BF2S Forums US Soldier singlehandedly kills 16 civilians, Taliban is pissed

-Whiteroom- wrote:

I like that you say that the majority of people, when he was one of how many soldiers over there? It is not a majority thing at all. Even claiming that gives credence to everyone who says that this is representative of the entire military.

Edit: Even if what you are claiming was right, and the vast majority would act the same. Does that make killing sixteen people ok? If so, I defiantly want you and spear on the jury if I ever happen to end up in court for murder.

Look at the holocaust. The vast majority of Germans were not only aware of the reality of what was occuring, they actively helped and contributed. Are German people all that different from anybody else? No, not really.

Given the right set of circumstances good people can do really bad things.

I wonder how many people commit GBH or even murder over road rage?

Im not saying the current case is nothing to worry about or that its normal, more that it doesn't really shock me. If this one guy is written off as a crazy then that will do far less to stop a recurrance than actually assessing why this happened and implementing changes to avoid it happening again.

But sure, write it off as a freak event and be happy that we will likely never be fighting for our lives, repeatedly.

Charge him for 16 counts of murder. Plain and simple. Laws are laws. Crazy or not that does not excuse him from what he did.

eleven bravo wrote:

hundreds of thousands of soldiers went through more deployments than this dude without going crazy and killing civies

Correct....

Make your own judgements, he wasn't just some low ranking private though, clearly everybody else thought he could be trusted with peoples lives.

DrunkFace wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I was responding to the fake outrage/shock that something like this happened.  Kind of like the urination thing.
This shit happens ALL.  THE.  TIME.  Maybe not 16 in cold blood, but there are probably thousands of incidents that never get reported.

Then the military need their asses kicked, execute a few maybe.

A good old fashion decimation?

No, just the guilty.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Oh right, so its all Obama's fault - wow.

what in the cocksucking fuck are you on about?

Dilbert_X wrote:

Finish the job, achieve something, anything, or the whole thing will have been not simply a waste of time but utterly counterproductive is my guess.

there is nothing lasting we can achieve there, nothing we can finish.  shall we occupy pakistan?  kill more enemies which, of course, only makes more enemies?  arm and train an afghan force that's likely to use those arms against us, sooner or later?  It was and is a waste.  it's been like that for 11 years.  but I never said anything was all Obama's fault.  he inherited a shit sandwich and is trying to put off those last few bites.  I say choke 'em down now and get it over with.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Finish the job, achieve something, anything, or the whole thing will have been not simply a waste of time but utterly counterproductive is my guess.

"Finishing the job" wouldn't be something we can stomach right now.

Why should we do anything to Syria?

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

Just thinking aloud..

I somehow doubt that.

Reciprocity wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Finish the job, achieve something, anything, or the whole thing will have been not simply a waste of time but utterly counterproductive is my guess.

there is nothing lasting we can achieve there, nothing we can finish.  shall we occupy pakistan?  kill more enemies which, of course, only makes more enemies?  arm and train an afghan force that's likely to use those arms against us, sooner or later?  It was and is a waste.  it's been like that for 11 years.  but I never said anything was all Obama's fault.  he inherited a shit sandwich and is trying to put off those last few bites.  I say choke 'em down now and get it over with.

It could have been very different, Afghanistan could have been fixed, Iran brought into the civilised fold.

Instead the objectives were so dumb, the planning so poor, the implementation so shit, and a significant minority of the troops so poorly disciplined that the whole exercise has been utterly counterproductive.

The Afghans now hate us, the Pakistanis now hate us and the Iranians are so scared they'll be the next victims of Team Dumbfuck they're prepared to take the risk of developing nuclear weapons in an all-or-nothing gamble.

Back to the OP:

An anonymous US official confirmed to the New York Times that the soldier had been drinking alcohol the evening before the attack.

"When it all comes out, it will be a combination of stress, alcohol and domestic issues - he just snapped," the US military official said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17403836

Ah OK, I can see the end-game already. Decorated war-hero just wanted a hug all along. Lets forget about the kids with their heads blown apart seeing as they're brown and try to help the poor fellow get his life back together. We should give him an honourable discharge ASAP so he can retain his well-deserved pension and go get those book and movie deals.
(In the meantime the Fort Hood shooter and that Wikileaks fag can rot in solitary until we kill them, never mind the double standards)

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2012-03-19 01:49:40)

Well bugger me, Staff Sargeant Tough-Guy stabbed many of those children to death.

Still, he was in negative equity so seems fair.

To be fair last time I quit a job I thought to myself "Shall I write a brief letter of resignation, work out my notice period and start looking for a new career, or should I buy one of those cool mail-order ninja swords and chop up a school party in the museum?"

Decisions are personal things, not everyone is Solomon I guess.

Dilbert_X wrote:

It could have been very different, Afghanistan could have been fixed, Iran brought into the civilised fold.

Instead the objectives were so dumb, the planning so poor, the implementation so shit, and a significant minority of the troops so poorly disciplined that the whole exercise has been utterly counterproductive.

The Afghans now hate us, the Pakistanis now hate us and the Iranians are so scared they'll be the next victims of Team Dumbfuck they're prepared to take the risk of developing nuclear weapons in an all-or-nothing gamble.

Nation-building doesn't fix anything in a place like Afghanistan.  Nukes would have fixed them though.

As for Iran...  who cares?  If they get nukes, big deal.  They only want them for defensive purposes.

The Pakistanis already hated us before we invaded Afghanistan, and they've harbored extremists for decades now.  It's only recently that they've turned more of their insanity towards us instead of towards the Indians.

The mistake we made with Pakistan is assuming our investment in their country would ever amount to anything.  They're still a shitty country with fanatics that we'll inevitably have to deal with for a long time.

Instead of supporting Pakistan all these years, we should've supported India.  They're actually going somewhere despite their corruption and poverty.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Ah OK, I can see the end-game already. Decorated war-hero just wanted a hug all along. Lets forget about the kids with their heads blown apart seeing as they're brown and try to help the poor fellow get his life back together. We should give him an honourable discharge ASAP so he can retain his well-deserved pension and go get those book and movie deals.
(In the meantime the Fort Hood shooter and that Wikileaks fag can rot in solitary until we kill them, never mind the double standards)

What makes you think we'll celebrate a guy that killed a bunch of kids?