BF2S Forums This guy pretty much said it all.

since I can't give him a +1, I'll give you one

SEREMAKER wrote:

since I can't give him a +1, I'll give you one

Man, i was just gonna post this as i think he is absolutely spot on the ball.

+1 for beating me to it cougar.

AAFCptKabbom wrote:

I like to see him take CameronPooh out to the school yard for a good debeating!

The guy makes some good points and some poor points; I think you confuse me with somebody who doesn't think religion in general, including Islam, is archaic, quaint and should be a thing of the past...

On the poor points he makes:

- He's talking about a tiny minority of people. One would almost imagine that people are getting stoned to death and getting their hands chopped off on a daily basis in the UK. The fact of the matter is that the UK has a muslim population consituting 2.7% of the total population. If he thinks British society is too accommodating then he can vote someone into power who will be less accommodating. He strikes me as a bit of a scaredy cat who needs to get some pent up bigotry out of his system - would he say those things at Finsbury Park? His examples hold in shithole countries like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan but he is WAAAAaaayyy off the mark with how he is describing modern Britain. The British police have the situation well in hand when it comes to tiny minority shithead groups.

- With respect to the burka: if he was a Catholic would he like it if some jumped up piece of shit on a Youtube video was telling him that he is mentally insane and can basically fuck off and die for wearing a crucifix around his neck? He shows a considerable lack of maturity there which damages his arguments.

On the good points he makes:

- Islam is a young religion that is several centuries (perhaps millennia) behind Christianity in terms of enlightenment. They need to do some growing up. Women were just as entrapped and subdued in early Christianity and early Judaism (in some sects of Judaism still are) - the burka is just a symbol of how behind the times they are. It would be remarkable if all religions and cultures matured at the same pace in every corner of the fucking world at the same time.

- Tippy-toeing around your own beliefs and your own culture to cater for a minority is a disgrace and I abhorr it. You come to my country: you play by my rules - practice your religion on your own time and respect the rule of law in my country.

- There is a confusion between actual Islamophobia and genuine and warranted criticism of certain groups of muslims, he's spot on there. It's similar to anti-Zionists being labelled anti-semites.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-21 12:35:54)

" A chip on their shoulder the size of a mosque"

hahaha

Ridir wrote:

Religion gives people meaning Cameron, without it what would they live for and what would hold people back from doing horrible things to one another, knowing that sure they can be punished in this life once or twice but after they die nothing else can happen to them.

I don't think there is any point us getting into a religion argument. I respect your right to practice your religion within the confines of the law and you should respect my views/beliefs likewise as long as I'm not directly impinging on your life. I'm an atheist by the way. Raised Catholic. I have a moral code, my own moral code. The argument does exist that humans are inately 'moral' if one can be such a thing give that morality is a function of society/environment/social climate.

Shem wrote:

Ok.

Hes said everything I ever have wanted to say.

I love this man.

First wrote:

Shem wrote:

Ok.

Hes said everything I ever have wanted to say.

I love this man.

So true.

This guy's cool

bigotry poorly disguised as social comment by the use of long words.

CameronPoe wrote:

I don't think there is any point us getting into a religion argument. I respect your right to practice your religion within the confines of the law and you should respect my views/beliefs likewise as long as I'm not directly impinging on your life. I'm an atheist by the way. Raised Catholic. I have a moral code, my own moral code. The argument does exist that humans are inately 'moral' if one can be such a thing give that morality is a function of society/environment/social climate.

Not really trying for a debate, just saying its a good, well, (thinking of a good word here), crowd control?