Women in combat

2013-01-23 18:31:44

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

Women in all branches of the military soon will have unprecedented opportunities to serve on the front lines of the nation's wars.
Leon Panetta, in one of his last acts as President Obama's defense secretary, is preparing to announce the policy change, which would open hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and potentially elite commando jobs after more than a decade at war, the Pentagon confirmed Wednesday.
The groundbreaking move recommended by the Joint Chiefs of Staff overturns a 1994 rule banning women from being assigned to smaller ground combat units. Panetta's decision gives the military services until January 2016 to seek special exceptions if they believe any positions must remain closed to women.
"This policy change will initiate a process whereby the services will develop plans to implement this decision, which was made by the secretary of defense upon the recommendation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff," a senior defense official told reporters on condition of anonymity.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01 … z2Ir8L2500

I'm sorry, but I just can't support this. Women have a completely different physique, and this is already reflected by the fact that they take different physical fitness tests than male soldiers with much lower standards. It's why we don't have coed Olympic games etc. When I was in, I weighed 240 lbs, how would any but the biggest outlier butch woman be able to drag me out of combat if I was hit? Could they kick down the same doors? How is some guy going to react when he sees his girlfriend blown up next to him? It's just an overall radical diminishment of standards and I just can't accept that this is a good idea.

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2013-01-23 18:32:59

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Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5176|Sydney

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2013-01-23 18:34:59

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

Jaekus wrote:

She wouldn't pass the weight standards

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-01-23 18:40:36

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RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,736|6735|Oxferd Ohire

Jaekus wrote:

Jay wrote:
how would any but the biggest outlier butch woman going to be able to drag me out of combat if I was hit?

2013-01-23 18:42:08

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1stSFOD-Delta: Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales; +376|5976|Blue Mountain State

No ugly chicks.

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2013-01-23 19:57:41

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War Man: Australians are hermaphrodites.; +563|6711|Purplicious Wisconsin

Yay, if some chick is about to be sent into combat, she can just get herself pregnant to leave. Oh and as a bonus, the guys fighting alongside her will be more concerned about banging her and/or keeping her protected than to accomplish whatever mission they have.

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.

2013-01-23 19:58:32

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Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6690

A warrior is not distracted by women.

x

2013-01-23 20:00:54

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War Man: Australians are hermaphrodites.; +563|6711|Purplicious Wisconsin

Superior Mind wrote:
A warrior is not distracted by women.

wikipedia wrote:
Lt. Col. Dave Grossman briefly mentions that female soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces have been officially prohibited from serving in close combat military operations since 1948. The reason for removing female soldiers from the front lines was due less to the performance of female soldiers, and more due to the behavior of the male infantrymen after witnessing a woman wounded. The IDF saw a complete loss of control over soldiers who apparently experienced an uncontrollable, protective, instinctual aggression, severely degrading the unit's combat effectiveness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_combat#Issues

Last edited by War Man (2013-01-23 20:01:07)

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.

2013-01-23 20:00:56

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Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6714

War Man wrote:
Yay, if some chick is about to be sent into combat, she can just get herself pregnant to leave. Oh and as a bonus, the guys fighting alongside her will be more concerned about banging her and/or keeping her protected than to accomplish whatever mission they have.

says the man who never served.

I think Ty bought up some good points on women in combat, please repeat Ty.

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2013-01-23 20:01:49

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War Man: Australians are hermaphrodites.; +563|6711|Purplicious Wisconsin

Cybargs wrote:
War Man wrote:
Yay, if some chick is about to be sent into combat, she can just get herself pregnant to leave. Oh and as a bonus, the guys fighting alongside her will be more concerned about banging her and/or keeping her protected than to accomplish whatever mission they have.
says the man who never served.

I think Ty bought up some good points on women in combat, please repeat Ty.

Best if I become an officer instead of a grunt.

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.

2013-01-23 20:06:33

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tuckergustav: ...; +1,590|5911|...

I think the simple solution is to require the same standard of physical fitness for any woman that would apply to be in these positions. It would be really difficult which is a great way to look like they are 'allowing' women in these roles.

I would never feel comfortable being in a position where I couldn't physically remove a friend from a deadly situation.

If I were motivated to be 'on the front lines' I would train my ass off to meet those physical requirements and those are the only kind of people that should be in that position anyway.

"How is some guy going to react when he sees his girlfriend blown up next to him?"

If you are using the term girlfriend as in someone you are dating...simple...don't date the people that you are going to go into combat with. If you were saying girlfriend in a girl friend way...probably the same as if your guy friend was blown up I guess.

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2013-01-23 20:24:27

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Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6690

Train the men to be humble warriors and not brutes and there will be no worry.

x

2013-01-23 20:28:50

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

tuckergustav wrote:
War Man wrote:
tuckergustav wrote:
War Man wrote:
Because constantly reading Macbeth's various posts in other threads about the military has been getting me more and more irritated at him.
yeah. He irritates me too. But, the fact is that he made a general assumptive blanket statement about how a large body of people would react to this...

As did you.
Not saying all women would do that, but some would. Some women do end up getting pregnant in the military and end up having to leave because of it, some of those are relationships with other men in the same military. I think women would generally make good soldiers and fighters if sent to combat, but the my main concern lies with how men in the same squad as her will act around her. Plus the pregnancy thing I mentioned.
It is a bit short sighted to project your own feelings and responses upon others. I would give the soldiers that we entrust with frontline missions a little more credit than that.

Let's solve the pregnancy issues...give all women that choose to enter into these positions (twss) an IUD...

They have lifted Don't ask Don't tell...soldiers are already getting busy with other soldiers...they just can't get pregnant.

I was in a mixed unit when I deployed, and approximately half of the women in my battalion magically got pregnant at the same time when we got our deployment orders, and not just the enlisted women either. A company commander decided it was an opportune time to get pregnant as well.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-01-23 20:30:22

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tuckergustav: ...; +1,590|5911|...

ok. If they were so eager to get out a deployment, you probably didn't want them there to begin with.

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2013-01-23 20:30:58

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Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6714

Jay wrote:
tuckergustav wrote:
War Man wrote:

Not saying all women would do that, but some would. Some women do end up getting pregnant in the military and end up having to leave because of it, some of those are relationships with other men in the same military. I think women would generally make good soldiers and fighters if sent to combat, but the my main concern lies with how men in the same squad as her will act around her. Plus the pregnancy thing I mentioned.
It is a bit short sighted to project your own feelings and responses upon others. I would give the soldiers that we entrust with frontline missions a little more credit than that.

Let's solve the pregnancy issues...give all women that choose to enter into these positions (twss) an IUD...

They have lifted Don't ask Don't tell...soldiers are already getting busy with other soldiers...they just can't get pregnant.
I was in a mixed unit when I deployed, and approximately half of the women in my battalion magically got pregnant at the same time when we got our deployment orders, and not just the enlisted women either. A company commander decided it was an opportune time to get pregnant as well.

you have a seriously undisciplined unit. i heard on a ship a female sailor came onshore with 50k in cash... best lulz ever

2013-01-23 20:32:48

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

tuckergustav wrote:
ok. If they were so eager to get out a deployment, you probably didn't want them there to begin with.

Most of us didn't want to be deployed. We just didn't have a way out that didn't involve a jail sentence.

I just had very, very bad experiences with military women and feel sorry for the combat units that will now have physically less able battle buddies to rely on in combat.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-01-23 20:35:10

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

Cybargs wrote:
Jay wrote:
tuckergustav wrote:

It is a bit short sighted to project your own feelings and responses upon others. I would give the soldiers that we entrust with frontline missions a little more credit than that.

Let's solve the pregnancy issues...give all women that choose to enter into these positions (twss) an IUD...

They have lifted Don't ask Don't tell...soldiers are already getting busy with other soldiers...they just can't get pregnant.
I was in a mixed unit when I deployed, and approximately half of the women in my battalion magically got pregnant at the same time when we got our deployment orders, and not just the enlisted women either. A company commander decided it was an opportune time to get pregnant as well.
you have a seriously undisciplined unit. i heard on a ship a female sailor came onshore with 50k in cash... best lulz ever

We had one girl in my platoon make the mistake of leaving a thumb drive plugged into my platoon sergeants PC that had dozens of pictures of her participating in an orgy in her trailer. All of the participants were married and got smacked with adultery charges. lulz were had by all

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-01-23 20:40:48

#18

tuckergustav: ...; +1,590|5911|...

Jay wrote:
tuckergustav wrote:
ok. If they were so eager to get out a deployment, you probably didn't want them there to begin with.
Most of us didn't want to be deployed. We just didn't have a way out that didn't involve a jail sentence.

I just had very, very bad experiences with military women and feel sorry for the combat units that will now have physically less able battle buddies to rely on in combat.

I don't think that will change...but, for those women that are serious and motivated to take on more direct combat roles, they should be held to the same physical standards and by qualifying it should be clear that they are serious soldiers.

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2013-01-23 20:47:51

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

tuckergustav wrote:
Jay wrote:
tuckergustav wrote:
ok. If they were so eager to get out a deployment, you probably didn't want them there to begin with.
Most of us didn't want to be deployed. We just didn't have a way out that didn't involve a jail sentence.

I just had very, very bad experiences with military women and feel sorry for the combat units that will now have physically less able battle buddies to rely on in combat.
I don't think that will change...but, for those women that are serious and motivated to take on more direct combat roles, they should be held to the same physical standards and by qualifying it should be clear that they are serious soldiers.

There were rare exceptions that were there to serve their country proudly, and I was glad to serve alongside them, but it was maybe 10% of the population. Most of the males I served with weren't worth a damn either, but the ratio was a lot higher in their favor. I know I've said it before on this forum somewhere, but I had a rule of thumb that whenever we had a new female assigned to our unit that she would either be married, pregnant or both within six months of arriving. I was wrong probably five times, and three of the five were lesbians.

I know I'm coming off as a misogynist asshole in this thread, but I really only feel this way about jobs that involve strict physical requirements: cops, firefighters, combat MOS' etc.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-01-23 21:47:33

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ROGUEDD: BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.; +452|5386|Fuck this.

No women or straights in the military! Only homosexual males! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

Fuck yeah.

Make X-meds a full member, for the sake of 15 year old anal gangbang porn watchers everywhere!

2013-01-23 23:23:52

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Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|5997|...

I wouldnt be worried. Where I live army SF selection has been open to women for more than 60 years now and none have made it past the first week of the selection.

What could happen though is a woman being let through as a PR stunt. Thatd be bad.

Last edited by Shocking (2013-01-24 04:54:49)

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2013-01-23 23:25:56

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Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,053|6620|Little Bentcock

G.I. Jane got in. You liar.

2013-01-24 00:15:49

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Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4252

Jay wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
She wouldn't pass the weight standards

well you did, big boy. sure that isn't you in the picture, wearing an apron?

2013-01-24 00:23:02

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6103|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
I was in a mixed unit when I deployed, and approximately half of the women in my battalion magically got pregnant at the same time when we got our deployment orders, and not just the enlisted women either. A company commander decided it was an opportune time to get pregnant as well.

Just like Cheney's wife eh? Thats how he got out of being drafted.

Still, I'm surprised all these brave patriots got cold feet when they found the price of free college was doing Army stuff if you sign up for the Army.

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2013-01-24 01:32:31

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Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6714

Dilbert_X wrote:
Jay wrote:
I was in a mixed unit when I deployed, and approximately half of the women in my battalion magically got pregnant at the same time when we got our deployment orders, and not just the enlisted women either. A company commander decided it was an opportune time to get pregnant as well.
Just like Cheney's wife eh? Thats how he got out of being drafted.

Still, I'm surprised all these brave patriots got cold feet when they found the price of free college was doing Army stuff if you sign up for the Army.

lol free college for joining the military. yeah that's so great when you're payed poverty line wages not to mention you get shot at as well

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