MajorHoulahan_MASH
Member
+31|6987

Marinejuana wrote:

Ty wrote:

Needless Ty rant
You don't even play bf2. stop lecturing us as if you do. youre just another person on these forums talking down to the community about how things "ought" to be.  maybe you should play the game a bit more and simply learn how they are. it was sad listening to you stumble through your support example without mentioning nades. I regularly participate in many of the debates you are whining about because a large percentage of people playing BF2 do not fill useful roles for their team. You can encourage us to ignore the details of the game and follow our own urges and beliefs, or you can just step back and let members of the community (that play the game) freely discuss when a kit/strategy is useful/not useful, exploitative/skillful. such distinctions have more substance than your naive preconceptions.
+1 for Marinejuana.

Save us your "elitist" moderator crap, Ty. Why you even bother? You hardly play the game yourself.
The whining was there since day 1 of BF2, and after all, isnt that what forums are for also ?

Elitist rant over/.

Last edited by MajorHoulahan_MASH (2007-06-18 18:36:19)

adv3rsary
Member
+28|6981
according to the people you're talking about:

choppers = you're a cheap whore
jets = you're a cheap whore
L85/G36E = cheap
claymores = cheap
snipers = cheap
tanks = you're a cheap whore
GLaunchers = cheap
nades = cheap
SRAW = cheap

here's my answer to these people

You suck at this game, find another game.. or better yet pick up an RPG and shoot youreself in the face and put us out of your misery
lmancuso
Member
+8|6431|at your base...killing you!
that was what i was thinking also

Last edited by lmancuso (2007-06-19 06:13:36)

RD_The_Dog
Member
+87|6802
I dont see the problem with g36ers.  They still die just as easily as the guys holding pistols.

I personally dont use it because yes, it is overpowered, but i dont mind if you use it.  You'll die the same
chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7113|"Frisco"

You know, I have actually been accused of "shotgun whoring" before. Whatta'crock.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6972|67.222.138.85

chuyskywalker wrote:

You know, I have actually been accused of "shotgun whoring" before. Whatta'crock.
Chuy is a shotgun pimp. The M11-87 is his pimp cane.

Edit: To the post below, me and my friends were accused of boat whoring on Sharqi IO. US had all the flags, so we stole a boat and 5 of us in an RIB around beach house stopped everyone from getting through that point. Greatness.
adv3rsary
Member
+28|6981

chuyskywalker wrote:

You know, I have actually been accused of "shotgun whoring" before. Whatta'crock.
only thing i HAVENT been accused of whoring is a BOAT.. and i got a feeling that's coming soon
David.P
Banned
+649|6539

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

chuyskywalker wrote:

You know, I have actually been accused of "shotgun whoring" before. Whatta'crock.
Chuy is a shotgun pimp. the M11-87 is his pimp cane.
And you mods are his "Ho's" Am i right?
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6972|67.222.138.85

David.Podedworny wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

chuyskywalker wrote:

You know, I have actually been accused of "shotgun whoring" before. Whatta'crock.
Chuy is a shotgun pimp. the M11-87 is his pimp cane.
And you mods are his "Ho's" Am i right?
Of course.
David.P
Banned
+649|6539

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

David.Podedworny wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


Chuy is a shotgun pimp. the M11-87 is his pimp cane.
And you mods are his "Ho's" Am i right?
Of course.
No wonder theres so many of ya. Do you charge per hour or per service?
mikeshw
Radioactive Glo
+130|7103|A Small Isle in the Tropics

I hardly ever pay attention to what is being screamed at over the screen, other that the "XXX! YOU HAXXX!! AIMBOT!!".

But when I do pay attention, I chuckled. It is just a game. Get a life. Get over it. 1337 stats in BF2 doesn't earn you a well paying job or a career. And for the avoidance of doubt, I agree with Ty's posts.
aZWARt325
Banned
+7|6424|Long Beach, California USA

Ty wrote:

I don't know why I write this now, but regardless:

I wonder when the time will come where a player can do absolutly nothing in Battlefield without being some kind of cheapskate? Already being Sniper is frowned upon, people tend to think it's too easy. Likewise with Medics and 'whoring' points with three diferent options of scoring considerable points, (killing, healing and reviving,) not to mention the G36E. Now Support are being targeted for thier armour and ammunition capabilities. That doesn't leave much, espcially after assuming that Assault can already be considered in this list for the almighty Noob-tube, Special Operations have been attacked for C4 whoring or whatever it was called, even Anti-Tank has been criticised in the past, I can't remember the specifics, I seem to remember something regarding AT weapons against infantry being deemed a no-no.

So we're left with just Engineer am I right? Has a special ability that never really amounts to much as in everone's opinions it takes too long to earn a repair point. They have short range guns which give their offensive capabilitis a disadvantage. The Engineer's speciality is setting exploding friendly rally points, I think their official name is "AT mines". There is next to no advantage in being Engineer, I'm not asking for people to say as I do that Engineer is not that bad and is fun to play I am meerly making a point. What do we get when we demand that different classes should not be desirable? We get a uniform and boring game with little variability which astounds me, especially since diversity of different aspects of warfare gave the Battlefield series it's appeal in the first place.

All the classes are different, some have advantages over others. If we keep complaining about them than you get a terrible game. I for one am sick of hearing all the bullshit that spouts from the so-called 'elite' players. I hear complaints that the G36E is too good and everyone who uses it is worthless, I hear complaints that Support guns are too accurate and armour is too good so you're not good at the game if you use them. You know what? If you're too stupid to use different things to your advantage than you deserve to be killed by these apparently 'inferior' players.

Battlefield is a simple concept to master. You kill other players, (preferably on the other team.) If you are being killed by other players than work harder to kill them, this may involve re-thinking your strategies. A poor workman blames his tools, or more fittingly blames the tools of those better than him. Just kill people and stop the elitist bullshit.

Needless Ty rant over.
/Agreedface
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6912
Claymores, g36e's and j10s are all lame and if they were removed from the game entirely, I wouldn't mind one bit. Or better yet, put it back to the way it was when I bought the game.
I-=C-A-V-E-M-A-N=-I
Member
+12|6636|Ohio

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

But seriously, it doesn't fucking matter anymore if people complain about an aspect of the game, because chances are it shouldent be there to begin with. Everything has been tampered with so many times to suit the talentless that it does not matter anymore. Let them complain, so this game will end up being a game that no one except the 8-12 age range will enjoy, oh wait...it god damn near already is...
That pretty much sums it up.  Sure there are those that complain about things having more of an advantage then others, but the worst part is all of the unskilled pieces of shit that have dumbed everything down.  That is what has ruined this game. 

Examples:

No firing while jumping - 
Because you would never ever do it if you had to in rl.  Besides the fact that the accuracy was terrible while jumping.

Shot delays- 
Take a halfstep to far, fall off the one story building, and have to stare at your enemy for 3-5 seconds before being able to shoot back.   But people have to whine about mobile players.  Just remember kiddies in this patch you must jump up from prone to fire back or make a really scary face at the enemy if you hit crouch.

There are more, but they are in other posts read them there.

As far as the kits go most of the lameness has been removed, but EA/DICE as always added some new unneeded bs.

Assault-
The grenade launchers need turned up. They should be like normal nades.  This would end the nubcakesness that takes place now.   Shit even on FF on servers you can tube at point blank range and live.  That is what makes it a n00by weapon.  Try it with a normal nade, it doesn't work.

Antitank-
How can anyone complain about this kit?   If you are dumb enough to flop prone in front of one, don't cry when they rocket you.

Support-  Lord of weed anyone?  enough said

Sniper-
Claymores have a delay, so blame yourself for not looking before sprinting in some place.  Use your head and you can avoid most of them.

Medic- 
The g36e needs recoil.  That and the fact that it is just about as accurate on burst as it is on single needs changed.  I dont care if some nublet uses it.  Maybe they need that gun to get a kill. Though I try to discourage everyone I know from using it since it takes absolutely zero skill to use. That and you can't use it in real scrims. The thing that irritates me is the jackasses that act like they are gods gift to bf2 while using it.

Unlocks are overrated.  The default guns are far better, but nobody takes any time to try them.  The real problem is that almost everyone has to look for some way, other than themselves, to out do the enemy.   Nobody can rely on themselves to accomplish something.  They have to get the game to do it for them.  I bet that most of the g36e elites are almost useless without it.  But, how many people would even attempt to play without  their precious unlocks?

Last edited by I-=C-A-V-E-M-A-N=-I (2007-06-19 00:13:24)

Marinejuana
local
+415|6850|Seattle

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

This game should be nerfed down to the medic kit with stock guns, and no grenades. Then it will be sexytime.
warbastard46
Member
+2|6423|bonnyscotland

Ty wrote:

I don't know why I write this now, but regardless:

I wonder when the time will come where a player can do absolutly nothing in Battlefield without being some kind of cheapskate? Already being Sniper is frowned upon, people tend to think it's too easy. Likewise with Medics and 'whoring' points with three diferent options of scoring considerable points, (killing, healing and reviving,) not to mention the G36E. Now Support are being targeted for thier armour and ammunition capabilities. That doesn't leave much, espcially after assuming that Assault can already be considered in this list for the almighty Noob-tube, Special Operations have been attacked for C4 whoring or whatever it was called, even Anti-Tank has been criticised in the past, I can't remember the specifics, I seem to remember something regarding AT weapons against infantry being deemed a no-no.

So we're left with just Engineer am I right? Has a special ability that never really amounts to much as in everone's opinions it takes too long to earn a repair point. They have short range guns which give their offensive capabilitis a disadvantage. The Engineer's speciality is setting exploding friendly rally points, I think their official name is "AT mines". There is next to no advantage in being Engineer, I'm not asking for people to say as I do that Engineer is not that bad and is fun to play I am meerly making a point. What do we get when we demand that different classes should not be desirable? We get a uniform and boring game with little variability which astounds me, especially since diversity of different aspects of warfare gave the Battlefield series it's appeal in the first place.

All the classes are different, some have advantages over others. If we keep complaining about them than you get a terrible game. I for one am sick of hearing all the bullshit that spouts from the so-called 'elite' players. I hear complaints that the G36E is too good and everyone who uses it is worthless, I hear complaints that Support guns are too accurate and armour is too good so you're not good at the game if you use them. You know what? If you're too stupid to use different things to your advantage than you deserve to be killed by these apparently 'inferior' players.

Battlefield is a simple concept to master. You kill other players, (preferably on the other team.) If you are being killed by other players than work harder to kill them, this may involve re-thinking your strategies. A poor workman blames his tools, or more fittingly blames the tools of those better than him. Just kill people and stop the elitist bullshit.

Needless Ty rant over.
here here......good rant mate, covered just about everything...except the stats issue.whats your thoughts on that one?
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7040|Noizyland

MajorHoulahan_MASH wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

Ty wrote:

Needless Ty rant
You don't even play bf2. stop lecturing us as if you do. youre just another person on these forums talking down to the community about how things "ought" to be.  maybe you should play the game a bit more and simply learn how they are. it was sad listening to you stumble through your support example without mentioning nades. I regularly participate in many of the debates you are whining about because a large percentage of people playing BF2 do not fill useful roles for their team. You can encourage us to ignore the details of the game and follow our own urges and beliefs, or you can just step back and let members of the community (that play the game) freely discuss when a kit/strategy is useful/not useful, exploitative/skillful. such distinctions have more substance than your naive preconceptions.
+1 for Marinejuana.

Save us your "elitist" moderator crap, Ty. Why you even bother? You hardly play the game yourself.
The whining was there since day 1 of BF2, and after all, isnt that what forums are for also ?

Elitist rant over/.
Perhaps you should have read the post directly after Marinejuana's post on the first page of this thread.
That being said, you do have a point. Whinging will always be a part of gaming and forums. I just think that in BF2 in particular it has gone too far.
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theDunadan
Member
+2|6475|CA, USA
I agree with you. I simply tend to ignore this kind of thing as it is entirely pointless, yet unfortunately quite common. Some people are jerks. That's that. Battlefield is supposed to be fun and you can use whatever tools are available regardless of people opinions and flames. I myself went quite some time without playing because I just died all the time when I first stared playing and people were jerks. I played other games just for fun. That's the way it should be. Fun. Anyway, nice post!
Jameseyy
Banned
+108|6493|Scotland!

I-=C-A-V-E-M-A-N=-I wrote:

Sniper-
Claymores have a delay, so blame yourself for not looking before sprinting in some place.  Use your head and you can avoid most of them.
What a shower of shite.
Ubersturmbannfuhrer
I am a fucking homosexual
+211|6872|Parainen, Finland
Now days I only enjoy this game playing with friends with voice over.
I cant fucking kill one single guy before I am shot, bombed, naded or fisted.
A half year back it was fun to play alone, you could easily get the most kills just by flying solo in a chopper or
flying a plane. Now days you get killed at least 3 times before you are airborne... Maybe I´m just getting rusty.

Last edited by Ubersturmbannfuhrer (2007-06-19 04:36:23)

Drexel
Member
+43|6741|Philadelphia

Ty wrote:

We get a uniform and boring game with little variability which astounds me, especially since diversity of different aspects of warfare gave the Battlefield series it's appeal in the first place.
I agree with you to a point.  I love the different kits just as much as any other.  But if one kit is more appealing, (Example the medic kit with G36E) then everyone takes that kit.  Where's the diversity in that?

I cannot tell you how many IO servers I've been in that are 70% medics, 25% snipers, and 5% every other kit out there.  Now if this diversity was good, then you should have the same ratio of every kit out there.

So the issues of balancing the kits isn't just because one is too "Noobish" to use one, but because if all the kits were equivalent in desire, (Medics get high teamwork but not many kills, while the Assault gets tons of kills with very little teamwork - but both getting generally the same amount of points) then the game would function the way it was intended.  None of this 70% a server with the same kits.
I-=C-A-V-E-M-A-N=-I
Member
+12|6636|Ohio

Jameseyy wrote:

I-=C-A-V-E-M-A-N=-I wrote:

Sniper-
Claymores have a delay, so blame yourself for not looking before sprinting in some place.  Use your head and you can avoid most of them.
What a shower of shite.
Woot for teh poo shower!   But in all seriousness, blame yourself for not looking out for them.  Just run around aimlessly and mine sweep for me so I can focus on the enemy.  It is hilarious watching some nublet running around with the clay out. +2 for me.  Even if you are prone, and they throw it at you ,get up and move it wont go off, until your blind teammate stumbles into it whilst you kill teh nublet sniper.
J][gga
Member
+8|6918
tissue anyone?
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7095|Denver colorado
I only get mad and start stuff with a player when they do something totally not-miraculous and bloat like the fat cunts they are. I killed this player a few nights ago like... 6 times in a row and then I got killed by his claymore. He spamed "LOL PWNED XD" so I started a kick vote which led to an argument with the dumb noob.

Others were sick of his presence too so they started a kick vote also. And after I grammar nazi'd him for using the word 'apparently' totally wrong he eventually left.


I guess the point im trying to convey is that I am fully able to kill players who use the E and other 'cheap' tactics because most people in pubs are really really pathedic at the game. But I don't mind and thats why I have fun pubbing. But when I have a personal issue with somebody I don't mind to make it my business.
Sgt. Sergio Bennet 3rd
Member
+169|7011|Mexico City
Next nerf ?:

- Medics will have limited heal bags and limited revives. will all the medic whores keep whoring if that could be possible?
- Support will have limited supplies bags. No more carrying 500 nades at IO servers. will lord of weed whatever suicide?
- Engineers will get a riffle or a UBER pistol. Shotgun rocks.
- SF and Assault are ok.
- ATs will have better armor and a better pistol. Is stupid to be able to shot a rocket from the shoulder and survive and get killed by 3 bullets at the same time.
- Snipers will have a better uniform. That wookie suit is a magnet to rockets.
- G36E will be nerfed as a normal assault riffle. Is stupid that this weapon has better accuracy than a sniper riffle.


maybe this will happen at BF3, if we ever think of buying it.

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