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pirana6
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I didn't see a thread but if so kindly point me too it... Also didn't want to clog up the open tech thread

To anybody that hasn't been paying attention to tech news recently, Apple sued Samsung for patent infringement on many of it's mobile products. Essentially Apple is saying Samsung copied Apple's ideas with the iPhone and iOS.

On friday the jury ruled in favor of Apple and awarded them a 1.05 Billion (US) Dollar settlement saying the "evidence was overwhelming".

Here's a Pro-Apple article

and here's a Pro-Samsung (more anti-ruling) article

Personally I'm pretty anti-apple. Not because they don't make a good product (they do), more because they shut 3rd parties out. I understand having everything under one roof is to make it all work in sync but doing so COMPLETELY removes competition advancement from the tech world. Having full control over your products doesn't push you to make better ones and nearly the rate it would if you compete. The rate mobile phone tech has been advancing has been amazing and I personally think this ruling will slow it down, only so Apple can have more money.

"Stealing" technology has existed far before patent rights were invented and far after. Since though, one need only find the fine line where they aren't stealing tech but only using it as a rough idea on which to build a product different enough. It's a very slippery slope to allow a 'certain' amount of technology to be 'borrowed' before it becomes stealing but where do we draw the line? Did we just find out with this ruling?
Jay
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+2,003|4442|London, England
All the big tech companies are completely abusing the patent system. It's disgusting.
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|5666|SE London

Patent law is a big pile of shite.

Which is why Apple won the case in California and Samsung won the same case in Korea (still lost one aspect of it - to do with bounce back scrolling).
El Beardo
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Jay wrote:

All the big tech companies are completely abusing the patent system. It's disgusting.
Nailed it on the first response.
pirana6
Go Cougs!
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El Beardo wrote:

Jay wrote:

All the big tech companies are completely abusing the patent system. It's disgusting.
Nailed it on the first response.
yep

not to post another biased response but...
KEN-JENNINGS
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+2,926|5716|949

Please enlighten me on patent abuse. Its not something I'm very familiar with.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|5859|Noizyland

Patenting aesthetic things like rounded corners or bounce-back scrolling is stupid and is solely for the purposes of killing competition. I agree with Jay.

I think it's an especially scum-bag move that this is coming from Apple. Apple is an innovative company, they make some great things but they have always been shameless about stealing and adapting other people's ideas. There is an interview with Steve Jobs some time in the 90s, I'm sure you can find it on YouTube, [edit: Pirana posted it] where he quotes Picasso's "Good artists copy, great artists steal" and says, quote, "We have, you know, always, ah, been shameless about stealing great ideas."

Cut to 2010 when Apple faces competition from Android. Steve Jobs again: "I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this." Even worse he said he wasn't interested in getting any money from the so-called patent thefts, he was simply dedicated to killing off the items completely.

Now that's just not cricket. When the Australian CSIRO invented wi-fi, (accidentally,) their patent was stolen and used by a huge range of companies. Wi-fi I think is a far more important patent than a bloody phone touch-screen and the CSIRO was understandably upset, they went to court, won, but allowed all these companies to continue to use the patent in exchange for a minimal licencing fee. Obviously the CSIRO is a research body and isn't interesting in competing in electronics manufacturing but this sort of thing isn't uncommon, even among competing companies. If Samsung were smart they'd try and pursue something like this with Apple instead of running it through the courts which may end up costing them significantly. But if Apple have maintained Jobs' attitude of “I don’t want your money... I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that’s all I want,” then no-one's going to get anywhere.

There's also the questionable jury as well, taking a day to mull over documents that should have taken a week, all the other tell-tale signs that they made up their minds just by looking at the two similar products. I don't think Samsung will have a problem appealing.

Honestly I fucking hate the smart phone race. All this science and technology and innovation dedicated to coming up with new gimmicks in handheld devices where the most important thing isn't the application of technology but the marketing of it. Waste of time, money, and the talents of bright people who would be better spent working on a hoverboard in time for 2015.
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Cybargs
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This shit won't stop samsung. By size, Samsung has way more money and influence than apple ever was. Shit, those motherfuckers ARE the Korean economy.
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13urnzz
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Cybargs wrote:

This shit won't stop samsung. By size, Samsung has way more money and influence than apple ever was. Shit, those motherfuckers ARE the Korean economy.
uh, homie, apple became the all time leader in U.S. market capitalization.

OF ALL TIME
Cybargs
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13urnzz wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

This shit won't stop samsung. By size, Samsung has way more money and influence than apple ever was. Shit, those motherfuckers ARE the Korean economy.
uh, homie, apple became the all time leader in U.S. market capitalization.

OF ALL TIME
And guess who makes all the chipsets for Apple and build the ships that ship apple products from China to USA
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ROGUEDD
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+452|4473|Fuck this.

Cybargs wrote:

13urnzz wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

This shit won't stop samsung. By size, Samsung has way more money and influence than apple ever was. Shit, those motherfuckers ARE the Korean economy.
uh, homie, apple became the all time leader in U.S. market capitalization.

OF ALL TIME
And guess who makes all the chipsets for Apple and build the ships that ship apple products from China to USA
Asians?
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Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|5823|Toronto | Canada

the only moderately legitimate patent infringement they had was the bounce back one.  everything else shouldve been thrown out immediately. so many flaws in the decision that its going to change in a huge way upon appeal.  i really hope apple gets hit back with their blatant copying of the pull down notification bar too.

one of the best analogies ive heard about this was that it was a cold war up until now with companies stockpiling patents as deterrent.  but not that apple has started to fire shots, everyone is going to be on their ass - and they have the smallest patent portfolio of them all.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
anyway, off to patent the pentagon shape. i figure i can make a shitload suing the US government
Cybargs
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+2,268|5800

ROGUEDD wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

13urnzz wrote:


uh, homie, apple became the all time leader in U.S. market capitalization.

OF ALL TIME
And guess who makes all the chipsets for Apple and build the ships that ship apple products from China to USA
Asians?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

These guys. Korean Chaebol firms are fucking massive.
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ROGUEDD
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+452|4473|Fuck this.

Cybargs wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


And guess who makes all the chipsets for Apple and build the ships that ship apple products from China to USA
Asians?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

These guys. Korean Chaebol firms are fucking massive.
So....Asians?
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Cybargs
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ROGUEDD wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:


Asians?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

These guys. Korean Chaebol firms are fucking massive.
So....Asians?
no, they are from the great proud best korea.
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Macbeth
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South Korea is basically a U.S. military base.
Jay
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+2,003|4442|London, England
Oh really? Have you been? There's only one infantry division stationed there.
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13urnzz
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i liked when anthony bordain went to korea, and they showed his face when he gagged down the kimchee
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pirana6 wrote:

El Beardo wrote:

Jay wrote:

All the big tech companies are completely abusing the patent system. It's disgusting.
Nailed it on the first response.
yep

not to post another biased response but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|4473|Fuck this.

Cybargs wrote:

ROGUEDD wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

These guys. Korean Chaebol firms are fucking massive.
So....Asians?
no, they are from the great proud best korea.
https://troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/asians-asians.jpg
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Cybargs wrote:

This shit won't stop samsung. By size, Samsung has way more money and influence than apple ever was. Shit, those motherfuckers ARE the Korean economy.
it wasn't meant to stop samsung.  it was meant to kill off their mobile phone division.  Why would they want to kill off their #1 supplier of components?  Are you dense?  You consistently demonstrate a lack of critical thinking, especially about business (which is a bit lol-worthy seeing as you call yourself a business student).
Shahter
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+295|5859|Moscow, Russia

El Beardo wrote:

Jay wrote:

All the big tech companies are completely abusing the patent system. It's disgusting.
Nailed it on the first response.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Please enlighten me on patent abuse. Its not something I'm very familiar with.
Also flouting other people's patents because you're bigger than them can can drop lawyer-death on them with impunity.

The US patent system is beyond stupid, its so swamped everything gets rubberstamped, I was up against a patent which covered a box with an electrical connection on one side and an optical connection on the other.

Another example - many industries have committees working on common standards, USB for example.
Attending a meeting and running off to patent everything you can think of which could be relevant to fuck everyone else is abuse.
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HITNRUNXX
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My Walkman was a rectangle with rounded corners. So was my old Nokia phone. I guess they can both sue Apple now. Afterall, one is used for entertainment, and one is used for communications... I believe they stole those ideas for their idevices.

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