Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6820
After recent events, I have decided to post a limited apology.

I do not apologise for what I did.

I do, however, apologise to anyone who felt that I insulted them, living relatives who are currently serving or have previously served in the armed forces, or dead relatives who served in the armed forces.

My post was not meant to say that they are in any way similar to those who committed the Sept 11, 2001 attacks.  Rather, it was meant to point out that some would view it that way, and, further, some would view them as bad guys.  I wanted to make this point due to certain members who continually suggest that all members of the US armed forces, or the armed forces of any state, are somehow beyond criticism.

Could I have chosen to approach the matter differently?  Yes, I could have.  However, I felt an example would be best, that it would demonstrate that there was an inverse to the view being expressed.  Perhaps I was wrong.  Regardless, the thread was misinterpreted.  Could I have chosen to approach the matter at a different time?  Yes, I could have.  However, several things are worth noting: first, from my point of view, it was the 8th of December.  Secondly, there have been significant military events throughout just about every day of the year: I do not make a point of tracking them all.  Having said that, I do apologise for the timing.

In short:  I do not apologise for what I did, but I do make a limited apology covering some of the effects.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6625|Columbus, Ohio
Would you like to apologize for this?

Bubbalo wrote:

Well, excuse me if I'm not dumb enough to take up a job where I risk my life so that the rich grow richer whilst the poor grow poorer.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6652|The Gem Saloon
well then i suppose its a limited acceptance, good effort.



edit; and marine has a pretty valid point there.

Last edited by Parker (2006-12-07 21:22:49)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6820

usmarine2007 wrote:

Would you like to apologize for this?

Bubbalo wrote:

Well, excuse me if I'm not dumb enough to take up a job where I risk my life so that the rich grow richer whilst the poor grow poorer.
No, because that is my view of the US military.  I'm sorry if your view differs, and you are welcome to try to change my mind.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2006-12-07 21:22:29)

{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7018|San Antonio, Texas
Like a train wreck in slow-motion...

$10 says that this thread is going to end up a flame war.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush


It's the approach you often use. Just say how you feel and lay off the shock factor.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-07 21:26:05)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6625|Columbus, Ohio

Bubbalo wrote:

No, because that is my view of the US military.  I'm sorry if your view differs, and you are welcome to try to change my mind.
Well, I consider that a personal attack for many reasons.

Bubbalo wrote:

Yes, lucky those soldiers are out there to protect you from the bogeyman.

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2006-12-07 21:27:30)

Mongoose
That 70's guy
+156|6789|Sydney, in 1978

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Like a train wreck in slow-motion...

$10 says that this thread is going to end up a flame war.
ill raise you $5AUD
misconfiguration
GURU
+86|6654|Indianapolis, IN
That's why forums are here, say what you wish. I have my own views that people don't agree with, no need to apologize mate.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6787|Global Command
It wasn't just your OP, it was the follow-up posts you made.
You revealed an ugly side of yourself. Frankly, I found the whole sorry affair to be shocking.

But, congrats on your quick unban, and do us a favor huh? Don't have your head up your ass when trying to make a point. There are a lot of Americans on these forums.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6904

Bubbalo wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Would you like to apologize for this?

Bubbalo wrote:

Well, excuse me if I'm not dumb enough to take up a job where I risk my life so that the rich grow richer whilst the poor grow poorer.
No, because that is my view of the US military.  I'm sorry if your view differs, and you are welcome to try to change my mind.
There is a difference between "expressing your views" and blatantly trolling and starting a flame war. What you did was glorify the terrorists who attacked the WTC as "heroes" and go on to even list their names. You can't just shrug this off as your "different views". You were well aware that you were doing and that what you were posting was completely tasteless, offensive, and could not possibly result in a civil debate.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6820
I hadn't hoped for a debate.  Rather, I had hoped to demonstrate that no belief is absolute and beyond question: just as some view members of the US Armed Forces as protectors/"the good guys", some have that view of the other side.
acEofspadEs6313
Shiny! Let's be bad guys.
+102|6951|NAS Jacksonville, Florida

Bubbalo wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Would you like to apologize for this?

Bubbalo wrote:

Well, excuse me if I'm not dumb enough to take up a job where I risk my life so that the rich grow richer whilst the poor grow poorer.
No, because that is my view of the US military.  I'm sorry if your view differs, and you are welcome to try to change my mind.
I'm at a loss of words to say to you for that statement. That's insulting me and every single other person who VOLUNTEERS to protect their country.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6787|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

I hadn't hoped for a debate.  Rather, I had hoped to demonstrate that no belief is absolute and beyond question: just as some view members of the US Armed Forces as protectors/"the good guys", some have that view of the other side.
Then use the Junk Drawer.
You could save some face by ditching the 'limited" part of your OP.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6933|Canberra, AUS

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Would you like to apologize for this?

Bubbalo wrote:

Well, excuse me if I'm not dumb enough to take up a job where I risk my life so that the rich grow richer whilst the poor grow poorer.
No, because that is my view of the US military.  I'm sorry if your view differs, and you are welcome to try to change my mind.
I'm at a loss of words to say to you for that statement. That's insulting me and every single other person who VOLUNTEERS to protect their country.
That's his view. Are you going to try or change it or not, or are you going to sit their feeling insulted and indignant?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6820

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

I'm at a loss of words to say to you for that statement. That's insulting me and every single other person who VOLUNTEERS to protect their country.
But my point is that there are many who don't believe the US Army takes actions which are necessary to protect the US.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6625|Columbus, Ohio

Spark wrote:

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


No, because that is my view of the US military.  I'm sorry if your view differs, and you are welcome to try to change my mind.
I'm at a loss of words to say to you for that statement. That's insulting me and every single other person who VOLUNTEERS to protect their country.
That's his view. Are you going to try or change it or not, or are you going to sit their feeling insulted and indignant?
Ok....fine...then EVERY view shall be allowed from this point forward yes?  I mean every view.
acEofspadEs6313
Shiny! Let's be bad guys.
+102|6951|NAS Jacksonville, Florida

Spark wrote:

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


No, because that is my view of the US military.  I'm sorry if your view differs, and you are welcome to try to change my mind.
I'm at a loss of words to say to you for that statement. That's insulting me and every single other person who VOLUNTEERS to protect their country.
That's his view. Are you going to try or change it or not, or are you going to sit their feeling insulted and indignant?
Just felt like stating it. I've read enough of his posts to know that I can't change his view on anything, even if it bites him in the ass.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6820

ATG wrote:

Then use the Junk Drawer.
You could save some face by ditching the 'limited" part of your OP.
But it isn't a full apology, because I do not apologise for the original action.
Breez
AKA: badhq
+937|6890|Derby, England

Bubbalo wrote:

I hadn't hoped for a debate.  Rather, I had hoped to demonstrate that no belief is absolute and beyond question: just as some view members of the US Armed Forces as protectors/"the good guys", some have that view of the other side.
@Bubbalo  i forgive you for what its worth :-)

to rest of you Please keep it clean ( or at least try to keep it clean )

Peace Boris
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6933|Canberra, AUS

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I hadn't hoped for a debate.  Rather, I had hoped to demonstrate that no belief is absolute and beyond question: just as some view members of the US Armed Forces as protectors/"the good guys", some have that view of the other side.
Then use the Junk Drawer.
You could save some face by ditching the 'limited" part of your OP.
Why should he use the junk drawer? No-one there neither knows nor cares what he would be talking aobut.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6787|Global Command
True, arguing with Bubs is pointless. I tried for about a year.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6820

usmarine2007 wrote:

Spark wrote:

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

I'm at a loss of words to say to you for that statement. That's insulting me and every single other person who VOLUNTEERS to protect their country.
That's his view. Are you going to try or change it or not, or are you going to sit their feeling insulted and indignant?
Ok....fine...then EVERY view shall be allowed from this point forward yes?  I mean every view.
Are there any that have been disallowed, so far as you know?

I'm thinking I might have to delete this thread, the way it's going...................
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6933|Canberra, AUS

usmarine2007 wrote:

Spark wrote:

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:


I'm at a loss of words to say to you for that statement. That's insulting me and every single other person who VOLUNTEERS to protect their country.
That's his view. Are you going to try or change it or not, or are you going to sit their feeling insulted and indignant?
Ok....fine...then EVERY view shall be allowed from this point forward yes?  I mean every view.
No - views that break rules will not be tolerated. Mostly racist views.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6787|Global Command

Spark wrote:

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I hadn't hoped for a debate.  Rather, I had hoped to demonstrate that no belief is absolute and beyond question: just as some view members of the US Armed Forces as protectors/"the good guys", some have that view of the other side.
Then use the Junk Drawer.
You could save some face by ditching the 'limited" part of your OP.
Why should he use the junk drawer? No-one there neither knows nor cares what he would be talking aobut.
because;


" I hadn't hoped for a debate. "

Besides that was a mindless topic designed only to hurt Americans, not to make them think.

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