yes, it upsets me. No, I do not get mad at the government for keeping them here. I get pissed at the fucking ragheads who keep killing our troops. And I'm tired of the media being all over the american deaths like flies on shit, but will not touch the progress made in iraq or the amount of work the iraqis are now doing themselves.
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Immune to reports of deaths in Iraq at this stage?
| Yes, the Iraq war is old news, I've become apathetic | 52% | 52% - 51 | ||||
| No | 16% | 16% - 16 | ||||
| Depends on the news item | 30% | 30% - 30 | ||||
| Total: 97 | ||||||
Which is it? 'Fucking Ragheads' or 'Iraqis'. Or are they both the same thing?G3|Genius wrote:
yes, it upsets me. No, I do not get mad at the government for keeping them here. I get pissed at the fucking ragheads who keep killing our troops. And I'm tired of the media being all over the american deaths like flies on shit, but will not touch the progress made in iraq or the amount of work the iraqis are now doing themselves.
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You want people to be honest. So cool it.CameronPoe wrote:
Which is it? 'Fucking Ragheads' or 'Iraqis'. Or are they both the same thing?
How does that question in any way warrant a "cool it"?usmarine2005 wrote:
You want people to be honest. So cool it.CameronPoe wrote:
Which is it? 'Fucking Ragheads' or 'Iraqis'. Or are they both the same thing?
Every death I see/read about is aweful! I feel terrible for the families, and the other soldiers who served with the guy(s) who died.
Same goes for the innocent Iraqi's who die just trying to live their lives. . . .Its sad to see tons of people getting slaughtered over a difference of opinion in their OWN religion.
Yes it has become common to see shitty news, but that doesnt mean I have become apathetic! I want us to fucking win over there! I want our media to stop reporting JUST the bad news, and report ALL the news over in Iraq. . . not just selected bullshit to please the left wing defeatist liberals who want us out!
Same goes for the innocent Iraqi's who die just trying to live their lives. . . .Its sad to see tons of people getting slaughtered over a difference of opinion in their OWN religion.
Yes it has become common to see shitty news, but that doesnt mean I have become apathetic! I want us to fucking win over there! I want our media to stop reporting JUST the bad news, and report ALL the news over in Iraq. . . not just selected bullshit to please the left wing defeatist liberals who want us out!
I had the opposite feeling. I really could give a damn how many of those Blackwater scum get killed and I have less and less respect for them (if that's possible) the more I read about them and how they conduct themselves. I feel a lot more for our regular soldiers and Iraqi civilians.Hurricane wrote:
Depends. If it is, say, something like when those Blackwater guys were dragged through the streets and burned alive, then it always makes me feel a little hit. Something like "Four soldiers killed in an ambush/IED/whatever" doesn't affect me though. I feel terrible for them, but I don't feel terrible myself.
GunSlinger, I'm against the idea of a draft for the simple reason that the people who would most be in need of getting their asses shot at on a daily basis would be the first ones getting deferments or assignments to stateside duty just like it was the last time we had a draft.
I know three people working in Iraq right now, two soldiers and a police training contractor. every time I hear about an American casualty I wonder if it's someone I know.
They are both indeed "Wars" however WW2 makes Iraq look like a picnic, and to say Iraq is equal to WW2 I would take offense toThe_Mac wrote:
They're both wars...aren't they?ghettoperson wrote:
You can't compare Iraq to WW2...Kmarion wrote:
Desensitisation no, my heart still sinks everytime. Surpsrised? Also no. With war comes death. If we lost 90,000 troops in one month I would then be surprised.
the ragheads are the bastards. The Iraqis are the honest citizens working to take their country back.
Cameron, you're so idealistic that you ask retarded questions to try to make a point when really, you know all along exactly what I meant.
Are you a raghead sympathiser?
Cameron, you're so idealistic that you ask retarded questions to try to make a point when really, you know all along exactly what I meant.
Are you a raghead sympathiser?
OK just clarifying. Would you regard this guy to be 'fucking raghead' (just out of interest)? He's an elected representative of the Shi'a population of Iraq who wants US troops out of his country.G3|Genius wrote:
the ragheads are the bastards. The Iraqis are the honest citizens working to take their country back.
Cameron, you're so idealistic that you ask retarded questions to try to make a point when really, you know all along exactly what I meant.
Are you a raghead sympathiser?
Not stating I'm a fan of his, just highlighting the fact that he's an Iraqi with a mandate and an interest in the direction his country is taking. He's quite popular I believe.
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When did he say "fucking Iraqis?" He didn't. He said fucking ragheads. A pretty cut and dry hones answer, just like what was asked of him.k30dxedle wrote:
How does that question in any way warrant a "cool it"?usmarine2005 wrote:
You want people to be honest. So cool it.CameronPoe wrote:
Which is it? 'Fucking Ragheads' or 'Iraqis'. Or are they both the same thing?
Maybe he just has a problem with people feeling such a strong need to dehumanize the "enemy".G3|Genius wrote:
the ragheads are the bastards. The Iraqis are the honest citizens working to take their country back.
Cameron, you're so idealistic that you ask retarded questions to try to make a point when really, you know all along exactly what I meant.
Are you a raghead sympathiser?
Video games have desensitized me on the subject of death/murder.
Stories affect me even less.
In war, soldiers are meant to die, it's not old news, but when I hear about mass numbers of people who died with not a single firearm in their hands, it just makes me frown.
Stories affect me even less.
In war, soldiers are meant to die, it's not old news, but when I hear about mass numbers of people who died with not a single firearm in their hands, it just makes me frown.
I'm somewhat desensitised to news reports and videos/jpegs. Actual blood and gore is another matter.
Al Sadr right? He looks like an overfed 17 year old who never saw a dentist, orthodontist, or shaving razor in his life...CameronPoe wrote:
OK just clarifying. Would you regard this guy to be 'fucking raghead' (just out of interest)? He's an elected representative of the Shi'a population of Iraq who wants US troops out of his country.G3|Genius wrote:
the ragheads are the bastards. The Iraqis are the honest citizens working to take their country back.
Cameron, you're so idealistic that you ask retarded questions to try to make a point when really, you know all along exactly what I meant.
Are you a raghead sympathiser?
http://www.doitforthestory.com/graphics … l-Sadr.jpg
Not stating I'm a fan of his, just highlighting the fact that he's an Iraqi with a mandate and an interest in the direction his country is taking. He's quite popular I believe.
I sure hope to hell that's sarcastic.S.Lythberg wrote:
One soldier dying makes me hate Iraqis even more (if possibe) but 138 civillians killed in a bombong is old news.....
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Not at all. Iraq was a war for a week or 3. Once the army had surrendered, it became, as Cam put it, a policing operation.XanKrieger wrote:
They are both indeed "Wars" however WW2 makes Iraq look like a picnic, and to say Iraq is equal to WW2 I would take offense toThe_Mac wrote:
They're both wars...aren't they?ghettoperson wrote:
You can't compare Iraq to WW2...
I opposed the invasion, but if you do it, you do it right. Otherwise you end up with another Somalia, and every pr!ck thinking you've lost your nerve for 10 years again.
Having said that, I don't know if the war is being fought the right way (even taking into account the certain media bias). Unfortunately, the US does not have a good history of winning insurgent wars. The US military tends to rely on overwhelming firepower, which produces a little too much collateral damage to allow the winning of hearts and minds. It is also interesting that a lot of senior brass with pretty good qualifications in counter insurgency have sounded off about some of the tactics. Same thing happened in Vietnam. From memory the Marines fought it their way, and worked OK. Apparently in the province the Australians had to look after the VC couldn't get any recruits after a while because they did such a good job (although US air power helped at times).
The draft wouldn't work for the reason given above. Those getting out would be the most deserving. Plus it would polarise the country even more.
And yeah the Democrats are copping out, but what do you expect. Deliver a sh!t sandwich to them and expect a Thank you? Bush spends 4 years fighting th e war the wrong way mostly, and whoever replaces him has to "fix' it. And when was the last time the mainstream US media conducted an analysis involving more than 2 sound bites or 5 syllables? The candidates are trying to sell it to the lowest common denominator, who ain't going to be thinking about it in depth like most people on this forum I am afraid.
And every time I see 50 or 70 Iraqis killed by a suicide bomb I cringe. Because if it was DC, London or Sydney it would be front page news for a month, but in Baghdad it's just another day ....
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Having said that, I don't know if the war is being fought the right way (even taking into account the certain media bias). Unfortunately, the US does not have a good history of winning insurgent wars. The US military tends to rely on overwhelming firepower, which produces a little too much collateral damage to allow the winning of hearts and minds. It is also interesting that a lot of senior brass with pretty good qualifications in counter insurgency have sounded off about some of the tactics. Same thing happened in Vietnam. From memory the Marines fought it their way, and worked OK. Apparently in the province the Australians had to look after the VC couldn't get any recruits after a while because they did such a good job (although US air power helped at times).
The draft wouldn't work for the reason given above. Those getting out would be the most deserving. Plus it would polarise the country even more.
And yeah the Democrats are copping out, but what do you expect. Deliver a sh!t sandwich to them and expect a Thank you? Bush spends 4 years fighting th e war the wrong way mostly, and whoever replaces him has to "fix' it. And when was the last time the mainstream US media conducted an analysis involving more than 2 sound bites or 5 syllables? The candidates are trying to sell it to the lowest common denominator, who ain't going to be thinking about it in depth like most people on this forum I am afraid.
And every time I see 50 or 70 Iraqis killed by a suicide bomb I cringe. Because if it was DC, London or Sydney it would be front page news for a month, but in Baghdad it's just another day ....
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It is tragic and indicative of society today that deaths in Iraq are now just numbers scrolling along the bottom of the screen. The deaths of soldiers invoke more attention from viewers in the West as we can identify with them more, i.e they are white and Western, but the poor Iraqis? ...Most Westerners simply are not as affected as much by their deaths. I mean what would the media frenzy be like if over 100 people died in a car bomb in Manhattan? Because that shit is happening every few days in Iraq but top of the news is the story of one little white girl who is missing in Portugal (a huge tragedy in it's own right but it illustrates my point).
Agreed. I really couldn't give a toss about PMC's. They shouldn't even exist imo. Just fucking mercs that do the dirty illegal stuff. No respect for me. Even if they are putting their life on the line it's for money and less about the principles.HunterOfSkulls wrote:
I had the opposite feeling. I really could give a damn how many of those Blackwater scum get killed and I have less and less respect for them (if that's possible) the more I read about them and how they conduct themselves. I feel a lot more for our regular soldiers and Iraqi civilians.Hurricane wrote:
Depends. If it is, say, something like when those Blackwater guys were dragged through the streets and burned alive, then it always makes me feel a little hit. Something like "Four soldiers killed in an ambush/IED/whatever" doesn't affect me though. I feel terrible for them, but I don't feel terrible myself.
I look at PMC's and i see them in the same light as the Insurgents. That's my opinion of them. I don't give a shit what nationality they are.
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i used to be concerned about things like that, now i have (how would i say this) learned to ignore/not care about it unless it is something major. even the friendly fire blunders dont bother me anymore because they were so common
Of course not.
It depends. I see an American soldier is killed in the headlines. In small print it says that over 20 Iraqi civilians are killed. It does not so much aggravate me that people are being killed as the mere insult that that presents to Iraq, and how it makes 1 American soldier worth more than 20 Iraqi civilians. Guess what? The American soldier enlisted and probably died in battle. The Iraqi civilians, on the other hand, were probably just trying to live their lives.
It furthermore pisses me off that some people in Iraq (ie insurgents) simply won't let Iraq recuperate into a stable country again. The worst thing about it is that most of the insurgents are from outside of Iraq, and the Iraqi civilians get the blame for their actions.
It shocks me how much less people care about the Iraqis than the Americans. "scum" indeed...
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It furthermore pisses me off that some people in Iraq (ie insurgents) simply won't let Iraq recuperate into a stable country again. The worst thing about it is that most of the insurgents are from outside of Iraq, and the Iraqi civilians get the blame for their actions.
It shocks me how much less people care about the Iraqis than the Americans. "scum" indeed...
-konfusion
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