deaths, KD ratio 13.29. So what? Does it mean I cannot play anything else?

Last edited by Drunk_Musketeer (2006-01-03 18:08:47)

Drunk, take away the GL stats and those stats are real good.

In Defense of the Noob Tube

I had been thinking of writing up a defense of the so-called "noob tube" and then when I saw all the back-and-forth in this long thread (http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=7922&p=1), I decided it was time to add my two cents. (Some of these points were made in the thread.) Like every weapon, the grenade launcher has strengths and weaknesses. The player who uses it must exploit the benefits and players who fight against have to try to exploit the weaknesses. Anyone who thinks the grenade launcher requires no skill or is unfair hasn't thought about how to use it or attack a player using it. The following points should be useful for players who want to attack players using the grenade launcher and for players who want to use the grenade launcher more effectively.

1. The grenade launcher is difficult to use from a distance. Weapons that shoot bullets are much easier to use from far away. People who use the grenade launcher have to learn how to avoid long-distance fights and find short- and medium-distance fights. (Or else learn the really difficult skill of shooting grenades accurately from long distance.) Players who shoot bullets can kill grenade launchers by not letting them get close. Players who use the grenade launcher are vulnerable (particularly in open spaces) because their behavior is predictable--they will try to get closer. Players using the grenade launcher can avoid this weakness by joining a squad with people who shoot bullets.

2. The grenade launcher is difficult to use uphill. It is easier to kill someone with bullets than the grenade launcher when they are above you. It's pretty difficult for a player using the grenade launcher to fight a person shooting down over a wall above them or coming down stairs at them (which happens all the time in Karkand). On Wake Island, the grenade launcher is a major liability when you are running up the steep hill from the Beach toward the Airstrip. This restricts the grenade launcher's effectiveness. Players who use the grenade launcher have to avoid fighting uphill or form squads with people who shoot bullets. Enemies can render the grenade launcher nearly useless by staying above the player using it and by predicting that the player using the grenade launcher will avoid running up hills if possible.

3. The grenade launcher takes forever to reload. If you miss your first shot you will usually die. (You may even be knifed, which is kind of embarrassing.) This means you have to make sure you have a decent shot. Players can be sloppy when they can shoot 20 (or more) bullets before reloading, but the grenade launcher forces you to be highly disciplined and refrain from shooting at moving targets and long-distance targets.  If there is a group of enemy players and the grenade launcher kills only one, the grenade launcher will die while reloading. A skilled player using the grenade launcher will work with a squad who can help out during the long reload time. Skilled players will defend against grenade launchers by working with squads, always being on the move, and not staying too close to squadmates.

4. The grenade launcher is ineffective against armored vehicles. The grenade launcher is much less useful on maps that have large numbers of armored vehicles (e.g., FuShe Pass). If you use a tank or apc to attack someone using the grenade launcher you will kill them or force them to run away. A skilled player using a grenade launcher joins a squad with anti-tanks or special forces who can attack armor.

5. The grenade launcher is not useful in extremely close encounters. Players do not get good stats (or help the team) if they frequently kill themselves along with their target. People who get good stats from the grenade launcher learn how to avoid killing themselves with it. They have to learn how to stay out of eyeball-to-eyeball encounters or learn how to switch to a weapon that shoots bullets without getting killed. It's easy to stop a player using a grenade launcher from getting near a flag--just run up close and they will not reach their objective.

6. The grenade launcher can reduce some of the huge advantages certain vehicles have. The attack helicopters are incredibly powerful (I think EA is planning to reduce their effectiveness in the next patch) but the grenade launcher can help anti-tank infantry attack helicopters when a helicopter gets low. This helps keep the helicopter up in the air and away from flags--which seems like a pretty fair restriction for such a lightly-armored (or at least highly maneuverable) vehicle. Similarly, cars can be very powerful against infantry in some situations (by shooting them and running them over) but a player using a grenade launcher can even the odds (frequently this requires a difficult shot at a moving target). Again, it seems pretty fair that a little car shouldn't be able to run over armed infantry at will.

My point here is that, yes, the grenade launcher is extremely effective in some situations, but it also has serious drawbacks. As with every weapon, a skilled player will seek out the situations where the weapon is effective and avoid the ones where it is less useful. Skilled opponents will try to get the player using the grenade launcher into those difficult situations and use the weapon's strengths and weaknesses to predict what the player using it will do. A player using the grenade launcher can gain skills that widen the range of situations where the weapon is useful (e.g., players can learn to be accurate from far away).  Finally, as with every weapon, the player using the grenade launcher can only play a limited role and will be most effective with teamwork.

haha... how about a server only with knifes and pistol with 1 mag of rounds...
this would be veri fun..  hope there is such a map in the next release.......

When I started this game I used the GL too and I got my kills from the people in the mist too (yes it is not as easy as it seems, killing people from far away needs a bit of skill) But my primary weapon always was the regular bullet. I stopped using the weapon all time time because it wasn't really my thing.

what I learned was:
Noob tubing is noob
"Using" the grenade laucher isn't
close range is easy and when you do it to me I would like to pull you out of my computer screen and kick you in the teeth.
But when u use it from far away I just start to cry because I'm dead.
The problem is that you often dont know because those pesky little noob tubers are lame and shoot you in the back so you dont know from how far the nade came from. The first I think is a noob tuber then because there are more of them then there are skilled players (with the GL).
So deathcalibre, my word to you (and all others like you) is:
If you only use the GL for long range and/or really crowded area's, I respect you for it. But when you use it any other time, you are just like the rest of them noobie boobies

just to clear up what rguing for arguements sake means ..since you obviously dont know and did it again in your dissertation about nothing..

it is not arguing to prove a point or correct a mistake but simply arguing becuase you want to ..

im not gonna write a paper about every example but heres one gem ..you try to make a logic progression from unfairness to having a faster computer is cheating ...and i assume you know that isnt true ..but maybe not

so you think unfair is a synonym for cheating ? cuz its not theres a distict difference .. and what are you proving what are you correcting ? nothing ..just arguing becuase you aparenntly want to

I guess bitching never dies.....

I may lose my temper once in awhile playing BF2, but if I get owned its my own fault...
I Use the GL once in a while and I noticed one thing: ITS FKIN HARD MAN!!!!!
When I use it its usally for little groups, cars or maybe get lucky and hit summin...  If I try to aim it I miss about 80 percent of the time... or the nade just appears to go right through an enemy....

So I faced the truth, I am not made for GL, but kick ass as a medic, and I still get whats called noobtubed (dont understand the entomology of the word), but I get over it and shoot the guy in the back when he's not looking....... gues that makes me lame....

chitlin wrote:

just to clear up what arguing for arguements sake means ..since you obviously dont know and did it again in your dissertation about nothing..

Wrong again - please re-read, I said what I said: I support the other posters opinion about your use of the word: “hate.”

chitlin wrote:

im not gonna write a paper about every example but heres one gem ..you try to make a logic progression from unfairness to having a faster computer is cheating ...and i assume you know that isnt true ..but maybe not

Easy! It wasn’t the point but here ya go. . .

In a REAL contest the playing field has to be level. If a REAL computer gaming tournament were held, not just some bullshit on-line gaming experience open to the public, there would be rules. The easiest way to do this would be to make everyone play on the same type RIG in every detail, allow each competitor to get some practice time and let the games begin! If one person slipped in a technological advantage [i.e. a faster computer, or a  software HACK!] that would be CHEATING.

chitlin wrote:

so you think unfair is a synonym for cheating? cuz its not theres a distinct difference .. and what are you proving what are you correcting ? nothing ..just arguing becuase you aparenntly want to

No I don't think it is cheating - PERIOD. Annoying YES, Cheating NO.

If an ANVIL was an IDEA and I placed it on your head - I wonder if you would feel it.

I already told in subtle form some people don't consider the word cheating - period - when it comes to a trite thing like a video game. Obviously the point was lost on you. To gain an unfair advantage in a REAL contest where the playing field is level is considered CHEATING. On-line gamming for personal FUN, hardly generates the UNREAL response you have, in me anyway. . . hate, cheat, you’re laughable - like many a so-called “serious gamers” on here.

The point was this: it is not a REAL contest.
[Example: like a professional golf match where even corrective shoes for a naturally occurring problem is considered; an advantage in the golfers stance and thus the ability to impact the golf-ball, and therefore is cheating]

It is not school.
It is not a job.
It is not a professional nor an amateur contest for a REAL prize, REAL status, or REAL rankings.
There is no financial gain.
There is nothing gained - but imaginary POINTS.
It is just a stupid video game - a  stupid video game I happen to like.

Last edited by topal63 (2006-01-04 16:55:42)

LOL

Nor male
Nor a grapfruit
. . . and it doesn't way as much as an adult ostritch either.
Etc.

If an ANVIL was an IDEA and I placed it on your head - I wonder if you would feel it.

yeah dude talk down to me cuz i dont just understand your complex ideas ...

no actually its still becuase you dont presebnt any coherant ideas just a random array of babbling cuz you ant to argue aboutnothing .. this is the last time im responding to you because a.. you have no manners and b. you have no valid points...

To gain an unfair advantage in a REAL contest where the playing field is level is considered CHEATING.

so i bet everyone who boxed mike tyson was saying omg youre stronger than me thats cheating waah... having an advantage is a basic principle in life that most people attempt to achieve .. your attempt to seperate a game advantage versus life advatnage is both illoggical and unsubstantiated

so to conclude having a partitcular HATE about a particular subject does not automatically remove truths and facts

and having an advantage be it in a game or in life is not inherantly cheating ...

this is just the naked truth and every dissertation about outlandish illogical paths you try to draw wont change it...

Does it take "skill" to use a nade launcher? maybe not. Does it take "skill" to jump around shooting? or load a jeep with C4 and ram tanks? My point is not to flame but just sayin this is not a sim by any means. Bashing people for usen something that is ingame to me silly. It seems the issue/or nonissue, depending on your point of view, is with EA. Not with the players usen it. If its there you cant expect people not to use it. 
    I got tired of being killed by the damn thing, so I started usen it myself. Sorry, guess im a "noob" in some peoples eyes. But I guess I dont really care. This is by far the best weapon in the game imho. It should have been an unlock.
    If unlocks were based on badges not points there probably wouldnt be an argument. For instance. If you had the nade launcher unlock with lets say expert assault badge. This would have made you earn the uberz noob tube after usen your "skill" at shooting with a reg. M16. As well as maken you earn a weapon at a class you actually play. Rather then getting 3k kills in a plane or whatever, and getting new ground weapons. I dont think things like this are likely to get changed at this point. So I guess we just live with the way things are and accept the good and bad points of the game, and try and have fun. Just my two cents and that may be all its worth to some people.

Last edited by Hapsmo (2006-01-05 03:32:35)

My only problem with the grenade launcher is that it can be used for very close combat and it doesn't damage the user.  Then again is the splash radius was enlarged it would be even easier from a distance. Kind of a double edged sword. If it works use it. 

Me personally, I use them at a distance. Much more satisfying.