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2006-08-05 16:01:37
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|6868|Home of the Escalade Herds

PuckMercury wrote:

not naiive logic - it's simple, plain and obvious fact.

Your childish reality fails.

The line is drawn at intentionally targetting civilians as a larger proportion to military targets.
More nonsensical comments. It doensn't matter who you supposedly target, it's the results that matter.

The evil Hezbollah have killed what, 60 people all together, most of them military. Israel has killed close to 1000 now with what around 900 being civilians? Rocket strikes continue so yeah, they don't seem to be doing shit to Hezbollah.

Israel should have gone in with ground troops from day 1 but they don't give 2 fucks about civilian casualities.
2006-08-05 17:08:23
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver

HM1{N} wrote:

spastic bullet wrote:

... I'll be honest -- I don't think a lot of Christians even try to be even-handed in this particular dispute.  They almost always seem to want to side with Israel, no matter what the facts are.  If anybody here is a Christian, good for you, but tell me so I know before we start discussing this.
I'm one...
Well, thanks for single-handedly restoring my faith in Christians...    My apologies to you and any other Christian who was offended by my rash comment, especially if, like HM1{N}, you don't just blindly side with Israel whenever the opportunity arises.  Mea culpa.

Kolhozik wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

I'm not Muslim, but I know a number of them, and they are not hostile towards me nor demanding I convert. They have not tried to suicide bomb me. They just want to be left alone like everyone else.

I don't know what the Quran says exactly, but I know it's filled with contradictions, along with every other religious text.
Please show me where in BIBLE does it say that Christianity is the only religion, and those who are not a scum of the earth?
Dude, this is like saying "where on the internets are there pictures of O RLY owls?!"

Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  2 Chr.15:13

And, because I don't have ten years to spare, here's a comprehensive list of intolerance in the Bible somebody else made earlier.

Moving swiftly on, how is it that people can talk about "ragheads", "backwards Muslims", "camel jockeys" or "glass parking lots" to their heart's content on this forum, yet anybody who voices disagreement with the policies of the state of Israel is a "Jew Hater"?  That shit is getting mighty old...
2006-08-05 17:10:08
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6770|Portland, OR USA
simply becasue you disagree with a comment doesn't make it nonsensical, it makes it contrary to your belief.

Try again.
2006-08-05 17:28:36
Sondernkommando
Member
+22|6959
What people are saying is:  Israel should choose to let its own soldiers die rather than kill the Lebanese who:

1.  Have Hezbollah as part of their government
2.  Have Hezbollah as de facto government in the South
3.  Have allowed Hezbollah to lob rockets at Israel for years and, now, kidnap Israelis off their own territory

That makes no sense to me.
2006-08-05 17:31:52
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

PRiMACORD wrote:

More nonsensical comments. It doensn't matter who you supposedly target, it's the results that matter.
Quoted for irony.
2006-08-05 17:45:53
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6887|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

Sondernkommando wrote:

What people are saying is:  Israel should choose to let its own soldiers die rather than kill the Lebanese who:

1.  Have Hezbollah as part of their government
2.  Have Hezbollah as de facto government in the South
3.  Have allowed Hezbollah to lob rockets at Israel for years and, now, kidnap Israelis off their own territory

That makes no sense to me.
1.  It's none of their business who is in their government.  It is theirs to construct.
2.  Hezbollah is not the defacto government, try again.
3.  Their territory?  They stole it, and Hezbollah only kidnapped to get their prisoners back those prisoners that Israel promised to release ALMOST 3 DECADES AGO. 

Man are you blind...

How does the kidnapping of 2 soldiers justify killing 1000 civilians (1/2 of them children), destroying the Southern part of lebanon (whole towns and villages are now wiped out) and stopping aid to refugees?

Israel is what's wrong with the middle-east.  It always has been and always will.  As a Christian I will say this: it doesn't matter if they are the only Christian state there, they don't belong.  What they have they claimed by murder, theft, and displacement of the indigenous people.  That makes it a CRIMINAL STATE.  There are so many resolutions against Israel having to do with them ILLEGALLY taking land, murdering people, etc...  Israel has ignored every one except those that benefit them, they are so quick to quote UN resolution 1559:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/sc8181.doc.htm

And they only quote the part that calls for the disbanding of their military.  How advantageous to Israel that is, make sure they are they only one that has a military so they can continue their Zionist agenda.  I call BS on that one...

Why hasn't Israel complied with these resolutions:

* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for there immediate return.

HMMMM?????????

IMO, Israel in the middle-east=Nazi Germany in Europe.  They are both expansionist's who achieve their means by stealing land and murdering people.  They ignore the UN except when it suits them (resolution in their favor).  They force the indigenous people to live in squalor, forcing them to live in landfills without running water, electricity, medicine, food.  Why you might ask?

Because Israel stole their water, land, and means to survive.  They enforce that with their military.  Did you know that when a Palestinian builds a home Israel calls in the military and bulldozers to destroy it, most of the time with the people inside?  Did you know they routinely destroy the infrastructure of those neighboring it to try and push them out?

How can you be on here and justify what Israel does?  They are responsible for more mass genocide in the middle-east than anyone else...
2006-08-05 17:50:18
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver

Sondernkommando wrote:

What people are saying is:  Israel should choose to let its own soldiers die rather than kill the Lebanese who:

1.  Have Hezbollah as part of their government
2.  Have Hezbollah as de facto government in the South
3.  Have allowed Hezbollah to lob rockets at Israel for years and, now, kidnap Israelis off their own territory

That makes no sense to me.
1.  Is it only democracy if we approve of who they vote for, as well?  Also, Hezbollah only currently hold 11% of the seats in the Lebanese parliament.  Of course, they'll probably do better in the next round of elections, now that Israel has helped them look like heroes.
2.  Again, an unfortunate "side effect" of democracy.  Maybe they wouldn't be so popular if Israel hadn't occupied that area for nearly 20 years, then left behind >100,000 landmines when they pulled out, refusing to hand over maps of the mines' locations.
3.  Let's do some roleplaying here, shall we?  Me and my armed terrorist friends show up at your house with a rocket launcher.  Do you (a) wag your finger at me and die?  Or (b) keep your mouth shut and live?  Finally, how do you define "their own territory"?  The Israeli soldiers were captured in Southern Lebanon.

There are 1.4 billion Muslims on the planet.  Unless our goal is to basically wipe them out, we better start looking at winning some hearts and minds.  Always siding with Israel, even as they massacre hundreds, or thousands, of civilians is not going to do it.
2006-08-05 17:52:23
AllmightyOz
Member
+50|6729|United States - Ohio

HM1{N} wrote:

Why hasn't Israel complied with these resolutions:

* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for there immediate return.
Because Israel doesn't give a flying fuck. They realize the U.N. is gay.
2006-08-05 17:54:18
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|6943

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Thank God none of you are or ever will be world leaders. Civilian deaths are part of any war. I bet you that you would've argued against the US's involement in WW2 had we killed a few civilians in Nazi Germany. Isreal has been attacked and threatened throughout the decades and they are responding like they should...relentlessly. They are surrounded by countries that harbor terrorists that regularly attack Isreal, and there are even countries such as Iran proclaiming the annihilation of Isreal. They are responding the way the US should've responded after 9/11.
There are some fundamental differences between world war 2 and whats going on right now. World war 2 was a fight between established governments, using weapons that were relatively new and imprecise. The civilians in question fully supported (for the most part) the governments that were in conflict. Major military facilities (factories, depots, etc.)  were interspersed with civilian cities, and it's hard to not kill civilians when you're using unguided weapons dropped from 30000 feet. The modern Israeli military, on the other hand, is on of the best trained and equipped in the world. I've said it before, I find it hard to believe that they're doing their best to minimize collateral damage.

This conflict is not between two governments, it's between one government and a group of terrorists hiding inside the native population. If it was the government of Lebanon chucking rockets into Israel and abducting their soldiers, it might be a different story. But it's not, it's a minority of the population acting independently, and the Lebanese people as a whole should not be made to suffer for it.

Maybe Israel's strategy will work, I don't know. However, I find it more likely that Israel is just throwing gasoline on a fire.
2006-08-05 18:01:34
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889
HM1{N}, Isreal is not systematically exterminating an entire race (a key attribute of Nazi Germany). They are retaliating against terrorist attacks and kidnappings initiated by Hezbollah. This is how terror needs to be fought. We don't need hippies ignoring the reality of the situation just because there are civilian casualties. Isreal is making the message clear that if your nation harbors terrorists, especially those stupid enough to attack the most militarized nation in the world, this is how it will and needs to be dealt with.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-08-05 18:02:40)

2006-08-05 18:05:07
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

Skruples wrote:

There are some fundamental differences between world war 2 and whats going on right now. World war 2 was a fight between established governments, using weapons that were relatively new and imprecise. The civilians in question fully supported (for the most part) the governments that were in conflict. Major military facilities (factories, depots, etc.)  were interspersed with civilian cities, and it's hard to not kill civilians when you're using unguided weapons dropped from 30000 feet. The modern Israeli military, on the other hand, is on of the best trained and equipped in the world. I've said it before, I find it hard to believe that they're doing their best to minimize collateral damage.

This conflict is not between two governments, it's between one government and a group of terrorists hiding inside the native population. If it was the government of Lebanon chucking rockets into Israel and abducting their soldiers, it might be a different story. But it's not, it's a minority of the population acting independently, and the Lebanese people as a whole should not be made to suffer for it.

Maybe Israel's strategy will work, I don't know. However, I find it more likely that Israel is just throwing gasoline on a fire.
The point I was trying to make is that many in this thread are simply against any military conflict whatsoever just because of the unavoidable reality of civilian casualties. I'm not directly comparing the two conflicts themselves.
2006-08-05 18:05:56
Snipedya14
Dont tread on me
+77|6938|Mountains of West Virginia

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

They are retaliating against terrorist attacks and kidnappings initiated by Hezbollah. This is how terror needs to be dealt with
But by Israels reaction, do you seriously think Hezbollah will stop their attacks? Is this "brute force" not fueling the fire, that terror thrives on?

Last edited by Snipedya14 (2006-08-05 18:06:18)

2006-08-05 18:19:10
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

Snipedya14 wrote:

But by Israels reaction, do you seriously think Hezbollah will stop their attacks? Is this "brute force" not fueling the fire, that terror thrives on?
Personally, I believe that Isreal should not stop their invasion until Hezbollah is 100% neutralized. Lebanon has the choice of doing it themselves, or having Isreal potentially destroy their entire infrastructure in doing so. Either is acceptable.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-08-05 18:20:00)

2006-08-05 18:24:49
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6887|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

AllmightyOz wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

Why hasn't Israel complied with these resolutions:

* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for there immediate return.
Because Israel doesn't give a flying fuck. They realize the U.N. is gay.
Exactly, they don't give a fuck...unless it benefits them.  That's why all their representative on T.V. quote Res. 1559 all the time now, it benefits them.  They absolutely refuse to abide by any resolution that does not further their Zionist agenda
2006-08-05 18:31:38
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6887|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

HM1{N}, Isreal is not systematically exterminating an entire race (a key attribute of Nazi Germany). They are retaliating against terrorist attacks and kidnappings initiated by Hezbollah. This is how terror needs to be fought. We don't need hippies ignoring the reality of the situation just because there are civilian casualties. Isreal is making the message clear that if your nation harbors terrorists, especially those stupid enough to attack the most militarized nation in the world, this is how it will and needs to be dealt with.
You know, the Jews weren't the only ones killed in WWII.  The Germans murdered millions of people of other religions also, yet they are only famous for killing Jews. 

They are not retaliating against terrorist attacks.  Israel started it's military campaign because 2 soldiers were kidnapped.  It wasn't until after that that Hezbollah started lobbing rockets in response to the Israeli military attacking Lebanon.

I am not a hippie, and YOU are the one ignoring the reality of the situation: Israel is systematically killing civilians, mostly children, as they destroy WHOLE TOWNS/CITIES in Lebanon.  There is nothing left there, it is genocide plain and simple.

The fact of the matter is that Israel still has Lebanese prisoners in their jails that they were supposed to release almost 3 decades ago.  That's OK though, right?  They are Israel so they can do whatever they want.

If you really believe that this is the way kidnapping needs to be dealt with, then I suggest you move to Israel, you obviously don't have the right mentality to live anywhere else.

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2006-08-05 18:31:57
Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6718|Foothills of S. Carolina

I have a question. Everyone keeps talking about Lebanese civilian casualties, and how the Israeli Army is targeting civilians with arty and air strikes rather than using ground troops in conventional style warfare, but has anyone actually seen a Hezbollah Military uniform???? I've searched for some time, and I just cant seem to find a picture of one. So I am curious how the Israeli Army is supposed to differentiate between the civilians and Hezbollah when the are apparently dressed the same and the Hezbollah are using civilian areas as bases of operations????
2006-08-05 18:38:48
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

HM1{N} wrote:

Exactly, they don't give a fuck...unless it benefits them.  That's why all their representative on T.V. quote Res. 1559 all the time now, it benefits them.  They absolutely refuse to abide by any resolution that does not further their Zionist agenda
Since you obviously have an extremely skewed perception of the situation, allow me to word this as eloquently as possible. Isreal is retaliating against terrorism. Lebanon harbors terrorists that attack Isreal. The alternative would be to sit back and do nothing, while their country gets routinely attacked by missiles and suicide bombers, and their citizens kidnapped. The entire region has been hostile towards Isreal throughout history, and just recently the president of Iran has proclaimed its annihilation.

HM1{N} wrote:

I am not a hippie, and YOU are the one ignoring the reality of the situation: Israel is systematically killing civilians, mostly children, as they destroy WHOLE TOWNS/CITIES in Lebanon.
Quoted for more irony. Isreal is fighting an enemy that hides behind its own civilians. They launch rockets from civilian neighborhoods, that is why civilian towns are being destroyed. One could attribute the majority of civilian casualties in this conflict to the cowardice of Hezbollah. Isreal is not directly targeting nor eterminating the civilian population.

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2006-08-05 18:50:36
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6887|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

Exactly, they don't give a fuck...unless it benefits them.  That's why all their representative on T.V. quote Res. 1559 all the time now, it benefits them.  They absolutely refuse to abide by any resolution that does not further their Zionist agenda
Since you obviously have an extremely skewed perception of the situation, allow me to word this as eloquently as possible. Isreal is retaliating against terrorism. Lebanon harbors terrorists that attack Isreal. The alternative would be to sit back and do nothing, while their country gets routinely attacked by missiles and suicide bombers, and their citizens kidnapped. The entire region has been hostile towards Isreal throughout history, and just recently the president of Iran has proclaimed its annihilation.
Since you obviously have an extreme love for Israel and a blindess for the truth, allow ME to word this as eloquently as possible.

Israel is a terrorist state that uses it's military on a daily basis to murder innocent civilians, always with some BS excuse for a reason.

If 2 of our soldiers get kidnapped, do we go and wipe out innocent civilians like Israel?  NO
Does any other state or country in this world do that?  NO

Israel gets routinely attacked because THEY STOLE THE LAND.  Plain and simple.  If there was no Israel, there would be no problem.  If you steal my land and murder my family, I'm going to be hostile to you also and yes, I'm going to kill you.

How's that for eloquent?
2006-08-05 18:52:53
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

HM1{N} wrote:

Israel is a terrorist state that uses it's military on a daily basis to murder innocent civilians, always with some BS excuse for a reason.
Let's all point and laugh.
2006-08-05 18:54:00
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6887|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

Israel is a terrorist state that uses it's military on a daily basis to murder innocent civilians, always with some BS excuse for a reason.
Let's all point and laugh.
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
2006-08-05 18:57:30
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6780|Long Island, New York

HM1{N} wrote:

Israel gets routinely attacked because THEY STOLE THE LAND.  Plain and simple.  If there was no Israel, there would be no problem.  If you steal my land and murder my family, I'm going to be hostile to you also and yes, I'm going to kill you.
And you don't think arabs killed/attacked jews before the creation of Israel? It's not because they stole their land. Normal people would be able to work together, and understand the circumstances of why the jews had to go there after all the predjudice and pretty much genocide of them in WW2. No. They can't. Because they're jewish (or even if they were christian, they wouldn't care) the arabs hate them.

And about the whole killing civilians part:

One difference.

Israel ISN'T trying to kill civilians, Hezbollah is.

Plus, what war have you EVER seen where civilians haven't been unintentionally killed?

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2006-08-05 19:05:28
PunkX
stoned
+198|6866|Canada
Isreal should invest in some Cartillery.
2006-08-05 19:08:24
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6887|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

Poseidon wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

Israel gets routinely attacked because THEY STOLE THE LAND.  Plain and simple.  If there was no Israel, there would be no problem.  If you steal my land and murder my family, I'm going to be hostile to you also and yes, I'm going to kill you.
And you don't think arabs killed/attacked jews before the creation of Israel? It's not because they stole their land. Normal people would be able to work together, and understand the circumstances of why the jews had to go there after all the predjudice and pretty much genocide of them in WW2. No. They can't. Because they're jewish (or even if they were christian, they wouldn't care) the arabs hate them.

And about the whole killing civilians part:

One difference.

Israel ISN'T trying to kill civilians, Hezbollah is.

Plus, what war have you EVER seen where civilians haven't been unintentionally killed?
They are hated because this has been the cycle for Millenium.  I'm not giving another history lesson here, but it started in the 3rd Millenium BC when the Jews FIRST emmigrated to that land, and systematically murdered the people who lived there, stealing their land in the process.

The Jews were the aggressors FIRST.  That's why they are hated so much.  This cycle of theirs continues to this day.  WWII was bad, but you know what?  That's a bullshit trump card to use for 60+ years.  Why should we give a shit now when Israel is just as bad now as Germany was then?

And in answer to your point: Israel IS intentionally targetting civilians.  They do it all the time because they don't give a shit, they are killing muslims after all.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 … 20,00.html

That about sums it up, Israel doesn't give a shit about innocents.

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2006-08-05 19:09:18
xX[Elangbam]Xx
Member
+107|6940
Propaganda, or pornoganda to those sick ppl that jack off to dead ppl
2006-08-05 19:10:39
JG1567JG
Member
+110|6831|United States of America
HM1{N} wrote:
They are not retaliating against terrorist attacks.  Israel started it's military campaign because 2 soldiers were kidnapped.  It wasn't until after that that Hezbollah started lobbing rockets in response to the Israeli military attacking Lebanon.
So do your consider Hezbolloh going into Israel territory killing and kidnapping their soldiers to be a terrorist attack on Israel or a peace offer. Hezbollah started fireing their rockets before Israel bombed Southern Lebanon.

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