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CameronPoe wrote:

LOL. Are you going to continue completely disregarding the balance of military and economic power in the world for much longer? The west is light years ahead of them and they will never catch up so if they do actually try something we will ANNIHILATE them - regardless of civilian casualties. People have serious issues  regarding reality on this forum.

Isn't hard to make a really big dirty bomb.  You should eat your words on the whole reality thing.  I think i live in the reality and you have horse blinders on.  B/c you hate Israel.

Last edited by Colfax (2007-01-26 14:35:34)

Not to mention I saw it happen on 24. It must be possible .

The last "premptive strike" didn't go so well so no.

CameronPoe wrote:

iamangry wrote:

Yah, and nukes can hit us here EASILY.  Our reporters have smuggled all sorts of junk into our country just to show it can be done, and the NY Times probably has a guide for it somewhere.  What you don't seem to understand about reality my Irish friend, is that the world runs off of oil.  It's not like sweets, more like water. 
And why would I want to stick up for the school bully?  Because nothing the school bully has done warrants his annihilation.  Maybe a swift kick to the butt, but not having his brains splattered all over the people next to him... just like the fallout from a nuclear detonation.

Well there's your problem right there. Oil. Fucking typical. Why not just let them do what they want with their oil - it's THEIRS. Fucking imperialism.

The nukes can be avoided with a missile shield btw....

Fact:  The American oil companies are not allowed to deal with Iran, it is illegal.  The same was the case with Iraq before 2003.  Sanctions made by the UN did not allow anyone to buy oil from Iraq outside of the oil for food program... but I believe there has been documented proof that the nations of France, Germany, and Russia all went around sanctions.  We need oil, that's right, but we aren't imperial about it.  Hell, we REFUSE to take it from Iran.  So they can do what they want with their oil, and if they choose to sell it to us, we still won't buy it. 

The world isn't some fucking RPG, where if you have the "Nuke Shield" you are invulnerable to nukes.  No Poe, this is real life.  First off, America's missile shield isn't complete.  Second, neither the Iranians nor the North Koreans have intercontinental range missiles... yet.  Third, nukes can be delivered in many more ways than by missile.  Nukes can come in container ships, right up next to any major port city, and detonate before even being offloaded.  Nukes can come through our insecure borders.  Nukes could even be brought in by cargo plane.  It's not missiles I'm worried about, it's some crazy Hezbollah suicide trooper bringing a Nuke here and sending 100k of my people to their deaths in an instant.  It's a small world, made even smaller by modern transportation.  Think 10k miles is a lot?  BULLSHIT.  That's less than a day's travel time by plane, and only a couple weeks by boat.

iamangry wrote:

Fact:  The American oil companies are not allowed to deal with Iran, it is illegal.  The same was the case with Iraq before 2003.  Sanctions made by the UN did not allow anyone to buy oil from Iraq outside of the oil for food program... but I believe there has been documented proof that the nations of France, Germany, and Russia all went around sanctions.  We need oil, that's right, but we aren't imperial about it.  Hell, we REFUSE to take it from Iran.  So they can do what they want with their oil, and if they choose to sell it to us, we still won't buy it.

The fact of the matter is that France, Germany and Russia had one up on America with respect to Iraqi oil and they didn't like it one bit - one of the contirbutory factors towards toppling the Saddam regime. The WMD argument was a fucking smokescreen. Hans Blix, a relatively honourable man, repeatedly stated that the American allegations were unfounded. America needs oil but they don't buy from Iran you're right - but influence over oil is what global power is all about these days. If you don't control the oil you are 'weak' - hence USA freaking out over the fact that OPEC members are going to start trading oil in euros - further fucking the US economy. Read a history of Iran in the 20th century. The US practically controlled Iranian oil between WWII and the Islamic revolution, before that it was the Brits and the Russians. This is all just one big power merry-go-round. The US wants their oil back. The fact that Iran are openly threatening their allies, state terrorists Israel, is making the whole idea of action against Iran easier to sell.

iamangry wrote:

The world isn't some fucking RPG, where if you have the "Nuke Shield" you are invulnerable to nukes.  No Poe, this is real life.  First off, America's missile shield isn't complete.  Second, neither the Iranians nor the North Koreans have intercontinental range missiles... yet.  Third, nukes can be delivered in many more ways than by missile.  Nukes can come in container ships, right up next to any major port city, and detonate before even being offloaded.  Nukes can come through our insecure borders.  Nukes could even be brought in by cargo plane.  It's not missiles I'm worried about, it's some crazy Hezbollah suicide trooper bringing a Nuke here and sending 100k of my people to their deaths in an instant.  It's a small world, made even smaller by modern transportation.  Think 10k miles is a lot?  BULLSHIT.  That's less than a day's travel time by plane, and only a couple weeks by boat.

Yes - correct - the Iranians do not have ICBMs. Destroying the nation of Iran is not going to stop the types of nuclear threats you talk of: there is enough weapons grade nuclear material on ex-soviet black markets to take out the entire eastern seaboard of America. Iran aren't going to offload nuclear material to ragtag terrorists or the same fate might befall them as the US in Afghanistan (arm people who then decide they want to turn on you). You talk of plane-borne weapons: isn't your airforce supposed to able to deal with that? I thought you guys learned not to fall asleep at the radar screen after Pearl Harbour? Boat-borne weapons: the navy? The port authority? Proper domestic security? Dirty bombs are far less serious than people make out anyway - it's just a like a normal bomb (small enough blast radius) - it just has nuclear material surrounding it: the damage radius would be relatively small and easy to clean up.

All of what you mentioned can be combatted through diligence and proper domestic security, contingency planning and well trained defence forces.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-26 16:19:39)

iamangry wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

iamangry wrote:

Yah, and nukes can hit us here EASILY.  Our reporters have smuggled all sorts of junk into our country just to show it can be done, and the NY Times probably has a guide for it somewhere.  What you don't seem to understand about reality my Irish friend, is that the world runs off of oil.  It's not like sweets, more like water. 
And why would I want to stick up for the school bully?  Because nothing the school bully has done warrants his annihilation.  Maybe a swift kick to the butt, but not having his brains splattered all over the people next to him... just like the fallout from a nuclear detonation.

Well there's your problem right there. Oil. Fucking typical. Why not just let them do what they want with their oil - it's THEIRS. Fucking imperialism.

The nukes can be avoided with a missile shield btw....

Fact:  The American oil companies are not allowed to deal with Iran, it is illegal.  The same was the case with Iraq before 2003.  Sanctions made by the UN did not allow anyone to buy oil from Iraq outside of the oil for food program... but I believe there has been documented proof that the nations of France, Germany, and Russia all went around sanctions.  We need oil, that's right, but we aren't imperial about it.  Hell, we REFUSE to take it from Iran.  So they can do what they want with their oil, and if they choose to sell it to us, we still won't buy it. 

The world isn't some fucking RPG, where if you have the "Nuke Shield" you are invulnerable to nukes.  No Poe, this is real life.  First off, America's missile shield isn't complete.  Second, neither the Iranians nor the North Koreans have intercontinental range missiles... yet.  Third, nukes can be delivered in many more ways than by missile.  Nukes can come in container ships, right up next to any major port city, and detonate before even being offloaded.  Nukes can come through our insecure borders.  Nukes could even be brought in by cargo plane.  It's not missiles I'm worried about, it's some crazy Hezbollah suicide trooper bringing a Nuke here and sending 100k of my people to their deaths in an instant.  It's a small world, made even smaller by modern transportation.  Think 10k miles is a lot?  BULLSHIT.  That's less than a day's travel time by plane, and only a couple weeks by boat.

Fact: American oil companies are allowed to deal with Iraq once it had been taken over.  I don't see why it cant be the same for Iran.  You're on your moral high horse when your not friends, but immediatly dismount once you have complete access.  Give me a break.  Want me to too conclude the whole Iraq fuck up in a sentence?  Oil Nazis ensuring Americas long term supply of oil.

Life isn't no RPG correct, but the the fact is your borders are porous, and no one gives a fuck.  Billion of dollars are spent on your security forces but they are incompetent.  You have spy satellites which can zoom in on a flys butt somewhere in the serengeti but you'll have a problem identify the nutjobs that are importing nukes.  You use the process of rendition to extract information form suspects but you're still clueless.  Yes its a global village, but that no excuse in the failure to secure the safety of your people.

I've never felt threatened by Iran, or Iraq.  Actually we seem to get on better with the rest of the ME than we do Israel...

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Iran is being naughty so what should we do? Do we put the foot down now through negotiation or even force? Or do we sit back and let them build up nuclear arms while the world is preoccupied with Iraq? Discuss.

Just a thought :

Imagine (really, try) that you live in a country that is being marked as a threat by another country, that :
a - is the only country that actually killed people with nuclear weapons
b - invaded quite some countries in the last 10 years.
c - is threatening your country for questionable reasons ( WMD's anyone? ) while totally ignoring every diplomatic effort made my your country?

... and i saved the best for last : your country is being accused of producing nukes ... by the world's largest nuclear power.

Yay, I love analogies.

Imagine standing in a room with a bunch of guns pointed at you. You see a gun on the table across the room. Do you really run for the other gun? But wait Iran only wants nuclear technology for A New Holocaust Peaceful purposes.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-26 18:30:03)

We will not invade Iran. Saudi Arabia is on the way to crush them financially. Iran is already on the verge of a proxy war with the Saudi's .

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-26 18:41:52)

Absolutely NOT! We have our hands full already with Iraq and Afghanistan. I used to support Bush especially with all the patriotic fever 911 stirred in me. Now I still support our troops 100%, bring em home and lets shore up the home front.

I fully understand those who say if we leave without securing the peace and stability of Iraq we will have created a haven for our enemies...but what do we do? stay there killing, dieing and wasting money on a cause that can't be won? There will never be an end to the extremist streaming into Iraq as long as we are there...even 100 years from now or forever.

As far as Afghanistan goes there still may be hope there...

Iran says they don't have or want nuclear weapons and nobody believes them

Israel says they don't have or want nuclear weapons and everybody believes them

iamangry wrote:

The world isn't some fucking RPG, where if you have the "Nuke Shield" you are invulnerable to nukes.  No Poe, this is real life.  First off, America's missile shield isn't complete.  Second, neither the Iranians nor the North Koreans have intercontinental range missiles... yet.  Third, nukes can be delivered in many more ways than by missile.  Nukes can come in container ships, right up next to any major port city, and detonate before even being offloaded.  Nukes can come through our insecure borders.  Nukes could even be brought in by cargo plane.  It's not missiles I'm worried about, it's some crazy Hezbollah suicide trooper bringing a Nuke here and sending 100k of my people to their deaths in an instant.  It's a small world, made even smaller by modern transportation.  Think 10k miles is a lot?  BULLSHIT.  That's less than a day's travel time by plane, and only a couple weeks by boat.

How do you suggest someone could smuggle a lead box that big into the country wihout a corrupt customs to bribe? Uranium has to be transported in LEAD. Lots of LEAD. Lead is HEAVY. Not exactly incon-fucking-spicuous.