BF2S Forums Name and shame, the FMG clan and their idiotic admins

You gave a percieved insult (callingn an admin a hobo). You recieved an insult as a retort (being banned). You responded by actually unsulting (calling him a powermonger) as a retort. He retorts, you up the ante and threaten, then he injures you.

back when i was a child, if id have done that, id have gotten smacked. i was always told "be the better man and walk away (instead of insulting back)".

PS. FMG is not a clan it is a online gaming community, And me using the word 'moron' is perhaps lacking in a little professionalism, however I get like that when someone sprouts off crap about a community they know nothing about.

You gave a percieved insult (callingn an admin a hobo).

I'm sorry, but no sane person would take this as an insult. People who are neither reasonable nor sane do not belong as admins. Period.

You recieved an insult as a retort (being banned).

No, I took exception to the THREAT. When I came back in, I was halfway through typing "wow, tough crowd tonight" when I received a direct THREAT from them. I simply do not put up with threats, I don't care who you are.

You responded by actually unsulting (calling him a powermonger) as a retort. He retorts, you up the ante and threaten, then he injures you.

A person who threatens someone with an abuse of power for no good reason is a powermonger.

mon·ger    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (mnggr, mng-)
n.
A dealer in a specific commodity. Often used in combination: an ironmonger.
A person promoting something undesirable or discreditable. Often used in combination: a scandalmonger; a warmonger.

back when i was a child, if id have done that, id have gotten smacked. i was always told "be the better man and walk away (instead of insulting back)".

Read this analogy over again and please tell me how you feel it is valid for this discussion.

but perhaps something already ticked him off or you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Again, part of the responsibility of being an administrator is that your dealings with people is fair. Especially when you're in a position where they can't do anything to defend themselves.

I think its very odd you think you have the right to come and play on my server and be disruptful and disrespectful to my admins and then beg me to get back on my servers threatening me with crying to EA games about crap they are really not concerned with.

Um, EXCUSE ME? I at no time have EVER begged to be allowed back on your insipid little server. I contacted your support department demanding the apology I am rightfully owed. Whether or not I receive it will determine whether I report you to EA or not, for your ABUSE. EA will determine whether or not they'll be concerned with it, NOT you.

I see it like this. I pay $350 + per month to rent a machine and bandwith so morons like you can come onto my server and give my admins grief. You dont pay for it. You have no right to say jack

That's a load of garbage. Money doesn't entitle you to nothing. If you can't handle having a server up, take the server down, bottom line. There are a ton of other servers that have quite normal and decent people running them. Let the people go to them not under the false pretense that you are providing them with something they want. Nobody wants to deal with idiots like you. That's why there are 13,000 "loser admin" threads on these forums. We're sick and tired of the attitude of entitlement you seem to gain just because you have the password that allows you to ban people. Get off your high horse.

If i dont want a moron like you playing on my server I wont. I wont have some idiot threatening and being disrespectful to my admins if I dont want to. I am not paying for that. The folks that play on my servers do not deserve that and they dont deserve to put up with folk like you making a ass out of themselfs.

No sir, YOU are the moron in this. Just look at what you're writing. You equate a harmless joke with "making an ass out of one self.

The folks that play on your servers don't deserve to be under your tyrrany, where any comment they make could be their last. Do a true favor for this community and shut your servers down, such that the playerbase can find other, less drama-queen servers to play on where they can actually act like the human beings that they are and have fun.

I am sorry to say it dude but once you start throwing threats to me about stuff you know absolutely snaffoo about you go straight into the banned for life moron basket.

You lack anything resembling eloquence, tact, maturity, or a respect for any other person than yourself. I consider it a great honor to be in your "banned for life moron basket", as if I'm a moron for being completely in the right, I don't know what derogitory term you could come up with to describe yourself.

FMG is one of the most popular bf2 communities out there

Here's to a step in the right direction of righting this great wrong.

and we are because we welcome everyone on our servers

Except, of course, people with a sense of humor.

PS. FMG is not a clan it is a online gaming community, And me using the word 'moron' is perhaps lacking in a little professionalism, however I get like that when someone sprouts off crap about a community they know nothing about.

This is almost a non-sequitor it is so irrelavent to what's being talked about here. Online community, clan, guild, squad, flock of seagulls, call it what you want, that's just semantics.

PS.PS.

Thanks for the free advertising, I may have to let you back in after all :-)

Well, in a "hey check it out Michael Jackson's court case is on TV, what great free advertising!" kind of way it might be advertising for you, but as you can see from the negativity that has been expressed by other people who have had exposure to your "community" or are witnessing it for the first time through this complaint, you have not done yourselves a service.

Your posts are lacking in any content whatsoever because I have exposed what went down, with almost word for word accuracy, or as close to it as can be provided by memory, and you and I both know there is no justifiable defense for your actions.

And I would not willingly place myself back on a server run in this manner with totally unpredictable admins. I mean, knowing my luck, I would fall off the hotel and say "AW FUDGE" and be banned by one of your admins "having a bad day" who almost died to an allergic reaction to nuts in a fudge bar when he was a kid.

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-15 12:10:28)

Here is one definition of hobo:

Hobo (n): disreputable vagrant; "a homeless tramp";

That sounds like an insult to me.

Which is not completely in context - the intent of a jest vs an insult is that an insult is thrown maliciously, whereas a jest is just poking fun at anything at random. Because of the utter ridiculousness of the thought of a hobo fresh off the street administrating a computer game server, it is obviously a jest. If I would have said "Their admins are complete incompetant fools and assholes too" then that could have been taken as an insult.

Also, you used the most insulting possible term you could find for hobo to suit your argument. Off dictionary.com, here is the #1 relavancy for the word hobo:

ho·bo    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (hb)
n. pl. ho·boes or ho·bos
One who wanders from place to place without a permanent home or a means of livelihood.
A migrant worker.

intr.v. ho·boed, ho·bo·ing, ho·boes
To live or wander like a vagrant.

Images that the word hobo conjure up is the silly guy in the raggy clothes, with the stick that has a polka dotted handkerchief tied to it, travelling the railroad and telling hobo tales over a can of baked beans. It's a silly humorous pronoun.

Even calling him a powermonger is not an insult, because it is a truth that his actions exposed him to be. A reasonable person would have said "hey now, all kidding aside, our admins are really nice guys". Notice how different that response is from "talk about our admins and you'll never play here again".

but I highly question the veracity of your account

I can only give you my word that what I said here is accurate. I challenge FMC to produce logs (no doctored logs please, I will be able to spot any tampering) that disagree with what I've posted here. You'll note that they have not attempted to refute any of my quotations expressed here - only tried to justify it by saying "we pay for the server, so too bad for you"

however, I have yet to see anyone provide any reference to any posted rules by EA.

One tangible example you can use is EA's crackdown on knife/pistol only servers. By that logic, these servers are quite fine - the admin has a preference for those two weapons "if you don't like it, leave". BUT EA removed the ranked status from these servers because they directly stat pad those two stats. So it does show, in fact, they were in violation of a rule.

An admin who bans or kicks with undue reason is padding a player's kicked/banned statistics. These statistics can be viewed by other players or admins, and give them a negative view of that person (admins may even kick or ban them for perceiving them as "troublemakers"). There was a post on here a while back where people were judging the author because he had a ton of kicks and bans. Turns out he was just a helicopter "whore" that people didn't like, or at least so he claimed. From this situations, I received 2 kicks and a ban to my permanent record when there was no just cause for any. This is comparable to libel against me, and an admin who does this has no business having the privilege of a ranked server.

Now, let me make this perfectly clear, I don't condone any admins kicking people to help stat pad or anything that would be considered poor sportmanship. However, when you are playing on someone's server - you are their guest. When i am in someone's home I show them respect - they don't have to earn it. Do you go rifling through someone's refridgerator when you're in their home? If they don't want me there, then I leave. I don't think playing on someone's server is any different. I've played on a lot of different servers and some of them have some pretty asinine rules in my opinion, but it's their server so I abide by them.

When you are a guest in someone's place, do you expect them to treat you as sub-human? Do you expect to be blatantly abused by your hosts? If you were, would you go back? If you were, would you hold those people in good standing? The whole point of my post here is that I did nothing to deserve such a knee jerk assault from these people. Guest or not, you don't attack those people who you extend an invitation to.

You say that it doesn't make any difference that the admin was from a company that sells servers. Yet, you make a joke discrediting thier staff. That is their business and how they make their money. If I had some freeloader walk into my business and say something derogatory in front of a potential client, I'd kick them out too.

Even so, in game is neither the time nor the place to be doing a sales pitch. This is why there is an official website with FAQs and CSRs. In the game, I expect my team to be playing the game, not having a chat about server rentals. And what salesperson looks good if they turn into a raving lunatic in front of a client because someone made a small joke. The way they reacted, you'd think I brought their mothers into the conversation. No, I believe this analogy does not fit.

And, where do you come up with this notion that EA has a requirement on enforcement of the orange name exploit?

Thanks for clarifying this - in my original post I had wanted confirmation on this. I had heard that there was an edict from EA saying that this was an exploit and the exploiters should be kicked. That should not matter though, as I still have the issue of stat manipulation to clear up.

By buying the game you are helping to pay for the ranked servers that EA puts up. Go play on those or one of the ones hosted by sponsers. Until you start ponying up some dough for the servers you play on you don't have any rights as far as I'm concerned.

I would much prefer if servers like this didn't show on the list at all, such that those people would actually be diverted into an official EA server. This is really why they need stronger regulation over who can and can not become a ranked server. To tell the truth, at this point, because of the great number of complaints being lodged against these "clan servers", I think only the EA servers should be ranked.

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-15 13:13:43)

Suds, what harm would it have done if you had either -

-walked away from the server when you first got banned, or

-walked away from the server when you got banned again?

both times you took the insult to your pride, and came back with another insult. not being able to take an insult and just walk away is a sign of immaturity. immature = childish.

Please consider if you will that we are dealing with an epidemic of server admins who have no morals or ideals when it comes to administrating their server. Please do not label me as childish because I take a stand against these malefactors. That is insulting. You are quick to say "just let it go", but if someone walked up to you in real life and started abusing you in such a manner, would you tolerate it? I think not.

Chitlin, stop trolling and contribute something (hopefully intelligent) to the thread.

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-15 13:27:16)

{504th}T/4.Stryker wrote:

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Geez, my I.Q. just dropped reading this.  Way to make a feeble attempt a thread hijack.  wait, you just attempted to hijack a thread.  you furking canadian terrorist

I've played on some FMG servers and i think they got quite decent admins. Dunno why he banned you.

Just go play somewhere else. I used to play on some moders server and got banned by an admin for no reason. I don't care. There are other servers out there.

Just for the reference, there is indeed a BF2s server. The info is at the top right of the main page.

I am an admin there so I wouldn't worry about getting kicked for cracking a joke.

I continue to reply to this post because your being childish. Im not saying that the admin that banned you wasnt being childish. *however* if "cooler heads had prevailed" you would have walked back in after the first boot, made your statement about the tough crowd, and then continues along your merry little way.

Instead, you chose to rise up against a threat. Considering the threat was an extremely insubstantial one, it was a pretty childish thing to do. The sooner you realize that you both were in the wrong, the better off your gaming will be.

blacksheepcannibal wrote:

I continue to reply to this post because your being childish. Im not saying that the admin that banned you wasnt being childish. *however* if "cooler heads had prevailed" you would have walked back in after the first boot, made your statement about the tough crowd, and then continues along your merry little way.

Instead, you chose to rise up against a threat. Considering the threat was an extremely insubstantial one, it was a pretty childish thing to do. The sooner you realize that you both were in the wrong, the better off your gaming will be.

This whole situation sounds like a testosterone-driven pissing contest to me.  It takes two people to have a dispute and both sides let a very minor issue spiral out of control.  If either party would've swallowed their pride and said "my bad, this is stupid, let's just drop it and play", things wouldn't have had to come to this.

ok suds i understand being pissed about bad admins but the best way to deal w/ it is report the behavior to ea then shut up about it. all your doing is advertising for them now and more people will go there to "see for themselfs". if knowone knows about the server it wont be populated and the admins are wasting there money.

p.s. help populate my clan server we arnt asshats ..lol ........67.18.187.3:16567

Last edited by ronin1942 (2005-12-15 14:17:54)

Sud wrote:

...you used the most insulting possible term you could find for hobo to suit your argument

Yes I did, because as you should know this game is played by people all over the world. The same word can have VERY different meanings to different people. A word that you or I find inoffensive can be very offensive to another person from a different culture.

Sud wrote:

however, I have yet to see anyone provide any reference to any posted rules by EA.

One tangible example you can use is EA's crackdown on knife/pistol only servers. By that logic, these servers are quite fine - the admin has a preference for those two weapons "if you don't like it, leave". BUT EA removed the ranked status from these servers because they directly stat pad those two stats. So it does show, in fact, they were in violation of a rule.

And I wholeheartedly agree with EA doing that. But, I see a lot of people stating you can't do X or Y on a ranked server because it's against EA's rules. Where are these rules for ranked servers that everyone seems to be getting their information from. If there is actually a rule that EA has put down that says you can't kick someone for calling you a hobo, then I will adhere to it. Until then i will run my server how I see fit. In fact i think we have less than 10 people that have ever beened banned from our server and almost all of those have been for blatant, repeated team killing.

Sud wrote:

An admin who bans or kicks with undue reason is padding a player's kicked/banned statistics. ... From this situations, I received 2 kicks and a ban to my permanent record when there was no just cause for any. This is comparable to libel against me, and an admin who does this has no business having the privilege of a ranked server.

I don't consider kicking someone as padding their stats. My interpretation of padding is acts to artificially increase your score (we can just agree to disagree on this point). But if an admin were to kick someone to give himself or someone else a medal, then that would be padding. And YOU padded your own stats by repeatedly going back.

Sud wrote:

When you are a guest in someone's place, do you expect them to treat you as sub-human? Do you expect to be blatantly abused by your hosts? If you were, would you go back? If you were, would you hold those people in good standing?

No I do not expect to be treated poorly if I am a guest in someone's home. But, if I am - I LEAVE. You were asked to leave and came back twice.

Sud wrote:

You say that it doesn't make any difference that the admin was from a company that sells servers. Yet, you make a joke discrediting thier staff. That is their business and how they make their money. If I had some freeloader walk into my business and say something derogatory in front of a potential client, I'd kick them out too.

Even so, in game is neither the time nor the place to be doing a sales pitch. This is why there is an official website with FAQs and CSRs. In the game, I expect my team to be playing the game, not having a chat about server rentals. And what salesperson looks good if they turn into a raving lunatic in front of a client because someone made a small joke. The way they reacted, you'd think I brought their mothers into the conversation.

It's not your place to decide how a business should be run. If they set up the server to pitch clients, that is their perogative.

Sud wrote:

And, where do you come up with this notion that EA has a requirement on enforcement of the orange name exploit?

Thanks for clarifying this - in my original post I had wanted confirmation on this. I had heard that there was an edict from EA saying that this was an exploit and the exploiters should be kicked. That should not matter though, as I still have the issue of stat manipulation to clear up.

Actually, I don't know this for sure. This goes back to the Ranked Server Rules issue. There are none that i have ever found. The only "rules" that I am aware of are the ones the EA imposes within the server files themselves. The reason I agree witht he decision to take awaay ranked status from knife/pistol servers is that they would have been kicking people for using other weapons because they were trying to pad their own stats.

I would much prefer if servers like this didn't show on the list at all, such that those people would actually be diverted into an official EA server. This is really why they need stronger regulation over who can and can not become a ranked server. To tell the truth, at this point, because of the great number of complaints being lodged against these "clan servers", I think only the EA servers should be ranked.

I don't see all that many complaints. It's just like anything else - you only hear from the people that complain about something. No one is going to post a message saying "Hey I played on the XYZ server last night and I didn't get kicked. It was great!". I saw one post on this forum from someone complaining that he was always getting kicked - and he was. But, I rarely get kicked, most of mine were auto-kicks from early in the game when I would get kicked for too many TKs when friendlies would try and catch my arty.

And, if it wasn't for all of the private ranked servers out there there wouldn't be enough servers for everyone to play on. In the first couple months of this game it was near impossible to find a server that was not full.

Personally, I think you have a chip on your shoulder. You say "I will not be insulted" so you keep returning to the server to be banned and then complain about being banned. If someone insults you in-game, then you have been insulted wether you wanted to be or not. Some people are A-holes. That's life and it will always be like that. You can either complain about it or try to pick a fight (which seems to be your modus operandi) or you can just say "He's an a-hole, his life must really suck, I'd hate to be him" Then move on and be happy