I won't hesitate for one moment to take up arms to defend my country if it should ever come under attack. It's a decision I'll take and it's not a decision that someone else is going to make for me. I don't agree with drafts: the possibility exists that you might get drafted into a politically motivated war the basis upon which the war is being fought you don't agree with. I don't think anyone should trust a politician with such a decision. They're slimy odious unscrupulous wretches to begin with (generally). It will be blatantly evident to all people of sound mind when they will need to take up arms and fight for their freedom and their country.
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Would you dodge the Draft in 07
| Yes, i like wearing moms clothes | 3% | 3% - 4 | ||||
| No. im a fuckin man | 55% | 55% - 67 | ||||
| Maybe | 7% | 7% - 9 | ||||
| YES! canada here i come! | 26% | 26% - 32 | ||||
| cather with a bunch of hippie, and protest | 7% | 7% - 9 | ||||
| Total: 121 | ||||||
how the fuck exactly does one "cather" ?or, congregate with the plural of a singular for that matter? - what did John Kerry say again?
lolIG-Calibre wrote:
how the fuck exactly does one "cather" ?or, congregate with the plural of a singular for that matter? - what did John Kerry say again?
Even if it was for Iraq and they for some reason did institute such an idea, I still wouldn't dodge it. Although if it was dodgeball, I would since I own at that game.
Maybe, probably not.
If the draft came i would go. I would be third priority though if it was this year 4th if it was next. If it was defense of the country from a direct attacking force there wouldn't need to be a draft in my eyes. I actually pity any force that tries to invade the United States.
sss.gov wrote:
The lottery would establish the priority of call based on the birth dates of registrants. The first men drafted would be those turning age 20 during the calendar year of the lottery. For example, if a draft were held in 1998, those men born in 1978 would be considered first. If a young man turns 21 in the year of the draft, he would be in the second priority, in turning 22 he would be in the third priority, and so forth until the year in which he turns 26 at which time he is over the age of liability. Younger men would not be called in that year until men in the 20-25 age group are called.
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If in a war you have the luxury of deciding when and where to fight, then that is an indication that you have joined the wrong camp (that of the bad guys lol).lowing wrote:
Ever thought that when you are fighting a war, it is best fought when YOU are on the offensive and not the defensive? It makes no sense for you to say that you would fight on your own soil, but would not fight to keep from having to.TeamZephyr wrote:
Being a country boy if Australia was invaded I would defend this country to my last drop of blood.
However I would dodge a draft because if a draft was introduced it would only be introduced by the current government as a means to boost our numbers in Afghanistan and Iraq, two wars that I personally don't believe in and don't think Australia has any place in.
The Australian Defence Force doesn't do much defending anymore, mostly just attacking.
You only go to war as a final resort, because anyone who engages in a war is automatically a loser.
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Would claiming to be gay get you out of military service?
It depends, i mean if i beleive there is an actual threat to my life/family/freinds etc.. then i'd probably do it. If it's bullshit like Iraq and Afghanistan no way.
I would, I'm not willing to fight and die for the rich to get larger pockets. I don't believe in this war, I do care/support the troops it's not their fault. I stand right here and say; I'd rather put a bullet in my own skull than to risk dying for a cause I don't agree with.
I am a citizen of the United States of America. If my country calls, I will go. Period. Draft dodging is a disgrace.
I do believe in invading other countries – precisely so my country's citizens can avoid danger. That’s the job of the armed forces, too keep the enemy away from our soil, not to wait until they get here. Hitting the enemy across town so he doesn't get a chance to come to your doorstep is always the best course of action. You may love the citizens of the other country, which is good, we should avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. However, you're fighting their army, whose job is to kill you. I guarantee if you wait until they get to your soil, they'll come for you and they won't worry about your citizens. Reality bites.
WW2 - Pearl Harbor. It was there our isolationism came to an abrupt end when the enemy chose not to love us for keeping our nose out. *liberals gasp* “WHAT? Minding our own business in the face of a ruthless enemy didn’t work?” *liberals scratch their heads* Protect our nation and our allies, first. Worry about who likes us after that's accomplished. News flash: even if we stayed at home, people will not like America.TeamZephyr wrote:
Sorry I don't believe in invading other countries and putting their citizens in danger just so my country's citizens can avoid it.
The logic that you try and put forth there is the exact reason that many of the world's problems exist and SHOCK one of the main reasons that people don't like America. Jumping at shadows and destroying other countries just so YOU can feel safe is NO JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR.
As mentioned in the post before I will defend Australia to the death, but not to the extent in which I would invade another country and put their citizens in danger, the cost of life does not change from nation from nation.
I do believe in invading other countries – precisely so my country's citizens can avoid danger. That’s the job of the armed forces, too keep the enemy away from our soil, not to wait until they get here. Hitting the enemy across town so he doesn't get a chance to come to your doorstep is always the best course of action. You may love the citizens of the other country, which is good, we should avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. However, you're fighting their army, whose job is to kill you. I guarantee if you wait until they get to your soil, they'll come for you and they won't worry about your citizens. Reality bites.
You fail to account for when your country engages in war for strategic or financial gain.Stingray24 wrote:
I am a citizen of the United States of America. If my country calls, I will go. Period. Draft dodging is a disgrace.WW2 - Pearl Harbor. It was there our isolationism came to an abrupt end when the enemy chose not to love us for keeping our nose out. *liberals gasp* “WHAT? Minding our own business in the face of a ruthless enemy didn’t work?” *liberals scratch their heads* Protect our nation and our allies, first. Worry about who likes us after that's accomplished. News flash: even if we stayed at home, people will not like America.TeamZephyr wrote:
Sorry I don't believe in invading other countries and putting their citizens in danger just so my country's citizens can avoid it.
The logic that you try and put forth there is the exact reason that many of the world's problems exist and SHOCK one of the main reasons that people don't like America. Jumping at shadows and destroying other countries just so YOU can feel safe is NO JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR.
As mentioned in the post before I will defend Australia to the death, but not to the extent in which I would invade another country and put their citizens in danger, the cost of life does not change from nation from nation.
I do believe in invading other countries – precisely so my country's citizens can avoid danger. That’s the job of the armed forces, too keep the enemy away from our soil, not to wait until they get here. Hitting the enemy across town so he doesn't get a chance to come to your doorstep is always the best course of action. You may love the citizens of the other country, which is good, we should avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. However, you're fighting their army, whose job is to kill you. I guarantee if you wait until they get to your soil, they'll come for you and they won't worry about your citizens. Reality bites.
Question: Why are a lot of Americans so scared out of their wits? It doesn't reflect well on you. I suppose when you have fearmongering rammed down your throat 24/7 it's bound to impact.
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i support a draft just so the rich kids could stop driving their daddys beamers and see how the real world is
I'd rather be warm and cosy than sit in a draft. Or were you talking draft beer?
so so so not true. My mentor growing up was a Special Forces Veteran Lt Col A-Team commander during vietnam. and he was drafted as a private in the 60's. he found his niche and made a career out of it. SF guys are fucking super heroesElamdri wrote:
I would dodge a draft to send me overseas, but I honestly wouldn't need to be drafted to defend america from a direct invasion. A draft is pointless, conscripted soldiers have no purpose or will to fight.
unless you are ofcourse talking about this most recent generation of whiners and cryers.
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No, will try to get a J10
You're right, I'm addressing TeamZephyr wanting to wait until the enemy is in his living room before beginning to fight. By then it's too late. Folks like you enjoy painting any conflict in the Middle East that we're involved in as only for strategic and financial gain. Though I think financial is the favorite so far. I'm not scared, I'm asking for a simple acknowledgment of reality by those who would rather rip on our nation and our military than admit recognition of the threat. You use the "scared and fearmongering" line so much it's getting threadbare. Believing that radical Islam is not a threat, does not make them disarm. That is not fear, that is reality.CameronPoe wrote:
You fail to account for when your country engages in war for strategic or financial gain.Stingray24 wrote:
WW2 - Pearl Harbor. It was there our isolationism came to an abrupt end when the enemy chose not to love us for keeping our nose out. *liberals gasp* “WHAT? Minding our own business in the face of a ruthless enemy didn’t work?” *liberals scratch their heads* Protect our nation and our allies, first. Worry about who likes us after that's accomplished. News flash: even if we stayed at home, people will not like America.
I do believe in invading other countries – precisely so my country's citizens can avoid danger. That’s the job of the armed forces, too keep the enemy away from our soil, not to wait until they get here. Hitting the enemy across town so he doesn't get a chance to come to your doorstep is always the best course of action. You may love the citizens of the other country, which is good, we should avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. However, you're fighting their army, whose job is to kill you. I guarantee if you wait until they get to your soil, they'll come for you and they won't worry about your citizens. Reality bites.
Question: Why are a lot of Americans so scared out of their wits? It doesn't reflect well on you. I suppose when you have fearmongering rammed down your throat 24/7 it's bound to impact.
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Naah..........would never go fight Bush's war for him. Instead I think I'll pull a Bush and dodge it. You boys have fun at war.........I'll stay behind and take care of your women
His name was A-Team? Or he was a member of the A-Team? In which case, which one was he, Murdoch?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so so so not true. My mentor growing up was a Special Forces Veteran Lt Col A-Team commander during vietnam. and he was drafted as a private in the 60's. he found his niche and made a career out of it. SF guys are fucking super heroesElamdri wrote:
I would dodge a draft to send me overseas, but I honestly wouldn't need to be drafted to defend america from a direct invasion. A draft is pointless, conscripted soldiers have no purpose or will to fight.
unless you are ofcourse talking about this most recent generation of whiners and cryers.
Look - I know radical islam is a threat - I just don't think it's all that credible. The Soviet Union never brought down the west and neither will these cunts. Have some faith man. Besides - they live in excess of 5000 miles away from you - do you expect some D-Day arab landing on Delaware beach or something?Stingray24 wrote:
You're right, I'm addressing TeamZephyr wanting to wait until the enemy is in his living room before beginning to fight. By then it's too late. Folks like you enjoy painting any conflict in the Middle East that we're involved in as only for strategic and financial gain. Though I think financial is the favorite so far. I'm not scared, I'm asking for a simple acknowledgment of reality by those who would rather rip on our nation and our military than admit recognition of the threat. You use the "scared and fearmongering" line so much it's getting threadbare. Believing that radical Islam is not a threat, does not make them disarm. That is not fear, that is reality.
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lol, actually an A -Team is a term used to describe an SF unit. usually commanded by a Captain with 5 or 6 NCO's with various duties in the team. such as language, medical, communication and weapons. its an actual term, thats where the show got its name from.ghettoperson wrote:
His name was A-Team? Or he was a member of the A-Team? In which case, which one was he, Murdoch?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so so so not true. My mentor growing up was a Special Forces Veteran Lt Col A-Team commander during vietnam. and he was drafted as a private in the 60's. he found his niche and made a career out of it. SF guys are fucking super heroesElamdri wrote:
I would dodge a draft to send me overseas, but I honestly wouldn't need to be drafted to defend america from a direct invasion. A draft is pointless, conscripted soldiers have no purpose or will to fight.
unless you are ofcourse talking about this most recent generation of whiners and cryers.
also known as ODAGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
lol, actually an A -Team is a term used to describe an SF unit. usually commanded by a Captain with 5 or 6 NCO's with various duties in the team. such as language, medical, communication and weapons. its an actual term, thats where the show got its name from.ghettoperson wrote:
His name was A-Team? Or he was a member of the A-Team? In which case, which one was he, Murdoch?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so so so not true. My mentor growing up was a Special Forces Veteran Lt Col A-Team commander during vietnam. and he was drafted as a private in the 60's. he found his niche and made a career out of it. SF guys are fucking super heroes
unless you are ofcourse talking about this most recent generation of whiners and cryers.
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fucking superheros man, i tell ya
I voted maybe. If it was for the current status of warfare our country is engaged in, i would do everything in my power to avoid it..if i was of draft age. I enlisted and got kicked out because of a 1" patch of dry skin..they had their chance to make me a bullet magnet.
On another note, regarding the draft, I think there should mandatory military service for all citizens 19 and up. I think the volunteer military should be complimented with those serving their mandatory terms based on a last resort. National defense with a full nation of service men and women (retired or active or at the ready) would be quite comforting..and it would probably go well with the type of aggressive nation we've become. It would also put the power back into the people (to overthrow a tyrrannical government) a litte more than it has now.
On another note, regarding the draft, I think there should mandatory military service for all citizens 19 and up. I think the volunteer military should be complimented with those serving their mandatory terms based on a last resort. National defense with a full nation of service men and women (retired or active or at the ready) would be quite comforting..and it would probably go well with the type of aggressive nation we've become. It would also put the power back into the people (to overthrow a tyrrannical government) a litte more than it has now.
You're very wrong Our army is mainly conscripted, only the higher ranks who give the orders are professionals. Most finnish people love our land enough to be happy to spend a bit over half year of their lives in the army. The purpose a conscripted soldier fights for is to defend his homeland. Unless it's _forced_ conscription to defend something you would rather see destroyed.Elamdri wrote:
I would dodge a draft to send me overseas, but I honestly wouldn't need to be drafted to defend america from a direct invasion. A draft is pointless, conscripted soldiers have no purpose or will to fight.
Don't talk about conscription if you don't know what it is
Why the hell would anyone invade Australia?TeamZephyr wrote:
Being a country boy if Australia was invaded I would defend this country to my last drop of blood.
However I would dodge a draft because if a draft was introduced it would only be introduced by the current government as a means to boost our numbers in Afghanistan and Iraq, two wars that I personally don't believe in and don't think Australia has any place in.
The Australian Defence Force doesn't do much defending anymore, mostly just attacking.