Roc18
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

"In exactly two weeks this will all be over and it will be like it never happened."
just like trayvon martin shooting, right?
exactly, except travyon took a few months cause it was racial.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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yet the trayvon martin thing is still in the news despite the whole racial issue in the case being put to rest a while ago.

i agree the media latches on to whatever situation/story/human interest issue is out there.  But it's not treated like it never happened - names like Jonestown, Columbine, Ft Hood, VA Tech, Charles Whitman still resonate with most people these days, even if the media treats those events like a short time hooker
13urnzz
Banned
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there are still those that mourn the murder of JFK
pirana6
Go Cougs!
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His son doesn't!

HEYOOOOOOOOOOOO


/reserved-spot-in-hell
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
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Trotskygrad wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

Not sure if it was mentioned already, but apparently the theater doesn't allow CCW. So yeah, outlawing citizens carrying guns definitely prevents people from committing crimes with guns.
hmm, I honestly doubt CCW would have changed this unless there were like 5 CCW holders in that theater.

guy comes in, he's pretty obviously prepared for resistance (body armor, gas, helmet)

he's got a rifle, you've got a pistol.

You probably have to hit him in the face to get an incapacitating shot

low light conditions

is it likely?
Yeah, I agree.  Would likely take a 10-30 yard, low light, face shot, with tear-gas and innocent bystanders running interference.  It's not a good set-up.  Honestly, unless someone was an OUTSTANDING shot or sitting in the nearest corner section, the odds of safely making the shot are pretty low.
I'm not saying it's impossible.  (An AF security police airman made an 80+ yard headshot against an active shooter in 1994, with a 9mm pistol.) The theater situation is a tactical nightmare.  For the majority of shooters, in the majority of seats, taking the shot would be extremely risky to bystanders with a low probability of success. 
There are few "good" solutions to this one.

As such, most pro or anti concealed carry arguments are pretty much moot, IMO.

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2012-07-20 15:37:16)

mtb0minime
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so so so bad but i'm sitting here at work crying from wanting to laugh so hard but having to hold it in

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west-phoenix-az
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RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
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People are really mad at The Onion.
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west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6628
why
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RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
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its apparently too soon
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west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6628
for what
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eleven bravo
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obama let this happen so it would be easier for him to take our guns
Tu Stultus Es
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6628

eleven bravo wrote:

obama let this happen so it would be easier for him to take white peoples guns
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eleven bravo
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fwp
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unnamednewbie13
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west-phoenix-az wrote:

James Holmes wrote:

I am the Joker
Some men just want to watch the world wait for the rental.

also:

mtb0minime wrote:

west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6628
as long as the baby is quiet who cares
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unnamednewbie13
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west-phoenix-az wrote:

as long as the baby is quiet who cares
When does that ever happen and how can you predict it? Don't be an asshole to other movie-goers.

"I'm the hero Gotha-*SQUEEEAL!!*"

"I'LL FOIL YOUR PLANS RIDDLE-*WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!*"

13urnzz wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

nobody cares about russia

Mitt Romney wrote:

America's "No. 1 geopolitical foe"
When Russia sold us Alaska, it was a trap. They knew we'd get Sarah Palin.
Macbeth
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west-phoenix-az wrote:

as long as the baby is quiet who cares
They never are though
rdx-fx
...
+955|6831

eleven bravo wrote:

obama let this happen so it would be easier for him to take our guns
Wasn't he personally the third gunman on the grassy knoll?
Hurricane2k9
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What's curious is how the hell this unemployed student could afford all of that weaponry and gear.
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eleven bravo
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the atf let him get the guns so the obama administration would find the task of enacting stringent gun laws much more palatable by the american electorate.  DB knows wassup
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Of course!
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Stingray24
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Macbeth wrote:

west-phoenix-az wrote:

as long as the baby is quiet who cares
They never are though
Some are.  After mine were two months old they slept like a log until morning.
HITNRUNXX
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RAIMIUS wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

Not sure if it was mentioned already, but apparently the theater doesn't allow CCW. So yeah, outlawing citizens carrying guns definitely prevents people from committing crimes with guns.
hmm, I honestly doubt CCW would have changed this unless there were like 5 CCW holders in that theater.

guy comes in, he's pretty obviously prepared for resistance (body armor, gas, helmet)

he's got a rifle, you've got a pistol.

You probably have to hit him in the face to get an incapacitating shot

low light conditions

is it likely?
Yeah, I agree.  Would likely take a 10-30 yard, low light, face shot, with tear-gas and innocent bystanders running interference.  It's not a good set-up.  Honestly, unless someone was an OUTSTANDING shot or sitting in the nearest corner section, the odds of safely making the shot are pretty low.
I'm not saying it's impossible.  (An AF security police airman made an 80+ yard headshot against an active shooter in 1994, with a 9mm pistol.) The theater situation is a tactical nightmare.  For the majority of shooters, in the majority of seats, taking the shot would be extremely risky to bystanders with a low probability of success. 
There are few "good" solutions to this one.

As such, most pro or anti concealed carry arguments are pretty much moot, IMO.
Except he was walking up and down the aisles randoms targeting a person here and a person there according to reports. Walking past people left and right and then randomly shooting another. CCW or not I ma shocked by this... The tear gas and general shocking nature of the attack had to be disorienting, but I really can't believe no one tackled the guy. If someone was armed they would have been able to practically walk right up behind the guy and pop him. I can't say what I would have done, and there are so many variables (like if I had my family with me, for example) it is impossible to predict... But damn. Just happened too quickly for anyone to process most likely...

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