Hate to say it mate, but you americans are hypocritical and never look outside your own country, soon someones gonna bite you in the ass, and america is going to regret its cocky attitude.
Wrong and oh wrong aircraft models and designs are updated the F15 released 30 years ago is a lot more different from the one flying now. Did I say the F16 was the best jet no? But here you make yourself fail M-U-L-T-I R-O-L-E it can destroy air targets and attack the ground. It is still a FIGHTER aircraft not a BOMBER aircraft there is your difference. So hey you fail at proper discussion.Commie Killer wrote:
Well considering the Eurofighter is close to 7 years old compared to the F15 which is over 30 years old.....you fail.....also considering the F16 is not a air superiority fighter but a multi role cheaply produced aircraft you fail times 2.spray_and_pray wrote:
You do know that the Eurofighter outclasses a F15 currently the US's best jet that and the F16.
As for the person regarding stealth capabilities. One word Plasma, the aircraft is being actively produced with Mikoyan and China, Russia has a stealth technology of its own which beats reflective stealth which is highly flawed. Plasma works on dissipating the signal instead of reflecting it. Plasma stealth technology has so far already been succesfully tested with some minor flaws which have been taken down to one now. That flaw is causing the aircrafts own radar to malfunction that as itself would be proof enough that it works. This is a minor setback and easy to fix. Don't thing it wont be ready by the time the Super 10 gets into prodcution.
For those arguing for the F35 I wouldn't bet on it stealth technology you haven't heard of Russia's SA-400 anti stealth missles. Enjoy them anyway, not to forget the F117 that was shot down with an SA-3 and a commander who kept on switching on and off his radar to get a signal.
Oh and I guess those arguing against plasma stealth havent seen the drawing board designs for the Super 10.
http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1221/j127hs.jpg
They have already finished outside design on it.
That is the stealth version of the super 10 no cannards. Its also a delta wing design, for whoever asked I beleive delta wing gliders need cannards.
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As far as the plasma technology, the U.S. has also been researching this, and can be applied to our aircraft as well. All it is is a generator, it has nothing to do with the design of the aircraft. Imagine the R.C.S. on an F-35, with both technologies.
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No but the super 10 will be able to use both reflective and plasma stealth technology.nlsme wrote:
As far as the plasma technology, the U.S. has also been researching this, and can be applied to our aircraft as well. All it is is a generator, it has nothing to do with the design of the aircraft. Imagine the R.C.S. on an F-35, with both technologies.
Plasma technology is really something to be excited about in aeronautics terms. Not only can it provide a stealthy blanket but it can also improve the aerodynamics of a plane. Plasma on an F-22 would be unbeatable (if it is possible to use plasma on the F-22, which I'm sure the air force has already thought about).
Spray_and_Pray: Before you go tooting your /fail horn please take into consideration that commie killer's statement was entirely true. The F-15 is a 30 year old aircraft. The improvements you are speaking of relate to guidance and weapons systems. Minor work has been done to the aircraft's frame and shape. The j-10 and soon to be Super-10 are very new aircraft that are, just now, 30 years after the F-15's introduction, proving to be better planes. In the kindest, most respectable way, I wish to say that you need to think a bit more throughly about what your typing when it comes to aircraft.
Spray_and_Pray: Before you go tooting your /fail horn please take into consideration that commie killer's statement was entirely true. The F-15 is a 30 year old aircraft. The improvements you are speaking of relate to guidance and weapons systems. Minor work has been done to the aircraft's frame and shape. The j-10 and soon to be Super-10 are very new aircraft that are, just now, 30 years after the F-15's introduction, proving to be better planes. In the kindest, most respectable way, I wish to say that you need to think a bit more throughly about what your typing when it comes to aircraft.
Wow your on the desgin team for the plane??? You know what its going to be able to do??spray_and_pray wrote:
Wrong and oh wrong aircraft models and designs are updated the F15 released 30 years ago is a lot more different from the one flying now. Did I say the F16 was the best jet no? But here you make yourself fail M-U-L-T-I R-O-L-E it can destroy air targets and attack the ground. It is still a FIGHTER aircraft not a BOMBER aircraft there is your difference. So hey you fail at proper discussion.Commie Killer wrote:
Well considering the Eurofighter is close to 7 years old compared to the F15 which is over 30 years old.....you fail.....also considering the F16 is not a air superiority fighter but a multi role cheaply produced aircraft you fail times 2.spray_and_pray wrote:
You do know that the Eurofighter outclasses a F15 currently the US's best jet that and the F16.
As for the person regarding stealth capabilities. One word Plasma, the aircraft is being actively produced with Mikoyan and China, Russia has a stealth technology of its own which beats reflective stealth which is highly flawed. Plasma works on dissipating the signal instead of reflecting it. Plasma stealth technology has so far already been succesfully tested with some minor flaws which have been taken down to one now. That flaw is causing the aircrafts own radar to malfunction that as itself would be proof enough that it works. This is a minor setback and easy to fix. Don't thing it wont be ready by the time the Super 10 gets into prodcution.
For those arguing for the F35 I wouldn't bet on it stealth technology you haven't heard of Russia's SA-400 anti stealth missles. Enjoy them anyway, not to forget the F117 that was shot down with an SA-3 and a commander who kept on switching on and off his radar to get a signal.
Oh and I guess those arguing against plasma stealth havent seen the drawing board designs for the Super 10.
http://img118.exs.cx/img118/1221/j127hs.jpg
They have already finished outside design on it.
That is the stealth version of the super 10 no cannards. Its also a delta wing design, for whoever asked I beleive delta wing gliders need cannards.
Damn give me the lotto numbers the!
Well besides the fact that the paragraph(if you want to call it that) that you just typed didnt make sense.....spray_and_pray wrote:
Wrong and oh wrong aircraft models and designs are updated the F15 released 30 years ago is a lot more different from the one flying now. Did I say the F16 was the best jet no? But here you make yourself fail M-U-L-T-I R-O-L-E it can destroy air targets and attack the ground. It is still a FIGHTER aircraft not a BOMBER aircraft there is your difference. So hey you fail at proper discussion.Commie Killer wrote:
Well considering the Eurofighter is close to 7 years old compared to the F15 which is over 30 years old.....you fail.....also considering the F16 is not a air superiority fighter but a multi role cheaply produced aircraft you fail times 2.spray_and_pray wrote:
You do know that the Eurofighter outclasses a F15 currently the US's best jet that and the F16.
I think your saying something about the F15C model which was entered into service in 1979(which is still 21 years before 2000 dumbass) are continualy upgraded? Those are the two air superiority fighter models which only upgrades are in the weapons department and possibly in radar, cant remember. Also you are calling the F16C(Im assuming it is the C model since you seem to not have the capability of designating the models) the United States of America's second best jet? Id pick a F18 or a F/A 18 over it any day.
Oh yeah, one more thing, the F22A is now in service.....you fail again.
Wait. Since when is the F-15C the US's best fighter? Not since December 12, 2005 (when the F-22A entered service)...
Spray_and_pray is out of touch with the world.k30dxedle wrote:
Wait. Since when is the F-15C the US's best fighter? Not since December 12, 2005 (when the F-22A entered service)...
it's been awhile since i did some digging but, how many foreign country's have a fighter jet that can shoot a satellite out of orbit??? the f-15 can do it, how many others, does anyone know???
China doesn't need jets for this crap.hate&discontent wrote:
it's been awhile since i did some digging but, how many foreign country's have a fighter jet that can shoot a satellite out of orbit??? the f-15 can do it, how many others, does anyone know???
China wasnt doing that in 1984-1986.Stormscythe wrote:
China doesn't need jets for this crap.hate&discontent wrote:
it's been awhile since i did some digging but, how many foreign country's have a fighter jet that can shoot a satellite out of orbit??? the f-15 can do it, how many others, does anyone know???
MiG-25?hate&discontent wrote:
it's been awhile since i did some digging but, how many foreign country's have a fighter jet that can shoot a satellite out of orbit??? the f-15 can do it, how many others, does anyone know???
1. Plasma has nothing to do with the aircraft, and can be used on anything. It does NOT effect the aerodynamics of the aircraft, and is a totally different system, that is installed inside the aircraft.Pernicious544 wrote:
Plasma technology is really something to be excited about in aeronautics terms. Not only can it provide a stealthy blanket but it can also improve the aerodynamics of a plane. Plasma on an F-22 would be unbeatable (if it is possible to use plasma on the F-22, which I'm sure the air force has already thought about).
2. The U.S. has been researching this just as long as the Russians, but have yet to develop the technology fully.
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If it has to be installed in the aircraft it has a significant impact on the aircraft. Weight and space are of great concern when designing any aircraft.nlsme wrote:
1. Plasma has nothing to do with the aircraft, and can be used on anything. It does NOT effect the aerodynamics of the aircraft, and is a totally differant system, that is installed inside the aircraft.
100 kilos is hardly a concern when talking about the aerodynamics of an aircraft. It can be installed on any aircraft. Reflective, however does impact the aerodynamics.
Notice the bold rumor... I am quite sure, not a one US Air Force Pilot is worried for a minute.codeseven.spitfire wrote:
Rumored this jet will add a new definition to the modern day fighter aircraft, capable of demolishing any current U.S. Aircraft, including the newest F22/A Raptor.
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(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
I loled! You make me laugh! America is not the Problem. And we will watch out for that, whatever is going to bite us in the ass, I can assure you. Also, American and American's begins with a capitol A. Thanks.codeseven.spitfire wrote:
Hate to say it mate, but you americans are hypocritical and never look outside your own country, soon someones gonna bite you in the ass, and america is going to regret its cocky attitude.
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Err yeah come back in 10 years and see if they have a flying model...
f-16 with canards and thrust vectoring pretty much
That picture is so sexy.
However, my favorite plane is still the F-15 S/MTD, also known as the f-15 Active. It was a battle between that, the Mig 1.44, and the Su-37.
Would you look at that Foley, my new favorite plane is finally an American one
However, my favorite plane is still the F-15 S/MTD, also known as the f-15 Active. It was a battle between that, the Mig 1.44, and the Su-37.
Would you look at that Foley, my new favorite plane is finally an American one
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Your still a stupid commie.eagles1106 wrote:
That picture is so sexy.
However, my favorite plane is still the F-15 S/MTD, also known as the f-15 Active. It was a battle between that, the Mig 1.44, and the Su-37.
Would you look at that Foley, my new favorite plane is finally an American one
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … smtd02.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content … smtd01.jpg
http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/pl … tive_1.jpg
China is investing so much money in weapons and army, next cold war........ USA--CHINA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor
In early 2006, after an exercise involving just eight F-22s in Nevada in Nov. 2005, Lieutenant Colonel Jim Hecker, commander of the 27th Fighter Squadron (FS) at Langley AFB, Virginia, commented "We killed 33 F-15Cs and didn't suffer a single loss. They didn't see us at all."[26]
In June 2006 during Exercise Northern Edge (Alaska's largest joint military training exercise), the F-22A achieved a 144-to-zero kill-to-loss ratio against F-15s, F-16s and F/A-18s simulating MiG-29 'Fulcrums', Su-30 'Flankers', and other current front line Russian aircraft, with at times the F-22A being outnumbered 4 to 1.[16][27] The small F-22 force of 12 aircraft generated 49% of the total kills for the exercise, and operated with an unprecedented reliability rate of 97%.[20]
With that power, even a super 10 would have a hard time hitting the f-22 and f-35.
In early 2006, after an exercise involving just eight F-22s in Nevada in Nov. 2005, Lieutenant Colonel Jim Hecker, commander of the 27th Fighter Squadron (FS) at Langley AFB, Virginia, commented "We killed 33 F-15Cs and didn't suffer a single loss. They didn't see us at all."[26]
In June 2006 during Exercise Northern Edge (Alaska's largest joint military training exercise), the F-22A achieved a 144-to-zero kill-to-loss ratio against F-15s, F-16s and F/A-18s simulating MiG-29 'Fulcrums', Su-30 'Flankers', and other current front line Russian aircraft, with at times the F-22A being outnumbered 4 to 1.[16][27] The small F-22 force of 12 aircraft generated 49% of the total kills for the exercise, and operated with an unprecedented reliability rate of 97%.[20]
With that power, even a super 10 would have a hard time hitting the f-22 and f-35.
I don't think china will have a fighter jet that can go toe to toe with an american fighter and have a decent chance of winning for some time
however, they will have have jets that can attack an american fighter and outnumber it 5 to 1 and win there soon. Its like Shermans vs Tigers/Panthers of WWII. The numerous good tanks vs the few incredibly good tanks. But shermans won because of that magic 5 to 1 ratio... (well, overall it was more like 10:1 comparing Shermans to all german tanks, but i won't get into that. This is in any one battle)
however, they will have have jets that can attack an american fighter and outnumber it 5 to 1 and win there soon. Its like Shermans vs Tigers/Panthers of WWII. The numerous good tanks vs the few incredibly good tanks. But shermans won because of that magic 5 to 1 ratio... (well, overall it was more like 10:1 comparing Shermans to all german tanks, but i won't get into that. This is in any one battle)
Fancy, but I'm still waiting to see what the Russians come up with when the Pak-FA project matures and hits the internets. (In Soviet Russia, jet whore YOU!)
It's either gonna be a super-advanced MiG, some variant of the Su-47, or something completely different.
Maybe it's China's response to the whining about the J-10 in BF2?
It's either gonna be a super-advanced MiG, some variant of the Su-47, or something completely different.
Maybe it's China's response to the whining about the J-10 in BF2?
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