why is this considered art?
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why is this considered art?
because you don't understand it, which means it's clearly doing something right.
i'm also pretty skeptical about graffiti being 'art' and not just some lesser form of expression... at its best, it's overtly political, but overtly political 'art' is always a bit of a weak and shitty area. i don't really think that writing your name in stylized writing is 'art' in the same way a da vinci is art. i'm sure its more accessible and interactive for the young people that lack the culture or intelligence to aspire to anything higher, but i'll leave that to the hood rats. banksy doesn't impress me, either.
i'm also pretty skeptical about graffiti being 'art' and not just some lesser form of expression... at its best, it's overtly political, but overtly political 'art' is always a bit of a weak and shitty area. i don't really think that writing your name in stylized writing is 'art' in the same way a da vinci is art. i'm sure its more accessible and interactive for the young people that lack the culture or intelligence to aspire to anything higher, but i'll leave that to the hood rats. banksy doesn't impress me, either.
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A R T
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
i think it's to do with context, intent and method. the graffiti that is just sprayed on using templates isn't 'art', imo. banksy is an example.
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It's abstract. You're supposed to make up your own mind on what you think about it, and not just write it off with "it sucks." To help you out, colors are tied to emotion, so you can start there.
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It's minecraft. You're supposed to make up your own mind on what you think about it, and not just write it off with "it sucks." To help you out, colors are tied to materials, so you can start there.
... and if it still sucks?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It's abstract. You're supposed to make up your own mind on what you think about it, and not just write it off with "it sucks." To help you out, colors are tied to emotion, so you can start there.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
What would you prefer? A glowy cabin by a waterfall in front of a mountain range with a tree by the foreground? What abstract art is supposed to do is break you out of the mold of having to have an identifiable object to relate to. If you give stuff like that a chance before dismissing them outright, you won't need design classes under your belt to see something in them...unless even then you still don't like it.
you know, this "art"-thing has a tendency of manufacturing itself. a dozen of fags get together and decide to call their stuff "art", then they start to give "design classes" ment to "equip you with tools to decifer the art", and so on and so forth, untill - bam! - you have a crowd of uziques - people completely out of touch with reality, whos only real skill is snorting stuff in and making noises and gestures. there are people among them that are genuine artists, sure, but the crowd itself and most of the stuff they produce just makes me wanna puke.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
What would you prefer? A glowy cabin by a waterfall in front of a mountain range with a tree by the foreground? What abstract art is supposed to do is break you out of the mold of having to have an identifiable object to relate to. If you give stuff like that a chance before dismissing them outright, you won't need design classes under your belt to see something in them...unless even then you still don't like it.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
I know how I should interpret it but even then it doesn't make me actually feel anything, really.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It's abstract. You're supposed to make up your own mind on what you think about it, and not just write it off with "it sucks." To help you out, colors are tied to emotion, so you can start there.
To me (and your average observer) it just appears to be random coloured squares on a piece of canvas, around which a story or set of rules is constructed (no doubt costing a lot of effort and work of the artist) to make it seem interesting. A piece of art should tell you a story, not the other way around (imo). This painting, by itself, doesn't tell anyone anything unless you let your imagination run wild coupled with background knowledge of the movement, artist and his intent with the painting. With that mindset you can smear dogshit all over the pavement and call it art given you stare at it long enough convincing yourself it is art.
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heh, if you liked that, wrap your head around this;
fuk joo, burnzz, i've no lunch today .
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
not so much a huge fan of art, but buildings and architecture can be art yes?
I absolutely love Gaudi's work.
Really want to go to spain to see some of his buildings, my dad's been there and snapped some magnificent photos.
I absolutely love Gaudi's work.
Really want to go to spain to see some of his buildings, my dad's been there and snapped some magnificent photos.
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.
where did i say anywhere that i was a fan of abstract expressionism?Shahter wrote:
you know, this "art"-thing has a tendency of manufacturing itself. a dozen of fags get together and decide to call their stuff "art", then they start to give "design classes" ment to "equip you with tools to decifer the art", and so on and so forth, untill - bam! - you have a crowd of uziques - people completely out of touch with reality, whos only real skill is snorting stuff in and making noises and gestures. there are people among them that are genuine artists, sure, but the crowd itself and most of the stuff they produce just makes me wanna puke.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
What would you prefer? A glowy cabin by a waterfall in front of a mountain range with a tree by the foreground? What abstract art is supposed to do is break you out of the mold of having to have an identifiable object to relate to. If you give stuff like that a chance before dismissing them outright, you won't need design classes under your belt to see something in them...unless even then you still don't like it.
you're such a bitter ruskie cunt sometimes it's hilarious. lol, snorting stuff in. you blow out enough shit of your own here, dude.
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you're a fan of figurative art. that's fine. but that movement had some major challenges in the early 20th century, and art necessarily had to branch out in other directions. the tradition of representing things literally and with truth to reality ran its course for many artists after, oh i don't know, several hundred years of more or less variations on the same theme. art shouldn't really be one thing or another according to criteria that narrow.Shocking wrote:
I know how I should interpret it but even then it doesn't make me actually feel anything, really.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It's abstract. You're supposed to make up your own mind on what you think about it, and not just write it off with "it sucks." To help you out, colors are tied to emotion, so you can start there.
To me (and your average observer) it just appears to be random coloured squares on a piece of canvas, around which a story or set of rules is constructed (no doubt costing a lot of effort and work of the artist) to make it seem interesting. A piece of art should tell you a story, not the other way around (imo). This painting, by itself, doesn't tell anyone anything unless you let your imagination run wild coupled with background knowledge of the movement, artist and his intent with the painting. With that mindset you can smear dogshit all over the pavement and call it art given you stare at it long enough convincing yourself it is art.
Awaiting tsunami of hate.
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macbeth said in the OP that this is a thread alternate to the 'architecture' one, you lemon. this clearly is meant to be 'visual arts'.Camm wrote:
not so much a huge fan of art, but buildings and architecture can be art yes?
I absolutely love Gaudi's work.
Really want to go to spain to see some of his buildings, my dad's been there and snapped some magnificent photos.
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Well yeah understandably that sentiment has led to the development of many such works of art in the past 100 years, but don't you feel that art should be accessible without the need to have some sort of introduction required to understand it? If you're not familiar with these types of art staring at the painting is meaningless, which is exactly why people (like me) say its complexity is based on make-belief.Uzique wrote:
you're a fan of figurative art. that's fine. but that movement had some major challenges in the early 20th century, and art necessarily had to branch out in other directions. the tradition of representing things literally and with truth to reality ran its course for many artists after, oh i don't know, several hundred years of more or less variations on the same theme. art shouldn't really be one thing or another according to criteria that narrow.
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Thinking about the actual production of art, or doing it myself, weirds me out sometimes. I get to thinking about how we're primates doing really odd stuff. I imagine a chimp painting or sculpting and it's funny. I'm pretty wide open to what may be called "art," because the way I see it, art may be defined as anything a person does to express his/her understanding of the world/cosmos in a way that doesn't necessarily also fill the role of a normal activity: eating, sleeping, sex, etc.
i think you're over-stating it a lot... its complexity is based on make-belief because it's not immediately apparent to the untrained eye? okay then. well i guess the difficulty of astrophysics is vastly overstated, because it's just not evident to me, at all. i fail to see how not knowing the artist's intention really affects your own interpretation (and enjoyment) all that much. you have an emotional response to something whether or not you understand the full context.Shocking wrote:
Well yeah understandably that sentiment has led to the development of many such works of art in the past 100 years, but don't you feel that art should be accessible without the need to have some sort of introduction required to understand it? If you're not familiar with these types of art staring at the painting is meaningless, which is exactly why people (like me) say its complexity is based on make-belief.Uzique wrote:
you're a fan of figurative art. that's fine. but that movement had some major challenges in the early 20th century, and art necessarily had to branch out in other directions. the tradition of representing things literally and with truth to reality ran its course for many artists after, oh i don't know, several hundred years of more or less variations on the same theme. art shouldn't really be one thing or another according to criteria that narrow.
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I saw Warhol's exhibition a couple years ago when it came to the GoMA here in Brisbane, it was quite good.burnzz wrote:
heh, if you liked that, wrap your head around this;
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6349036/New%20Y … 8-5092.jpg
Before that I saw Picasso, which was the first time his works had been taken outside of Europe.
I also went to the The 6th Asia Pacific Triennial of Contemporary Art, I found it to be rather intriguing:
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Graffiti is fucking awesome. Yes sometimes it's on OPP but graffiti as an art form is AMAZING. Most of it is not used with templates. The random shit you see around cities such as Atlanta is amazing in the detail they put in them. Especially the Krog Tunnel in downtown Atlanta.
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This, really.Uzique wrote:
i think you're over-stating it a lot... its complexity is based on make-belief because it's not immediately apparent to the untrained eye? okay then. well i guess the difficulty of astrophysics is vastly overstated, because it's just not evident to me, at all. i fail to see how not knowing the artist's intention really affects your own interpretation (and enjoyment) all that much. you have an emotional response to something whether or not you understand the full context.Shocking wrote:
Well yeah understandably that sentiment has led to the development of many such works of art in the past 100 years, but don't you feel that art should be accessible without the need to have some sort of introduction required to understand it? If you're not familiar with these types of art staring at the painting is meaningless, which is exactly why people (like me) say its complexity is based on make-belief.Uzique wrote:
you're a fan of figurative art. that's fine. but that movement had some major challenges in the early 20th century, and art necessarily had to branch out in other directions. the tradition of representing things literally and with truth to reality ran its course for many artists after, oh i don't know, several hundred years of more or less variations on the same theme. art shouldn't really be one thing or another according to criteria that narrow.
@shocking - Like any art, an abstract piece can either succeed or fail, but its audience has to give it a chance. If somebody's going to stroll into an art museum set on turning up their noses at a style they already have against (for whatever reason, including bandwagon), there's really nothing the artist can do. Abstract art can be really fun to look at even if you don't have a formal education in it. Look for shapes and patterns in colors, shades and edges. See if you can fit an imagined object into it. If you've ever searched for familiar shapes or tetris blocks in bathroom tiles, it shouldn't be hard to adapt that to abstract art. If you can do that, then you might also find that it can spark certain moods.
Some graffiti can be pretty, but the vast majority of it is just unwanted signatures spammily scrawled on others people's property.NeXuS wrote:
Graffiti is fucking awesome. Yes sometimes it's on OPP but graffiti as an art form is AMAZING. Most of it is not used with templates. The random shit you see around cities such as Atlanta is amazing in the detail they put in them. Especially the Krog Tunnel in downtown Atlanta.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hmchXb4MMwU/T … unnel4.jpg
But that's how the vast majority of graffiti artists start. No one starts out doing top to bottom train cars or murals on walls. Most people start out tagging their name and progress from there. It's how you learn to develop your own style and master your can control. Hell, modern graffiti is built off tagging (Cornbread in Philly and Taki 183 in NYC). Here's an excerpt from the documentary Infamy about Philly handstyles (start at 1:54):unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Some graffiti can be pretty, but the vast majority of it is just unwanted signatures spammily scrawled on others people's property.
More tags:
After the tag, the next level is throw-ups. Throw-ups are simple, usually one or two colors.
After throw-ups come burners and pieces.
Keep in mind this isn't a linear progressions; a good well-rounded graffiti artist will have a good grasp of tags, throw-ups, and pieces, and will employ all three when out bombing.
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
This, really.Uzique wrote:
i think you're over-stating it a lot... its complexity is based on make-belief because it's not immediately apparent to the untrained eye? okay then. well i guess the difficulty of astrophysics is vastly overstated, because it's just not evident to me, at all. i fail to see how not knowing the artist's intention really affects your own interpretation (and enjoyment) all that much. you have an emotional response to something whether or not you understand the full context.Shocking wrote:
Well yeah understandably that sentiment has led to the development of many such works of art in the past 100 years, but don't you feel that art should be accessible without the need to have some sort of introduction required to understand it? If you're not familiar with these types of art staring at the painting is meaningless, which is exactly why people (like me) say its complexity is based on make-belief.
@shocking - Like any art, an abstract piece can either succeed or fail, but its audience has to give it a chance. If somebody's going to stroll into an art museum set on turning up their noses at a style they already have against (for whatever reason, including bandwagon), there's really nothing the artist can do. Abstract art can be really fun to look at even if you don't have a formal education in it. Look for shapes and patterns in colors, shades and edges. See if you can fit an imagined object into it. If you've ever searched for familiar shapes or tetris blocks in bathroom tiles, it shouldn't be hard to adapt that to abstract art. If you can do that, then you might also find that it can spark certain moods.Some graffiti can be pretty, but the vast majority of it is just unwanted signatures spammily scrawled on others people's property.NeXuS wrote:
Graffiti is fucking awesome. Yes sometimes it's on OPP but graffiti as an art form is AMAZING. Most of it is not used with templates. The random shit you see around cities such as Atlanta is amazing in the detail they put in them. Especially the Krog Tunnel in downtown Atlanta.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hmchXb4MMwU/T … unnel4.jpg
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Like any art, an graffiti can either succeed or fail, but its audience has to give it a chance. If somebody's going to stroll into an art museum set on turning up their noses at a style they already have against (for whatever reason, including bandwagon), there's really nothing the artist can do. graffiti can be really fun to look at even if you don't have a formal education in it.
The skill levels after just random tagging i think is an art. tagging is more like calligraphy.
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