BF2S Forums BF2ROE: The End Of Fun

Wasder wrote:

This whole ROE thing is like if Valve would "restrict" using AWP in CS, threatening a Steam ID ban, cause so many n00bs don't like to be 1 shot killed. Or "restrict" using your friend to lift you up to get to some good camping spots.
If you got a CS server, you may do whatever you want on it. You may set any custom maps, run mods, like zombie escape or deathmatch, and of course restrict the use of certain weapons, if you feel like it. But there is NO stupid global rules you must follow. The only rule is not to cheat, and that's about it.

The interesting thing to note here (if I'm not mistaken) is that valve is not forcing "ranked" servers upon their customers whereas the EA model is virtually forced upon us (yes I know that we have a choice to play unranked but then we loose unlocks which is their way of ensuring that the business model they have developed will be mostly utilized by the masses).  As far as I know, Valve does not loose money by allowing any type of gameplay or mods it customers want, whereas, EA/Dice stands to lose revenue if the larger base of gamers shifts away from it's ranked server base since they are gaining revenue from all of the ranked servers. 

The revenue they stand to gain from us is the very reason that they are trying so hard to limit our options.

Please correct me if I am wrong but this is the way it seems to me....

Last edited by ShotYourSix (2006-06-27 04:41:35)

H4mm3r wrote:

Cougar,


I am sending this message through Hammer as I have been a very bad boy.


Wow man.  You have seen what is really happening.  I couldn't think of a better word than "ephiphany".

I know that you have made some negative posts about me in the past but I hope you can put them aside for just a moment and take a chance to speak with me.

I can show you a side to this game and gaming that you have never seen before.  You will have more fun with this game and be better off I guarentee.

I honestly hope you will accept.....hey, if you give me a chance you made a friend.....if you hate me no matter what, you get to take a piece of me.  Either way you win!

I promise you will not be abused or restricted to say what you want and finish what you say.

Write Hammer back and he will send you the TS if you are interested. 

BUTLER

As long as you refrain from calling yourself THE BUTLER or speaking in the third person, I'm in,  I used to think you were a prick, but now, after tonight and talking with a BF2RS admin for about an hour, I see differently.  You TOP guys were absoultly right, and I do apologize for any ignorance to the facts I may have displayed in the past.  I am a forgiving man and it appears you are as well.

Hammer, give Nasty my xfire if you would please sir, or just PM the TS IP.  I'm ready to own the smurfs like 1.03 intended me too.

welcome to the dark side Cougar. And yet our community is still growing

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

ok about arty:

ROE says no Arty on main base right? where is enemy arty? main base 90% of the maps

there is no rule saying you can not arty enemy base. READ THE FUCKING THING AGAIN!

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

WHY THE FUCK DO THEY NEED AN ROE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?!? If something shouldn't be done, then code it out.

Because you can't code out K/P or infantry only servers, Most of the rules are things that cant be coded out, AND MOST OF THE FUCKING RULES YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT AGAIN ARE NOT AGAINST THE FUCKING ROE!!! everyone in this fucking thread is dim witted ignorant fool who reads what cougar said and takes it as being fucking Gospel. Firstly there are 3 sections to the ROE, the first are rules for ALL FUCKING SERVER, mostly to do with server settings and stat padding. The second is to do with EA official servers ONLY, and the third is allowed rules that servers can use, But don't have to. WHYS EVERYONE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE THIRD SECTION.

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

I mean fuck everymove everythrow every little fucking shot, jump or ballscratch had to be coded in at somepoint so if you didnt want people EXPLORING ADAPTING AND OVERCOMING then dont allow them too. Guess what would happen little petty EA, YOU would have a dickless game on your hands. No one aside from the 7-9 age group would pick it up.

cause making an infantry only server is overcoming.. STFU if your an ignorant sheep.

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

I dunno when i bought this game i had ZERO intentions on playing fair, jihad, chopper whore, spawn camp fuckin rights!!! Watching people get cut down from "tactically" smart decisions make me smile. There is a HUGE difference between stat-padding and camping or blackhawk whoring and i really dont think these people making up the ROE understand this.

READ THE FUCKING ROE AGAIN, everything you mentioned is allowed, unless a specific server says its not.

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

Personally i work hard all fucking day, come home put the kids to bed, try to put the wife to bed and i log on and i wanna fuck shit up...no rules, no bitching, no holdsbarred.

Your bloody dumb and immature and will believe anything anyone puts in front of you for some one who has a wife and kids, maybe go and finish high school??

Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-06-27 05:51:52)

DrunkFace, you are fighting a lost battle. People are going to believe what they want anyway.

Discussing the RoE here won't change anything. If you really want to give serious input, go to the bf2rs forums and voice your opinion there. As far as I know, the guys at bf2rs encourage such debate.

rants don't help

Well I just read the entire rules of engagement and couldn't see any problems. Most of the rules people are complaining about are optional clan run server rules which you don't have to play on if you don't like their rules.

There's nothing I can see that in any way bothered me.

§ Using the Transport Helicopters to take flags (Blackhawk whoring or flag hopping).

Can I just say that I think it is fucking comedy that in EA's "official" Rules of Engagement document they use the word 'whoring'. I am contemplating to which person or group of people in some kind of journalistic role it would be worth telling about this. Obviously we all understand what they mean by this and it slips under the radar because it's used in the community so much, but someone outside of the community with the frame of mind to cause damage to EA could use this simple word in the media to really give Ea a hard time.

On another positive note this may mean the ROE would be taken down for some time too

corce hatches his evil plot...

Last edited by c0rce (2006-06-27 07:54:34)

I would like to just point out that some of the "rules" you posted were not apart of the globally enforced "rules of engagement," I am by no means endorsing these rules... they are retarded for the most part and the people that enforce them are power starved whores as well. But as for some of the rules: knife/pistol servers, and admins not allowed to kick for commander/vehicles make sense to me. They don't enforce those 2 rules though now do they?

Keyword: Private, as in entirely optional

3 LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER RULES MODIFICATIONS

These are rules that are not enforced upon in EA’s public ranked servers but may be modified in privately rented ranked servers. These rules are decided by clan administrators for those servers and as long as they do not contradict any global rules enforced by EA are considered valid for those servers.

This would include but not limited to:

    * § Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited.
    * § Prolonged or sustained attacks on main (uncapturable) bases (i.e. spawncamping).
    * § Using the Transport Helicopters to take flags (Blackhawk whoring or flag hopping).
    * § Impersonating clan members.
    * § Using C4 on jeeps, or other fast moving vehicles to take out other vehicles.
    * § Clans may change or customise rules, provided they don’t violate the above ROE rules.

DrunkFace wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

ok about arty:

ROE says no Arty on main base right? where is enemy arty? main base 90% of the maps

there is no rule saying you can not arty enemy base. READ THE FUCKING THING AGAIN!

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

WHY THE FUCK DO THEY NEED AN ROE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?!? If something shouldn't be done, then code it out.

Because you can't code out K/P or infantry only servers, Most of the rules are things that cant be coded out, AND MOST OF THE FUCKING RULES YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT AGAIN ARE NOT AGAINST THE FUCKING ROE!!! everyone in this fucking thread is dim witted ignorant fool who reads what cougar said and takes it as being fucking Gospel. Firstly there are 3 sections to the ROE, the first are rules for ALL FUCKING SERVER, mostly to do with server settings and stat padding. The second is to do with EA official servers ONLY, and the third is allowed rules that servers can use, But don't have to. WHYS EVERYONE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE THIRD SECTION.

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

I mean fuck everymove everythrow every little fucking shot, jump or ballscratch had to be coded in at somepoint so if you didnt want people EXPLORING ADAPTING AND OVERCOMING then dont allow them too. Guess what would happen little petty EA, YOU would have a dickless game on your hands. No one aside from the 7-9 age group would pick it up.

cause making an infantry only server is overcoming.. STFU if your an ignorant sheep.

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

I dunno when i bought this game i had ZERO intentions on playing fair, jihad, chopper whore, spawn camp fuckin rights!!! Watching people get cut down from "tactically" smart decisions make me smile. There is a HUGE difference between stat-padding and camping or blackhawk whoring and i really dont think these people making up the ROE understand this.

READ THE FUCKING ROE AGAIN, everything you mentioned is allowed, unless a specific server says its not.

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

Personally i work hard all fucking day, come home put the kids to bed, try to put the wife to bed and i log on and i wanna fuck shit up...no rules, no bitching, no holdsbarred.

Your bloody dumb and immature and will believe anything anyone puts in front of you for some one who has a wife and kids, maybe go and finish high school??

Seriously...i would love to know how much EA/Dice are paying you to be their tool?!?!...To be in love with the ROE it must be in the 4-5 digit....

Can i ask what the fuck IndianScout deos?

Let's nuke the ROE

+1 to Cougar for one helluva venting session.

sad fuckers at the BF2ROE what ever its called. I dont care to be honest about the rules, its a game ffs do what you want