Sud
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I don't know if medics get some kind of reduced hitpoints or negative armor or something, but I am getting seriously sick of a double standard I'm continuously subjected to when playing.

You see, I die in 1 bullet. Yep, just 1. In 90% of gun battles I get into, if I get struck by something, my health is instantly from %100 to dead. 1 hit.

This odd situation never actually works FOR me on the flip side, though. I'm using the special forces unlock for medic, which is probably the best assault rifle in the game, but EVERY person I kill will die to NO LESS than three triples of it. Sometimes I have to land 5-6 of them.

Even against unarmored classes. For example, I spawn fragged a special forces today. Special forces are supposed to be an unarmored class too, right? Apparently not. He took 4 triples of a 32 damage gun (96 damage a triple) to kill. Nothing missed, it was short range execution style to the back of the head. What the hell is going on here?

I get into countless situations where I'll round a corner, and an enemy support will come running around the corner, and having faster reaction speed, I hit him with 3 triples, where upon he flops prone, fires his PKM once, and I'm dead. What? I land 3 triples right in his face, and he kills me in 1 bullet?

At long range I get similar results. I'll nail the guy for at least 4 confirmations, on a prone player (this should be a high chance for a HS), nope, 1 bullet comes back my way, dead.

Because of this garbage, I've had to completely modify my playstyle to work around this stupid double standard. Basically I look for situations where I'm not going to be fired back upon. It works fairly well, but I'd be much more capable if I didn't have to run around pretending to play rainbow bloody 6.

Between that, the heat seeking artillery, and the constant 4on1s I'm forced to fight due to inept teams, it really screws up the K.
chuyskywalker
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+2,439|6847|"Frisco"

I hardly ever encounter this -- except with that fucking SCAR-H. Always killing the crap outta me super instantly.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6773|Noizyland

I've never encountered this except when people n00b-t00b me. You don't hear a shot yet you're dead. Maybe you're just unlucky, or your gun sights arn't lined up or countess outher lame explinations that I can come up with.
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Sud
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my aim is very good. I'm talking situations where I don't miss a single shot. You can see every bullet puffing on the guy being hit. It's not simply luck, because luck doesn't happen 90+% of the time. It's as if I take twice the damage while only dealing half, like some kind of handicap mode is enabled or something.

As a contrast, I go support, and can kill the same people in 3 hits of PKM. But they won't die to 3 TRIPLES of G36E? What the HELL?

I outfight ALL of these situations too. It's literally "two triples to the face, oh I die in 1 returned bullet", "3 triples on that support, oh he flops on the ground and i die to 1 PKM hit", "just landed 2 long distance triples at super long range on that guy who's holding down his AK101 fire button, oh I just took a hit, dead"

Like I say, it's a complete double standard. I'm starting to become reliant on hand grenades as a main weapon because of this BS

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-09 20:30:38)

=DS=Unit92
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I get this a lot two. I don't know how someone would be able to dolphin dive just as I put 6 rounds of any caliber weapon into his chest, even if he had armour, and still be able to squeeze off an accurate headshot.

I have tonnes of America's Army experience that hinders me, I aim for the chest because in that game no matter what, three to the chest or one to the head is death and since you pull up and to the right if you start at his shoulder you'll almost always hit the head with the second or third bullet. In BF2 it doesn't work that way, I put three in the chest and it's three in the chest, which is apperantly not my enemies' weak point. It must be their toes.

Last edited by =DS=Unit92 (2005-12-09 21:20:35)

dshak
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+4|6812
6% accuracy on one account, 17% accuracy on the other.... first of all your aim isn't good at all. secondly, yeah, you finally figured it out, the game has some sort of double standard against you... haha

Last edited by dshak (2005-12-09 23:02:55)

DeltaForceWarrior
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+1|6763
i feel ya Sud. nothing like seeing your enemy's head bouncing back numerous times because you're giving him a headshot and then he still kills you

Last edited by DeltaForceWarrior (2005-12-12 00:30:07)

DUFFKING
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+3|6757|Brixham, UK
I've noticed this as a medic too... I was up on the bank as a medic on Sharqui, on the north side of the city entrance. Player comes through alleyway, hit him about 3-4 times with single shot, he goes prone and kills me with one shot from his AK101.
Dr_3V|L
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+51|6724|Twente, The Netherlands
Don't you think this is all about the ping or something? I had this a few times too, but only when my ping was 200+.

(Just subscribed to this forum, nice site)
Smally85
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+0|6725|Plymouth UK

S=Unit92 wrote:

I get this a lot two. I don't know how someone would be able to dolphin dive just as I put 6 rounds of any caliber weapon into his chest, even if he had armour, and still be able to squeeze off an accurate headshot.

I have tonnes of America's Army experience that hinders me, I aim for the chest because in that game no matter what, three to the chest or one to the head is death and since you pull up and to the right if you start at his shoulder you'll almost always hit the head with the second or third bullet. In BF2 it doesn't work that way, I put three in the chest and it's three in the chest, which is apperantly not my enemies' weak point. It must be their toes.
The Heel shoot for the Heel, it worked back in ancient greece....

Oh and to answer the orignal post "6% accuracy on one account, 17% accuracy on the other" says it all really. You ain't hitting them every time. Those three shots that hit your enemy are probably only one if you are lucky, then he turns around and shoots you in the face... down you go.
Sud
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+0|6746
The accuracy scores aren't accurate for my accounts though. I often just fire at nothing when bored or just walking from one place to the other.

The accuracy argument isn't accurate either simply because I'm talking about situations where I can see bullets hitting them, and can see the little confirmation graphic you get on your crosshair when you land a hit. I have good accuracy when I need to, which is why I have as decent a K : D as I do.

I don't experience this when I play support - maybe it's a medic thing? When I play support people drop to like 3 hits, and (probably armor), I can actually take a few hits too (the one bullet thing is reserved for true headshots).

Anyone have any of the hard information on whether this game has true damage to body scoring and how much damage armor blocks? A lot of this game's details seem enigmatic.

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-10 09:26:43)

Deedubya
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+-2|6801|The Seventh Circle of Hell
The main question I have is does this happen ONLY when you'er a medic using the G36E? Or does it happen with all other classes/guns? How about using the L85A1? Do you encounter the same problem? If this only happens with the one gun, quit using it. If it happens all the time, then I would have to say it's the latency between you and the other players. Even though you're laying into them, they may not really be there, and the whole time they're plugging away at you, only to have your computer catch up and bam, you're dead. It happens a lot between two people, one who is using dial-up, the other using some form of broadband. Since the broadband connection is faster, they "see" you first, and the dial-up user doesn't "see" them until it's too late. I dunno...
=NAA=TheTaxidermist
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+6|6733|In a van down by the river
I think when you are in a firefight and you get hit, your accuracy should go down so that the person who gets the first hit has the best chance to survive.  It would get rid of this crap where you stick half a clip into someones chest and they kill you with two or three shots.  Now here is a question.  Lets say your driving a humvee full speed down a street and somebody throws a c4 on your side while you are going full speed, shouldn't the c4 just bounce off and not manage to stick?  It doesn't make any sense. 

Oh and to the poster above me, you can't play bf2 with dial-up...

Last edited by =NAA=TheTaxidermist (2005-12-10 11:36:26)

notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6746|The United Center
so then dont play.

DICE is not out to get you.  its either all in your head, youre lying, or youre just wrong.

i know sometimes it seems like it takes more shots to kill someone else, but its not.  either youre not landing your shots, youre not hitting the right places, or youre lying...simple as that.  it could also be lag.  it looks like  youre landing your shots when youre really not.

either way there is no damage double standard.  youre not doing half as much damage and theyre not doing twice as much.
IC_Draconis
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+9|6717

Dr_3V|L wrote:

Don't you think this is all about the ping or something? I had this a few times too, but only when my ping was 200+.

(Just subscribed to this forum, nice site)
It's definitely because of high ping.

Most of his bullets never land on the actual enemy...just he sees so.
Dr_3V|L
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+51|6724|Twente, The Netherlands
If you have a high ping on a server and you shoot someone, you can see the dust coming of his body when you hit him. But you cant see the cross that verifys you did damage to him.
The only thing to do then is to find a server with ping beneath 150, or stop downloading porn.
starman7
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There is no double damage standard.  You're either lagging, you're missing, or you're lying, because the game does not go in favor of anyone.  A total smacktard deals just as much damage as the l337 (non-hacking) uber who has a 15-1 k:d ratio who is feared everywhere.

Last edited by starman7 (2005-12-10 12:50:50)

bmyerz85
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PKM does seem to take me from 100 health to 0 in what seems like an instant... its annoying
Sud
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The main question I have is does this happen ONLY when you'er a medic using the G36E? Or does it happen with all other classes/guns? How about using the L85A1? Do you encounter the same problem?
Good point. With M16 I had pretty much the same thing, but it is expected because the M16 is less powerful and accurate, so as many hits were not going to land. That being said, I can't accurately speak on the L85A1. I compared it more to the AK101, but as far as its performance went, I would literally be lucky if a clip actually killed someone. I was often going to pistol to finish up people with that one. AK101 seemed to perform correctly. 3-7 shots (3 for unarmored), which was about right. In all cases with all weapons on medic I've experienced the insta-death syndrome. I wish there was more quantitative information on hit detection possibly doing different damages, and how much armor factors into it. It's very hard to provide anything more than heresay without some numbers to look at to solidify it.

If it happens all the time, then I would have to say it's the latency between you and the other players.
This is possible, as I've been in situations playing with friends where I would shoot a tank shell at them, and nothing would happen. Asking them what's up, they say I never actually fired anything at them. However, it is still happening after recently replacing my cablemodem, which has boosted the performance of my connect to a very stable 4000kb/s down and 100kb/s up. It doesn't seem to be as simple as a gun change as it is a class change - I go support, issue disappears. PKM kills in 3 hits, and I can actually take some beatings. It's actually unexpected to live through an encounter and actually have to go search for some medic bags - as medic, I'm either winning a fight with %100 health, or dying.

Maybe more information will show itself. Anyone fight a lot of medics in their experience? I can't really think of the last time I encountered a medic who tanked a lot of damage.
divided
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+3|6772
One guy took 5 triples from my G36E eariler today, and then he started bunny hopping around with his pkm and killed me.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|6754|United States of America

bmyerz85 wrote:

PKM does seem to take me from 100 health to 0 in what seems like an instant... its annoying
The way i see it is like this, the svd and type 88 snipers deal out 45 damage per hit right? Thats just as powerful as the pkm, and if the snipers can kill with one headshot why cant the pkm. Whereas the g36e is only 32 damage per hit, there is a difference between the guns.  I dont use the pkm anymore (its too inaccurate!) So i use the MG46 and its all easy.  No idea why that happens, but just lettin in on it.  And the bunny hopping just helps with the lucky shots, i do it whenever i have the pkm. It always lands me the luckiest shots.

Last edited by Miller (2005-12-10 20:12:12)

Xponential
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When you're close enough to reach out and touch him and you have to pump that many rounds into him to drop him, it's definitely lag.  If you play on servers where you have a high ping, quite a few of your shots won't register.  You need to make sure you're playing on servers that you have a consistently lower ping on.

All the other times, it doesn't look like you're that good of a shot.  Work on your accuracy more.  In this game (just like CS), you need to compensate for the recoil of the weapon if you want to hit more consistently.
batman_psu
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the ak101 is the bane of my existence.  it seems like I die of fright just looking at the thing
nating75
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+0|6776
Sud,

I can't believe it took you so long to realize with a k/d like yours. The best way to stay alive is to not get in front of an enemy muzzle. It took me around 30 hours before I figured out that some people in this game are damn good. I now stay alive (even as a spec op with no armor, no health packs to help) by only taking clean shots where I can put people down before they can reach cover. Playing hide and go seek or going head to head in this game is risky ,even with armor, and even if you do out smart someone you can still get dropped by one or two "lucky" shots.

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