BF2S Forums Pope sparks fury

Altophish wrote:

Six pages and were still going on about something out of context.

If your going to have a debate, you should know what your talking about.  Yes I am talking about most everyone in this thread. 

Read the speech for yourself.  DO NOT take someone else's word for what happened.  Take 5 minutes.  Read the speech.  Come back and tell us all what your thoughts on what he SAID.  Not about what somebody else tells you they think he said.

Don't let one assholes take on the matter color your own opinion.  Form one of your own by reading the speech.  Don't read an article, don't listen to the radio, don't listen to the TV.  They are all looking for a story. 

The story is that the Pope said some idiot during the 14th century took a harsh view on Muslims.  That is all.

Don't believe?  Read the speech.  READ THE SPEECH!!  Read the speech.

Did anyone notice that the Pope didn't apologize for what he said?  He apologized for how the Muslims reacted.  Why do you think he did that?  Probably because he was surprised by the reaction.

But don't listen to me.  Read the speech for yourself...I just cant say it enough.

Good luck with that.

CameronPoe wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Systematic killing - UNTRUE

Killing hundreds of jews in riots and at the wailing wall while they pray is very systematic and with the intention of driving the Jews out for fear of thier lives .. thats the definition of systematic.

How 'systematic'. LOL. I suppose Haditha was 'systematic' killing of Iraqis? LOL. By definition a riot is not systematic, by definition it is in fact riotous. LOL

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Should you resist immigrants taking over your homeland by virtue of the level of influx when you can't just deport them or prohibit them from buying land and you don't have any recourse to proper justice? - YES IMO

Yeah you should kill your neighbor if he buys a house in your neighborhood and isnt the same color as you?...Sorry I don't agree ..Mexicans are moving to Texas by the millions and I have no intention of killing any of them.

Oh yeah - the situation in California is EXACTLY the same as 30s and 40s Palestine. LOL. The US goverment, with the finest military equipment in the world, are looking out for Californians. No such similiarity in Palestine (no self government). Not to mention the fact that Mexicans have not advocated a satellite state of Mexico in USA, unlike the Zionists. The Palestinians could see what was coming and needed to respond.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Significant occurences in 1948? Arab/Israeli tit-for-tat terror war

Thats quite the funny bullshit take you got there. The 1948 war was open modern warfare on a large scale ..nothing resembling tit-for-tat or terrorism. Also not declared by Israel so blame them not the Jews ..even tho you're incapable of doing so.

For me declaring a state of Israel in Palestine was a declaration of war. And that's how it was understood by the arabs.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Israel drives hundreds of thousands of civilians, men, women & children, from their homes forever. Sounds a bit like ethnic cleansing actually...

More bullshit but im not suprised ..Ethnic cleansing? Well Egypt and Jordan possibly would have "ethnically cleansed" the Jews had they won. The word you're looking for is segregate and there would have been a simple solution to avoid the segregation .. Don't declare war on your neighbor.. There was no mass killing of arabs to earn that distinction.

Oh yeah - 'don't declare war on your neighbour' - roughly translates as 'sit there and take it like a bitch up the ass' - very un-neocon like attitude for you to be holding.

Bernadictus wrote:

The Pope made a serious mistake.
The general tone of his message was "Show me what the Islam invented, what Jezus Christ hadn't already invented". Or to put it in more  clear daylight "Muhammed ctrl-C / ctrl-V'd the Bible and Christianity".

Honestly, that IS the most stupid thing to do. Insulting Muhammed is to Muslim, like what 9/11 is to Christians.

But on the other hand, the whole vatican isn't too bright these days.

John 8:1-12 wrote:

Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them,
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even ! unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her,
"Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee?"
She said, No man , Lord. And Jesus said unto her,
"Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying,
"I am the light of the world:
he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

the_hitman_kills wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

I think you will find that what the Pope was geting at was that faith must be arrived at by the individual through their own freewill rather than at the end of a sword and threat of death..

i was just thinking that about democracy...

IG-Calibre wrote:

the_hitman_kills wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

I think you will find that what the Pope was geting at was that faith must be arrived at by the individual through their own freewill rather than at the end of a sword and threat of death..

i was just thinking that about democracy...

I would concur

Last edited by joker3327 (2006-09-18 05:18:47)

the_hitman_kills wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

I think you will find that what the Pope was geting at was that faith must be arrived at by the individual through their own freewill rather than at the end of a sword and threat of death..

i was just thinking that about democracy...

Last edited by TheFlipTop (2006-09-18 05:24:29)

IG-Calibre wrote:

Lets face it Muslims are pissed off because the Catholic Church won't recognise their faith as being Devine..

IG-Calibre wrote:

TheFlipTop wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Lets face it Muslims are pissed off because the Catholic Church won't recognise their faith as being Devine..

Oh and fancy meeting you here :-D

haha - small world, fancy a bit of chopper whoring for the craic?

Last edited by TheFlipTop (2006-09-18 05:36:47)

TheFlipTop wrote:

the_hitman_kills wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

I think you will find that what the Pope was geting at was that faith must be arrived at by the individual through their own freewill rather than at the end of a sword and threat of death..

i was just thinking that about democracy...

DEMOCRACY!! LOL!!

Look what happens when we are given the vote in a bloody computer game, ya think we can be trusted to get it right? Democracy, don't make me fuckin LAUGH!! Its a smokescreen to keep the muppet masses quiet and happy in their suburban pens. Revolution is the only true democracy, and when it happens it dont last long before someone climbs to the top of the shitheap and restores some sort of order, and starts telling folk the do's and don'ts.

Vote all you want, the Government always gets in. And nothing changes, wake up ffs.