BF2S Forums Minimum Wage Bills Can't Get Past Senate

Minimum wage increase will hurt small business.

the whole debate is a shame - a whole "damned if you do, damned if you don't"

on one side the ppl that need higher wages could get it but then the rich get a estate tax cut on their multimillion dollar house - all the while the votes are handled by men and women that have plenty of money - bring in couple of blue collar workers that know what working for the dollar means and let them decide what bills to make and what bills to vote on

and the "death tax" is so unbelieveable - after he passed on he had some money saved in a account for me and my sister but it got taxed - a good amount of it too

my grandfather worked hard his entire life and they taxed his social security check {just makes me sick to my stomach} I had to help him out in his last days mostly take him to the grocery store or anywhere he needed [ he didn't like driving after my grandmother passed on a year earlier] I was 16 at the time and every time he got his S.S. check, he hated to open it bc he knew it was taxed - all those years of hard work and they still tax him in his golden years

True Grape. Whats your opinion of the current min in America?

Alexanderthegrape wrote:

Minimum wage increase will hurt small business.

Walmart hurts small business, but yeah I agree with you on that - my father runs a small western retail store and we start out little higher then minium wage and we offer insurance - if the minimum shot up, new employees would want to start out at a higher wage

I doubt they make that much.

Luckily most people in America aren't untrained illegal aliens and so don't make that little.

Nice Dubbs. I feel "career politician" is an oxymoron. Law should be 8 years. Period.

it is not meant as a means to support someone, it is the base amount meant for the likes of teenagers out for their first job and still dependents of their parents, an increase basically boils down to a small business tax, 3 things will immediately happen if this ridiculous "vote for me" bill gets passed:
A) a serious increase in inflation, the cost of all goods and services will skyrocket, effectively lowering the pay of the entire nation

B)many of the currently employed at or near the minimum wage will be fired, unless you found a magic way to increase every business's payroll budget without an increase in product/service sales

C) even more jobs will end up being pushed outside the borders and into cheaper labor market

Yes there was a time when I was homeless, I was making above minimum wage at all 3 of my jobs (added up to about 65-70 hours of work a week), and I still was barely "making enough to live off of", the idea that you should support yourself and/or a family off of one minimum wage job flopping whoppers is ludicrous, get some fucking initiative, be fucking responsible, and maybe at the very least try getting another job for supplemental income

minimum wage is for those new to the job market, minimum wage is for those new to the job market, minimum wage is for those new to the job market, minimum wage is for those new to the job market

We should measure welfare's success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added.
Ronald Reagan

hand ups, not hand outs, people

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-08-03 22:29:55)

kr@cker wrote:

We should measure welfare's success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added.
Ronald Reagan

I like the quote.  Most people stay on Welfare because it provides a better life for them.


As you stated Kr@cker, most companies are leaving the American shores, because of the cost of labor, even though this will not effect most large companies that are doing this, we will see some more outsourcing.  I have been a victim of outsourcing, and I know that it was not to rebuild the company as we were told.  Most of the employees at that company took pay cuts.  Another person that I know took a 25% pay cut.  Why?  So that the CEO can get a 2 million dollar bonus at the end of the year.  This is more about the rich wanting to be richer.  If we look back in history, we will notice that leadership changes when this occurs.  America was born because King George wanted to become richer.  Soon the oppressed people will rise up, and overcome our government that has became for the corporation by the corporation.

On a side note, I heard that Wal-Mart was pushing this bill stating that they would like their employees to be able to receive proper health insurance.  They stated that they could not provide employees with proper health insurance, or wages that would allow them, and compete if this did not happen.  Not to long ago, about a month ago, they quit supporting the bill.  Wonder if it was because they thought it would pass, and then make it's way back to them when they raise the price of their low price (and quality) products.  I personally blame Wal-Mart for the state that the American economy is.  They were one of the first companies to push for products made over seas.  (Then sell it with the tag Made in USA, when referring to the sticker, not the product)

Thanks for the comment, Mason4Assassin444.

In the UK for 22 and over it's £5.05, or $9.55.  For 18 to 21 it's £4.25, or $8.04.

In the Republic of Ireland the min wage is €7.65 per hour. That's nearly $10 an hour. Ireland FTW.

The highest in Canada was Nunavut at 8.50, but Alberta's recent economic growth might have surpassed that.
The lowest is New Brunswick at 6.50.
There are other rules like 'inexperienced minimum wage and all that crap that lets employers bend the rules.
Canadian Minimum Wages.  That's wiki, but might not be entirely up to date.

What happens to current employees if minimum wage is raised (especially smaller businesses) and new employees get paid more when they start?  If someone has been working in some company for, say, 6 months, and they've passed a 'probationary period', meaning they've done their training and can't be fired on a whim anymore, they get a slight raise, then the MW goes up and new people start at what the current employee just got a raise to.  Theoretically the employee feels he/she should be bumped up according to the new scale - the new employee will be making more than the old one after they work through their probationary period.  Sorry, rambling, you get the drift.