l41e
Member
+677|7025

That's right. Body armor isn't an excuse for losing a firefight. If you are a spec-ops with a G36C (changed since somehow that connected this to the G36E topic, don't ask me), and you lose to an assault player with the F2000, do not type into global chat, "well you had body armor so of course you won noob". Nor should you delude yourself into thinking as such. Why, you ask? It is a big Kevlar bullet-proof vest, no? It should stop bullets, no? Well, let's dive into the wonderful world of the Wiki, which will help you in BF2 far more than real life.

Take the MP5A3, the default weapon for the USMC Anti-Tank class and my most used weapon in the entire game. With 19 damage, it takes 6 shots to take down an un-armored target and 8 to down an armored one. 2 whole shots, woo woo. It takes an AT soldier less than 0.135 of a second to fire off those extra 2 shots.

Or the MG36. This does 30 damage. Thus, it takes 4 shots to kill an un-armored targets and 5 to kill an armored one. How long extra will it take this machine-gunner to mow your ass down? Exactly one-tenth of a second.

In fact, using the MG36 as an example again, the only two examples that I have seen in my 160+ hours of play (this may not be much compared to you, but still quite a bit to be running around shooting stuff, hm?) is when the gunner has 4 rounds left in his C-Mag, or he sucks and can't hit for shit.

[end information/rant thing]

Last edited by k30dxedle (2006-06-19 10:35:10)

elmo1337
Banned
+186|6936|The real world
Ok, sorry.
l41e
Member
+677|7025

Uh...sorry for what...? I wasn't accusing anyone.
PspRpg-7
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+961|7074

Mhmm, one tenth of a second can make a helluva difference.
Dauntless
Admin
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elmo1337 wrote:

Ok, sorry.
rofl
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jord
Member
+2,382|7054|The North, beyond the wall.
I'm sorry to.

But if you miss it doesn't take .1 second to kill them it could take longer or if you need to reload they can get you then.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7029
you want my honest opinion?

Stop raging a f*cking holy war against G36E's and learn how to make a headshot already! You know how you win? Quick aiming. You know how you win? Clever tactics.

stop blaming the f*cking gun! It's down to YOU! NOT THE GODDAMN GUN

Do you want AT to beat medics, assault, or supports?

well, tough! Stick to a squad, you're not supposed to mow down infantry as AT.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
PspRpg-7
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+961|7074

SargeV1.4 wrote:

you want my honest opinion?

Stop raging a f*cking holy war against G36E's and learn how to make a headshot already! You know how you win? Quick aiming. You know how you win? Clever tactics.

stop blaming the f*cking gun! It's down to YOU! NOT THE GODDAMN GUN

Do you want AT to beat medics, assault, or supports?

well, tough! Stick to a squad, you're not supposed to mow down infantry as AT.
AK-101 FTW! CS taught me to aim for the face.
l41e
Member
+677|7025

Ok...a couple things. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, maybe people hate me, I don't know.

1. I don't only use AT. Yes I use other classes, ZOMG.
2. This wasn't supposed to be connected to the G36E thread. If the G36E reference in the first thread put you off, then I'm the one who's sorry, I shouldn't have put that there. But this thread was supposed to be about body armor.
3. I know how to make headshots thank you very much.
4. I DO stick to squads. Check the BF2S Servers section or my stats if you don't believe me.
5. It's not totally up to me, and I never said it was totally up to the fucking gun. If it were completely up to me, TBH I would probably be worse than most people here, and I admit that. But it isn't, and that's why there are different guns...

Edit: There we go. I changed the first sentence.

Last edited by k30dxedle (2006-06-19 10:35:40)

Ac1dh0u$3
Member
+7|7019|Northern Ireland
I Didnt Know About The Body Amour Thing On Certin Classes

But Are You Trying To Say That 1/10 Of A Second Cant Make The Differance IN  A FIRE FIGHT ?

Of Course It Can.... 1/10 Of A Second Is Loads Of Time....

Last edited by Ac1dh0u$3 (2006-06-19 10:39:00)

Longbow
Member
+163|7023|Odessa, Ukraine

SargeV1.4 wrote:

holy war against G36E's
rofl
l41e
Member
+677|7025

I am NOT trying to say that 1/10 of a second does not make a difference. I am just saying that it does not make as big of a difference as some people would have you think.
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|7086|Wilmington, DE, US

k30dxedle wrote:

Take the MP5A3, the default weapon for the USMC Anti-Tank class and my most used weapon in the entire game. With 19 damage, it takes 6 shots to take down an un-armored target and 8 to down an armored one. 2 whole shots, woo woo. It takes an AT soldier less than 0.135 of a second to fire off those extra 2 shots.
You're an idiot for using the MP5.
l41e
Member
+677|7025

Thank you for your opinion, conveniently stated as fact.

Could a mod fucking close this please? I now see that NO ONE here is going to ever get my point.
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|7086|Wilmington, DE, US
No, you have a point on the body armor, I agree. However an insistance on using the most worthless gun in the game is, well, stupid.
l41e
Member
+677|7025

Well, I mainly use it for fun actually. It seems that some people get pissed off when I kill them with SMGs, apparently they treat it like a defib kill or something... I dunno...I guess I use it to entertain myself and my squad. I've had squad members laugh over VOIP when I killed someone with the SMG.
Talon
Stop reading this and look at my post
+341|7137
You take 8 shots to kill me (M4), I take 3 to kill you (G3 or AK) if we both runr ound a corner, whos gonna win? Its not the body armour that makes a difference, its the low powered guns. Medic v Spec Ops is the same odds as Assault v Spec Ops.
Last2Stand
Member
+7|6906
i get your point, some people just cant handle the responsibility of being responsible for aiming....

people kill people, guns are just tools used by people.
Dauntless
Admin
+2,249|7119|London

I just got minus karma for saying rofl

To that I say rofl!
https://imgur.com/kXTNQ8D.png
l41e
Member
+677|7025

(Talon)

And that's why I use it for fun. When I do kill someone, it's fun for me. If they kill me while I'm shooting at them with the MP5, then hell, it's fun for them, whatever.

Although I have noticed one thing good, using SMGs has made me better with other weapons. I don't know why, I guess I'm more cautious and more inclined to make more of my shots count.

Last edited by k30dxedle (2006-06-19 10:52:10)

Mj.Blindfisch
Bulletdrop-Buddha
+338|7073|Germany

k30dxedle wrote:

Body armor isn't an excuse for losing a firefight.
That's right,body armor isn't an excuse,ping is...
Impaqt
Member
+37|7014|Chicago, Il
.125 seconds...   Not a big difference..  Hmmmmmm..   That liske saying someone with a 75ping has no advantage over someone with a 200 ping....
l41e
Member
+677|7025

k30dxedle wrote:

I am NOT trying to say that 1/10 of a second does not make a difference. I am just saying that it does not make as big of a difference as some people would have you think.
Read FFS.

I wonder if there's a mod on. I want my topic closed.

Last edited by k30dxedle (2006-06-19 10:58:02)

iPoon.be
Internet Poon
+145|6906|Belgium

k30dxedle wrote:

Uh...sorry for what...? I wasn't accusing anyone.
You can never be too carefull
Annhilation
Member
+5|6959
Yea I hear Lag and dude I don't think any one wants too listen to you bitch just because you have a poor k/d ratio seeing as you probably lose most of you fire fights you probably never have heard anyone say well that is because an AT has armor and shouldn't this be under complain?

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