BF2S Forums Peter Pace: 'Iran government prob not involved in Iraqi insurgency'

I believe the worlds population should be made to do a mandatory study course on semiotics. The worlds news media have started to push the envelope in recent years with what they attempt to pass off as actual news and the whole value system that we apply to news items has been eroded. Does anybody out there remember the days when a news flash was something so important that the program you were watching would be interrupted to give it coverage? Turn on Sky News (just one example i could have used) these days and apparently everything is a 'NEWS ALERT'. 24hour news has led to news stations having to constantly recycle news items on an hourly basis and with so many news stations out there these stations have had to engage in ratings wars similar to that of commercial entertainment stations. News has become another form of entertainment, this is profoundly wrong as this concept of news gives birth to the need to sensationalise stories and with sensationalism you lose balance and objectivity.

I highly recommend to any US citizens out here who defend FOX news and regard it as 'fair and balanced' to watch the documentary movie 'Outfoxed' (IMDB URL: http://imdb.com/title/tt0418038/), it contains interviews with former employees of FOX news and points out some of the unethical strategies they employ in their presentation of the news e.g.

Oliver Burkeman in New York
Monday October 4, 2004
The Guardian...

Fox News Apologises For Kerry Fabrication:

Fox News, the influential right-wing US television network, said yesterday it had "reprimanded" its chief political correspondent after its website carried fabricated quotes attributed to John Kerry, in which he called himself a "metrosexual" who enjoys getting manicures.

The network, owned by Rupert Murdoch, apologised for the article in which the Democratic challenger was quoted telling a rally in Florida: "Didn't my nails and cuticles look great? What a good debate!" Comparing himself to the president, Mr Kerry was supposed to have said: "I'm metrosexual - he's a cowboy." Women voters, he purportedly added, "should like me! I do manicures."

The article appeared under the byline of Carl Cameron, who has been following Mr Kerry on the campaign trail. It had been posted on the site, the network said in a statement, because of "fatigue and bad judgment, rather than malice."

link to above news item: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections20 … 75,00.html

Kmarion wrote:

Prior to the build up to the Iraq war did you hear numerous times the President, Vice president, Secretary of Defense, and Secretary of the State all come out and tell the world we were not planning to attack Iraq ?

Braddock I think you will find it very hard to find many Americans who consider FoxNews balanced, no matter what their leaning is.

Remember when they were moving the American Military command centre half way round the world  to  the ME for "training purposes" prior to the Iraq invasion.. lol aye riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..

CameronPoe wrote:

Peter Pace wrote:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace appeared Tuesday to question Bush administration assertions that the Iranian government is supplying weapons to Shiite militant groups in Iraq.

"We know that the explosively formed penetrators are manufactured in Iran," Pace told Voice of America during a trip to Australia about what senior military officials call EFPs.

"What I would not say is that the Iranian government per se knows about this. It is clear that Iranians are involved and it is clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say, based on what I know, that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit," Pace said.

There has been an inordinate amount of anti-Iran rhetoric and war rhetoric, reminiscent of the build up to the Iraq war, out of the whitehouse recently. Typical ratcheting up of the tension through lame 'reasons to invade': 'Hey look I have a vial of anthrax!'. Wow! Iranian elements are more than likely involved in violence in Iraq but the Iranian government knows better than to hand the US a reason to attack them: the Iranian government probably have NOTHING to do with the insurgency. That won't stop the US from trying to dupe the American public into supporting Bush engaging in another military folly however. Be vigilant America: watch your media carefully. Listen to voices of reason: Israel wants the US to do their dirty work - are you prepared to unleash a world of carnage because some siege mentality malcontents own your politicians and your media?

GG Peter Pace for cutting through the fog of propaganda and stating clearly that there is NO concrete knowledge of the rather dubious connection between the Iranian government and the Iraqi insurgency.

PS Latest whitehouse-invented story: 'Sadr flees to Iran' - since refuted. Propaganda drives me nuts. Create enough tenuous, subtle associations between Iran and 'the insurgency' or 'the war on terror' and hey presto the American public will buy into war.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6360469.stm

I can't say that Iran is actively helping Shiite terrorists get weapons, but I find it hard to believe that the Iranians have found explosives more than once being smuggled into Iraq and not figured that something's going on. Besides, we are not going to invade Iran. Every general will be dead set against it and Bush will find himself powerless if he pushes for an attack. Of course you have to bring up some kind of evil secret Jewish conspiracy that supposedly controls America (but liberals are totally not anti-Semite, oh no).

And I haven't found anything refuting Sadr's flight except (surprise) his own people, so I'll wait and see before making any judgment, though I doubt Iran would really want him right now. That'd be like accepting Osama bin Laden openly into the country.

If Muqtada actually fled, this is a good thing.  It would be very ironic if the actual surge caused this effect to spread, but I'm not getting my hopes up on that one.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Listen to voices of reason: Israel wants the US to do their dirty work - are you prepared to unleash a world of carnage because some siege mentality malcontents own your politicians and your media?

We don't actually need help from Israel to get people over in the middle east to burn our flag and shout 'DEATH TO AMERICA!'

Touche'...   Yet, one has to ask why some people would do that in the first place....

Could it partially be because of our long history of aid to Israel?

I'm not saying the reactions of these people are justified, but extremism doesn't occur in a political vacuum.

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Listen to voices of reason: Israel wants the US to do their dirty work - are you prepared to unleash a world of carnage because some siege mentality malcontents own your politicians and your media?

We don't actually need help from Israel to get people over in the middle east to burn our flag and shout 'DEATH TO AMERICA!'

Touche'...   Yet, one has to ask why some people would do that in the first place....

Could it partially be because of our long history of aid to Israel?

I'm not saying the reactions of these people are justified, but extremism doesn't occur in a political vacuum.

It would be interesting to see if they bought AMD products to avoid Jew-supporting Intel CPU's...beautiful.

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Consider; the borders over there really don't mean much. They are lines mostly drawn by Western powers that paid no attention to how things were.
I see folly in trying to stick with them at this point.

Iran is neck deep in Iraq, I just am having a hard time getting excited about it anymore.



It's not like we have brilliant leadership or even a good president. I don't like the way the 400 billion in war cost is not counted in the budget. There is no General Patton.




Social Security is a house of cards, our border is a smokey illusion.


Fuck it, we've lost there and there are different ways to maintain military supremacy. Lets worry about space and China. Robotic technology.


We could've won if the Democrats weren't so eager to see failure laid at a  Republicans feet. We can beat the terrorist but we can't beat the media.

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im not a fan of perter pace.  he was one of rumsfields yes men.  im surprised to hear him say this going against what the civilian arm of authority is saying about iran.  then again, rummy is gone, pace doesnt have to worry about papa don anymore.

ATG wrote:

We could've won if the Democrats weren't so eager to see failure laid at a  Republicans feet. We can beat the terrorist but we can't beat the media.

...or perhaps, you can't beat reality.  More than just Democrats want us out of Iraq.  More and more Republicans and independents are speaking out, and it's because of more than just the media.  It's because of humungous debts.

$400 billion can be spent in much better ways than towards a chaotic hellhole like Iraq.

Or you could have just not invaded in the first place.  Then you wouldn't have a problem.

He is obviously wrong. My figures show otherwise...lol
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=63736

Not to mention
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=60954

Ridir wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

$400 billion can be spent in much better ways than towards a chaotic hellhole like Iraq.

True.  But the alternative is to give Iran and terrorism complete control of that region.  I don't think anyone is signing up for that anytime soon.

yea I would really rather not give them the region thereby giving them more power, production capability, workers, and soldiers.  Because in 10 years if this job isn't done right the US military will be right back in the Middle East.

Anything is possible, but you're basically assuming that Iran can somehow magically accomplish what we can't: order in Iraq.

We have the world's best military, and if we can't do it, I think Iran would definitely have some problems with it as well.  In 10 years, it might be even more chaotic than it is now, with or without us.

I'm suggesting that Iraq is an unnecessary drain on our funds and military.  We've tried to work things out, but the last few years have shown just how futile this operation really is.