BF2S Forums Spawn Protection!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fair phis180, but i would like to make a note why I never ever drive past the first flag until we have taken it. Going for a flag, in any kind of vehicle will surely attract arty from the commander. I think playing as a team means that you will stick with them and since I am convinced that I am most helpfull fighting in the line in stead of abandoning it, I will stick with them. I see it as my primary objective to neutralize the enemy armor and APC's. As it should be their primary objective to hunt me. This is unfortunaly not the case in the most games. Why? I don't know? But suggesting that I should hunt for them as soon as they are spotted, especially when they are behind their own lines would be BS, since I wont be capable of repairing my tank near friendlies.

And yes it may be usefull to drive past their first front line for a flag but never in a tank because you can only support one team member.

phis180 wrote:
Everytime i have said spawn CAMPING, not spawn killing.  There is a BIG difference.

What is the differnce between them, one leads to the other.

Last edited by [SWAM]RobbieE (2005-09-28 06:27:03)

well, I guess everyone has a different approach to playing the game, and as long as you are not cheating, everything goes, at least for me. call me a noob or a stats whore, but I am going to do anything I possibly can to help my team win. that will include using the "noob tube" and it will include killing retards that spawn in a base that is under immense pressure. You gotta play the game along the lines that it offers, if you want to be successful, that's how I see it.

for further study, I kindly refer you to this thread http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=1569 ,
where our good friend bluehavoc8686 has posted the following:

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"This is interesting... is it possible that the majority of us are actually not whores, but instead just good players who are branded as such? Maybe we have been so brainwashed by the constant complaining that in fear of being the object of ridicule, we will soon do nothing and just stand around waiting to get shot because as we all know, if you shoot someone, you're a dirty stats whore and if you attempt to cap an enemy flag, you're a dirty stats whore and of course, if you go anywhere near a helicopter you are a super, ultra, mega, uber, stupid, **** sucking, mother ****ing, **** licking, ****faced STATS WHORE!!! So basically, I don't care anymore. That's right. I'm gonna keep on doing what I've always done or whatever I feel like. I'm gonna use the APC to spawn rape the shit outta some poor little bastards that are dumb enough to keep respawning in the same place. I don't care anymore. This is my conclusion and furthermore, I think that the terms and emphasis on whoring, raping, padding, farming were started in the first place by noobers who just needed a good cry about the fact that their K/D ratio is lower than my defibrillator K/D ratio. SO THERE!!! Anyone who agrees with me, VIA LA REVOLUTION and for those who don't, well goody fuckin good for you!"
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I couldn't agree more...

this has been very intensely discussed ( as has the noob tube issue ) and we could probably go on for days, while merely exchanging opinions. that will change nothing, as any changes are solely up to EA.
People feel strongly about these issues ( some more than others, obviously ), and I respect that, but we are not going to solve anything here anytime soon.

remember guys, this is still just a game after all.

btw, I am not suggesting that you should stop argueing. I simply don't know if it will lead you anywhere..

And i do understand what you people are saying about the flag being "hot", and you are going to kill everyone you see, and everyone is fair game.  - ABSOLUTLY! -  But again, do not understand the spawn CAMPING...  Unless your team is RIGHT there moving in.  and your clearing a path for them.  I dont see how you help your team out by going assault?????  so you kill 3 people with one m203.  mean while a person on the other team just killed 3 of your squad memebers with their gp30..  Well you just broke even, as say you were a medic, and to took them all out.  Well now you can res your buddy and not lose any points.   Assault has NO teamwork feature!  Only support, Medic, Engineer do.  The fact of the matter is, If you are going Assault you dont have helping your team as first prioity, you have yourself.  Thats fine but DONT say you are going to do everything for you team when you go Assault!  Also AT and spec ops are also helpfull classes, to take out armor, and what not.  But Assault and sniper r worthless, when it comes to teamwork. Those are classes for lonewolf's.  At least it seems that way to me.  There is nothing in the game that I would rather use a GL'er for that I cannot do with a frag grenade or with my gun!!

B.Schuss it is funny say that, because my initinal feelings were to post it in the "Improvemtents" section hoping to, not get the people to provide negative feedback to the topic (in a sence).  I did not want this thread to come out the way it did... I would have rather not known that I associate with spawn campers in this forum.  Or have even heard that anyone likes to do it.  IT baffles my mind everything i think about it!! 

All i wanted to to is suggest something that would Improve the gameplay of BF2.  Even after hearing all your "opinions" i think the game needs spawn protection even more then i did before. (I have been trying to keep an open mind, really hard to do when no one else seems to think war or games have no ethics or morals).

Laby wrote:

I don't mind getting spawn killed if the person is activly trying to take the flag. It is when the a$$hole is staying just far enough away from the flag as to not change it and just wantonly spawn killing.

There's two sides to that point. When capturing a flag you're vulnerable, you have to stay near the flag to get it to change, hence you can be a sitting duck. When I go to a flag (enemy), I look around for the REDS, I also wait for back up, it's coming, it just takes a little time to arrive, so if I see you spawn when I want to take the flag, you're damn right I'm gonna try and take you out..... If you respawn to the same point, you're a legit target, after all, I want that flag.

I've been on the end of my own tactics, they're fair, it's war, it's hell. If it gets to a point where I feel I can't cope at that spawn point, I'll go elsewhere, then drive/walk/run/fly to the original point to see if I can get it back.... all's fair in war and war

Spawn protection could be a problem if everyone spawned at the same point..... there's no way of winning a flag in a legit way... I'm probably wrong, but unless they're 'spawn killers' for the hell of it, spawn protection could add to more frustration to a CP.

Pish180, sorry, it was just too much to quote.

I'm not sure what you're on about, if you already have spwan protection, are you looking for more? 2 seconds is a long time.

A spawn point isn't a safe place 'if' it's being taken by the enemy, I still maintain, if I want that flag and I'm about to be assisted, if you pop your head around the corner, I'll try and shoot it off, but I won't camp there to 'spawn kill', that's totally different.

As for other comments on 'noobs', I personally already knew the meaning, it's being used in many guises, but it is a 'derogatory' term and that surely isn't a good thing. If you see someone crash a car in real life, do you go up to him/her and say 'noob', probably not..... 'new to a game' doesn't mean noob.

I agree with all the rules and regulations, I understand people's frustrations, but after all, it's a game and many rules are being broken. For instance, yesterday I saw my first stat padders in action...... a totally pointless procedure becuase everyone can tell, when looking at stats, that that's how they got so many points.

To end, I'm with you 100% on spawn (camper) killers, it has a negative impact on the game and can be very very frustrating... but it is just a game

Pish180, I agree 100%, I sit and curse those that do nothing but spawn/kill camp, but it's very difficult for EA to be able to tell who's doing that on purpose as to those that are waiting back up. I wait for back up, it's no good me sat on a flag on my own where there's 6-7 REDS spawning ready to spill my guts. So if you see me, and it looks as if I'm doing 'spawn' killer, I'm not, I'm waiting for back up.

As for noobs, (I realsie you wern't referring to me, cheers), I'll quietly bow out of this one, it's a much used term, derogatory though it is, it's used by too many to be able to argue. When someone repeatedly messes up..... I just call them idiots ... As for the 'noob/tubes', I think that's on here somewhere.... I personally don't care what kit/armour people use against me, if I get killed, I spawn again, if I get killed again, I puts the kettle on

All the best..... Suggest the 'spawn protection' to EA. I hope you're successful, it is after all, a fair point. (if you do and you have their ear, can you ask if I can have double the body armour please)

PLZ stop that noobish flaming....everybody! Plz raise the level.....
Thank u very much!


Greetz,
Agent

I only spawn kill with Claymore Mines when I am a sniper.  I place'em and I run off to another control point to fight.  It doesnt piss alot of people except when my guys recapture the flag and spawn where my mines are and it blows them up.  Then I get alot of punishment and sometimes kicked.

@ phis180, @Dizazter
Do we need more subspawnpoints, there are 9 slots for squad leaders, there are usually several bases where you can spawn. And the squadleaders are mobile spawnpoints. The hard thing for a squadleader is to sacrifice himself bij NOT engaging in battle, he must keep safe. And the CAP flag spawnpoints must be secured before taking the flag, this will make it much easier to capture that flag. As for the oppostion it is vital to protect the spawnpoints, but that is generally also forgotten. But I guess teamwork is really underrated by most players. I do know that our Clan has a weekly meeting @ my place to evaluate the progress and to give feedback on playing styles.

I would like to make an example about this discussion in our clan. [SWAM]Lizzy is a person whom wants to get into action right away. He usually spawns @ the action and complains a lot about being spawn killed. He also suggested subspawnpoints that are save. But save spawnpoints would mean that you would spawn in Strike @ Karkand in the second base or the vincinity, because a safe spawnpoint would guarantee you that you can not get shot. Lets use this assumption and talk about the Strike @ Karkand.
1. The Americans will flood the first base, it is their only option.
2. The zone around the flag will be infested with Americans eventually. So the subspawnpoints would be farther and farther away everytime.
3. You would know when you spawn that there is no enemy around you! This I consider an unfair advantage when playing MEC because you would also know where to expect the enemy since you where not spawned at the nearer spawn points.

Therefore subspawnpoints would only give an unfair advantage @ maps like Mashtuur, Sharqi en Strike. Just accept it phis180, it is really good this way. The only thing that more players should know is that when a base is being overrun, spawn some where else, it is not that difficult.

Spawn protection would be completely useless, stupid and screw the gampeplay up, I already envission that there are two people staring @ each other holding the fire button and when the 2 seconds are gone the luckiest guy wins. Well that would be fun now would it? Would a spec ops still be capable of using C4? Would the handgrenades also stop working.

How would it work when I fire on a player and suddenly someone spawns in front of me, would that player be a shield then? And doesn't that place the assaulting team in a huge dissadvantage?

Plz try to have a little imigination pplz. Assume that it is implemented and then think about the situations that can and will occur.

Last edited by [SWAM]RobbieE (2005-09-30 00:44:45)

Just for [SWAM]RobbieE .... wow. I think you took the words out of most people's mouths damn impressive.

http://www.pakin.org/complaint?title=&firstname=Pish180&middlename=&lastname=&suffix=&gender=f&shorttype=f&pgraphs=10

The spawn points in BF2, especially the urban maps and some of the others are set up really poorly. First off, the guys that sit down alleys in tanks/apcs or continuelly frag them for kills from the spawners on Karkand, are noobs because they aren't trying to help their team out but rather better their own score. You really believe the guys in the top 100 got there though teamwork and dedication? No, they just camped down alleys on a karkand 24/7 server with a tank for their own gain.

Now on to the point of the spawn raping. On Karkand, especially, the spawn points are set up horrible. You spawn in the middle of a opening or some vulnerable spot making for an easy kill. This is most evident in the first alley, where all the U.S. go down to get to the flag. No, when you spawn, you are basically like reinforcements. Reinforcements don't automatically show up front, they come from the rear of the line. So after you die, you should really spawn behind the flag rather than infront because that is most likely where an enemy will be. Spawning behind the first flag or in a more closed area would be better than spawning as a sitting duck. This is suppose to be based on war in a way, so why am I spawning at the most likely place I will die in a matter of seconds. I wouldn't be good reinforcements then because I would just get killed the second I spawn., rather than supporting my team.

On another issue, those that saying spawn at another point are saying it totally out of their own self gain. Yea it is easy for you to say there are other spawn points to spawn at, especially on Karkand, but that is just handing the flag over to the enemy on a silver platter. If most of use spawn somewhere else, who is going to hold the flag? By the time we got there, the flag would already be the enemies. The only exception to that would be if the flag is uncappable, and then you could spawn somewhere else possible and would be considered your fault if you got killed there. But an enemy camping an uncapturable flag is just a noob looking for points anyway, so I find it no big deal because it usually won't turn the tide of the game. It isn't like on Karkand though were someone actually spawns AT, only to end up spawning in the alley and being killed by the tank whore.

In general, the spawn points in BF2 are pretty poorly plotted. The spawn point can go red though if you are trying to spawn it, but I don't know if it always has enemies though. It would be much better if they spawned you behind the flag which is a less vulnerable place to be killed, but we are linned up for the enemies pickings sometimes and not just on Karkand. The spawn points are put on mostly choke points or places of conflict rather than a little away from the flag.

I don't think the 2-3 second invulnerability thing would work very well either because usually tanks or infantry shoot until you are down, so they would just sit there unloading on you.

I am not really taking sides on this conflict with anyone of you, but I think the guys that have to camp alleys and use lame excuses for their own gain should get some real skill and balls because the points you get won't make you a better player at all, and most of these tactics only work on Karkand or a few of the other levels. The tank whores need to stop making excuses for what they do because there is no excuse for it. You are basically like the Blackhawk on Karkand. You and others sit there alley camping because you can get alot of points for it, and just end the game quickly. I don't have a problem with the tanks staying up front, but alley camping is just low and noobish. You guys don't cap flags either, so if the enemy had a decent game plan, then they could just wait and you would hide in a tank rather than get out and cap flags for your team.

I would like to see some of you last outside of Karkand 24/7 servers because without a tank or noobtube to camp an alley with while people come by, you would have to actually go and find someone to kill or wait awhile. I don't think most of you would pull off a half decent score either, but maybe against other sorry players.