RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6570|Oxford
This is fun...

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/ … urs_en.htm

You try and find it..
remo
Member
+20|6578
You won't be able to.  Planes evaporate when they hit WALLS OF SOLID GRANITE at 500 MPH.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6749|The United Center
Yeah.  It was completely vaporized.  That's what happens to 100 tons of reinforced steel when it hits WALLS OF SOLID GRANITE at 500 MPH.
TriggerHappy998
just nothing
+387|6849|-
Planes do not vaporize. Anyone that has seen any plane wreck knows that.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6749|The United Center
I like when people don't understand sarcasm.
remo
Member
+20|6578
Not knowing the facts?  Uh, ok.  You're ignorant.

The Pentagon isn't your average building.  Flying anything at it at a high rate of speed is the same thing as flying into the face of a mountain.  The mountain is going to laugh at you and stay there ... and whatever was being flown at it would be ripped to small pieces.

Take a look at the pictures again.  What do you see?  Small pieces of airplane and the Pentagon largely still intact. 

THEY FOUND THE FLIGHT RECORDER.  THEY FOUND BODY PARTS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE AIRLINER.  GET OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORY.
RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6570|Oxford
For the record I'm not saying this is a conspiracy thoery but it is interesting how it all seems a bit odd...

http://www.911inplanesite.com/
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6551|Southeastern USA
Standard operating procedure in a plane crash is to hit the big ass button usually on the cockpit wall that says "FUEL DUMP", this is so when the plane does stop moving, you're not hit by a wall of burning fuel in your wake, the terrorists chose these flights because they were long distance flights and would be loaded with as much fuel as possible. Jet fuels have one of the highest octane ratings around and CAN vaporize the lightweight alloys used in aircraft construction, many of the commercial ones being based on some form of aluminum. You can test this yourself simply by taking an aluminum beer can, drinking the beer, tossing it on a campfire, then promptly stumbling face first into the coals. Seriously though, some of you may work with torches and aluminum in body shops or even constucting your nerd cred case mods can do this.


Reinforced steel is too heavy to make a plane out of, anyone knows that.

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-06-03 09:12:09)

Trel
Member
+70|6679
Good to be back.
RonnY[NL]
Chanetoy Dugali
+309|6713|Groningen / Netherlands
it was no boeing that hit the pentagon because it would have atleast destroyed more then what has been destroyed at the pentagon, only the first wall was destroyed if it was a boeing it would have destroyed the 2e and 3e wall (office) whatever it is in there
remo
Member
+20|6578
Here's a couple more interesting bits:

http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4 … t_slow.mov
http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4crashtest.mov

http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4 … t_slow.mpg
http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4crashtest.mpg

So, do tell me, since you seem to be the professor of physics here.  An F4 moving at 320 MPH vaporizes when hitting a reinforced concrete wall like that of a nuclear reactor's cooling tower.  A 757 moving at 500+ MPH with a full load of gas hitting the reinforced walls of the Pentagon does not?  I think you need to recheck there, Mr. Smartey.

(Edit: fixed link)

Last edited by remo (2006-06-03 09:15:07)

kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6551|Southeastern USA

remo wrote:

Here's a couple more interesting bits:

http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4 … t_slow.mov
http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4crashtest.mov

http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4 … t_slow.mpg
http://www.sandia.gov/media/mov_mpg/f_4crashtest.mpg

So, do tell me, since you seem to be the professor of physics here.  An F4 moving at 320 MPH vaporizes when hitting a reinforced concrete wall like that of a nuclear reactor's cooling tower.  A 757 moving at 500+ MPH with a full load of gas hitting the reinforced walls of the Pentagon does not?  I think you need to recheck there, Mr. Smartey.

(Edit: fixed link)
Physics are mother natures way of telling libs to STFU!
eusgen
Nugget
+402|6794|Jupiter

remo wrote:

Not knowing the facts?  Uh, ok.  You're ignorant.

The Pentagon isn't your average building.  Flying anything at it at a high rate of speed is the same thing as flying into the face of a mountain.  The mountain is going to laugh at you and stay there ... and whatever was being flown at it would be ripped to small pieces.

Take a look at the pictures again.  What do you see?  Small pieces of airplane and the Pentagon largely still intact. 

THEY FOUND THE FLIGHT RECORDER.  THEY FOUND BODY PARTS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE AIRLINER.  GET OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORY.
Get rid of the r in your name and thats why i am not gonna listen to you... remo-r=emo.
the_ubernoob_
Member
+8|6745
Ok terror mongers, I'll tell you why you can't find the plane.  After breaking through the first wall, the Pentagon's defense computer realised that the plane would cause an unacceptable amount of damage.  Therefore the Pentagon generated a micro-blackhole for a fraction of a second to negate the possiblitity of the plane destroying half the building.

Last edited by the_ubernoob_ (2006-06-03 09:23:07)

remo
Member
+20|6578

(EUS)Gen.BadSnipaDay wrote:

Get rid of the r in your name and thats why i am not gonna listen to you... remo-r=emo.
Thanks for the constructive criticism.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6718

(EUS)Gen.BadSnipaDay wrote:

remo wrote:

Not knowing the facts?  Uh, ok.  You're ignorant.

The Pentagon isn't your average building.  Flying anything at it at a high rate of speed is the same thing as flying into the face of a mountain.  The mountain is going to laugh at you and stay there ... and whatever was being flown at it would be ripped to small pieces.

Take a look at the pictures again.  What do you see?  Small pieces of airplane and the Pentagon largely still intact. 

THEY FOUND THE FLIGHT RECORDER.  THEY FOUND BODY PARTS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE AIRLINER.  GET OVER THE CONSPIRACY THEORY.
Get rid of the r in your name and thats why i am not gonna listen to you... remo-r=emo.
rofl...
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
ShellShock.PwN
Member
+31|6789|Barrie Ontario
o yea thats right a boeing 757 is the same size as an F4....an F4 moving at 320 MPH is almsot the same as a Boeing 757 prolly twice the size maybe triple the size moving at 500 mph. Concrete isnt that stong to hold back a huge plane from only doing that small of damage.

Last edited by ShellShock.PwN (2006-06-03 09:27:35)

RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6570|Oxford
This kind of covers everything...

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/gua … hit-it.htm

...fascinating stuff!
remo
Member
+20|6578

kr@cker wrote:

the terrorists chose these flights because they were long distance flights and would be loaded with as much fuel as possible. Jet fuels have one of the highest octane ratings around and CAN vaporize the lightweight alloys used in aircraft construction, many of the commercial ones being based on some form of aluminum.
DING!  Correct!

And where is this fuel stored?  In the wings.  Why aren't the wings there?  Because the fuel ignited and exploded.

kr@cker wrote:

Reinforced steel is too heavy to make a plane out of, anyone knows that.
DING!  Correct again!  Planes aren't like buildings ... they have some reinforced pieces that endure most of the stress ... landing gear, wings, fuselage.  When the wings are gone, you have the fuselage ... whoa, like a missile!!  What a coincedence!!  A missile hit the Pentagon!!!

If a missle hit the Pentagon, that's the biggest f'in cruise missile I've ever seen.
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6544|Outer Space
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w010704.htm
Where be jet?

It is suspicious though, that the wings did not seem to impact the Pentagon. But I am no aviation expert, so I don't know what happens when a plane crashes into a building like that.

It's so difficult to be neutral lately. And now excuse me, I have to go deal with a trojan I picked up somewhere in the last 5 minutes.

Edit: edited link now until I find out where i got the trojan
Edit2: restored it, I hope it didn't come from that site. tell me if you have any problems.

Last edited by Sorcerer0513 (2006-06-03 09:59:24)

ShellShock.PwN
Member
+31|6789|Barrie Ontario
that link you have is amazing +1.
remo
Member
+20|6578

ShellShock.PwN wrote:

o yea thats right a boeing 757 is the same size as an F4....an F4 moving at 320 MPH is almsot the same as a Boeing 757 prolly twice the size maybe triple the size moving at 500 mph. Concrete isnt that stong to hold back a huge plane from only doing that small of damage.
Thanks for pointing that out.  Of course they're not the same size ... they are, however, of similar construction.  If you flew an F4 at the Pentagon you wouldn't have seen nearly the type of damage ... you would have seen a small fire and a black spot, like in the videos I posted above.

The Pentagon isn't concrete.  It's a building constructed of reinforced concrete walls, upgraded with bomb-resistant kevlar, bolted steel beams and 2 inch thick bulletproof and bomb-resistant windows.  Ie. a bunker.
remo
Member
+20|6578

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

It is suspicious though, that the wings did not seem to impact the Pentagon.
They probably did ... there just wasn't anything left of them.  You're not going to see a "mark" like that on the WTC ... the Pentagon, again, is of completely different construction.  It was made to withstand such a destructive force.  It's the damn center of the U.S. military!
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6551|Southeastern USA

RicardoBlanco wrote:

This kind of covers everything...

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/gua … hit-it.htm

...fascinating stuff!
WELL DAMMIT SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE THE FUCK WALDO IS!! I GIVE UP!!




hmm neg one for my second post, reason being"_____" signed by "______"
tho i did get a pos karma for my terrorists in toronts post reason being "mmmm" signed by "____"!
can't argue with mmmm

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-06-03 09:40:00)

remo
Member
+20|6578
http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf - Pentagon Building Performance Report

Here you all go.  Enough conspiracy BS.  This is straight from the experts ... ACSE/SEI (American Society of Civil Engineers / Structural Engineering Institute)

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