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Larssen
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I met two americans today who were trump supporters (unicorns to me really), it was interesting to see them wave away literally all his media blunders and controversial statements. Even the 'mexicans are rapists' bit. They were convinced his policies were fantastic, and held the opinion that if he could 'speak like Obama' people would worship Trump.

What also struck me is that they were very steeped in some sort of self victim complex. They felt they couldn't ever talk about their views in the USA and that white men were hounded by the democrats/liberal media/population at large.

Another point of interest was that they felt Fox News wasn't at all an overly biased source. Liberal media was just as bad. Also, my opposition to Trump/Fox was because of my own bias.

It was sad in a way cause they struck me as otherwise reasonable. I just don't understand how they managed to decouple Trump's statements and actions entirely, and also strongly believed that he had tons of merit in what he did. 'The economy was booming under Trump'. Also insisted Biden is terrible & would be worse, even despite Trump's covid handling.

Last edited by Larssen (2021-08-25 15:55:43)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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They are idiots. Not worth trying to understand them. Special snowflakes steeped in Identity politics.  The most important thing about them is that they support and identify with a president who's no longer in office. That should tell you plenty.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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Most Trump supporters have football brains and watch reality television.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,915|5819|USA

Larssen wrote:

I met two americans today who were trump supporters (unicorns to me really), it was interesting to see them wave away literally all his media blunders and controversial statements.
That is a punch in the gut of familiarity for me.

They're unassailable. Internalized to the point of fight/flight reflex if probed, and encased in resounding certainty. Finding a Trumper you can break down with facts and logic is like snapping a clear photo of Bigfoot. Usually the most you'll accomplish is make them withdraw and sulk.

Your description gives me sickening chills. You may have seen my post in the work thread the other day. It was the white persecution thing that finally pushed the guy over the edge. "They told me I was evil because I'm white!" red-faced, chop-motion stiff-finger pointing for violent emphasis. "Was it white privilege when my dad got hurt at his job, or when I struggled in my 20s?" Making a show of overriding response, interjection, or calming by restarting the sentence more loudly like some town hall blowhard.

Like first off, who is "they?" I can never get a specific answer out of that. Second, white privilege and rich privilege are to oversimplify, different components on a Venn diagram. His dad's boss and his older bosses were white men taking advantage of a poor workforce, derp.

I still have anxiety today over that blowout. I hope your Trumpers were at least otherwise amiable.
Larssen
Member
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Ah they were nice and conceded that it was better that he left office after I explained to them how Europeans/the rest of the world perceived and experienced the Trump administration. I think it hit a little close when I denoted him an American version of Putin. (Though that would give a bit too much credit to Trump's intellect)
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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So much to process there, newbie. Really grateful you shared.

Do any white people work at your job? And I did warn you in the past not to talk to these pig people about stuff like this.

The trick I use to get through situations like this is to not care about the other person to the point where I don't even value their opinion. That's why you will never see me arguing at a protest. I refuse to even acknowledge the existence of pig people. It's like arguing with a barking dog. I don't care what a dog is up to or thinking.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,915|5819|USA

I fall into the trap that I otherwise like talking about history, politics, social issues and so on. I try not to open a conversation about that at work, but then I am engaged with some tidbit and then absentmindedly formulate a response.

I hate to break out the old "ah, huh. Uh-huh, wow, really, that's interesting" as it's pretty transparent, but it might work on this guy for awhile. I just don't want to be a part of the next incident. If we had an HR department, I wouldn't be surprised if I'd had to have a talk with them today.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+489|2767
Hang in there. Next time your boss blows up try talking him down like these guys.

https://youtu.be/xBWmkwaTQ0k
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,915|5819|USA

I'd have to learn German.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,745|5153|eXtreme to the maX
German is easily the best language both for shouting and insulting people.
They have some great words, and if you're still scratching around you can make up your own.
#FreeBritney
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,745|5153|eXtreme to the maX
Online gamers under the age of 18 will only be allowed to play for an hour on Fridays, weekends and holidays, China's video game regulator has said.

The National Press and Publication Administration told state-run news agency Xinhua that game-playing would be only allowed between 8pm to 9pm.

It also instructed gaming companies to prevent children playing outside these times.

Earlier this month a state media outlet branded online games "spiritual opium".

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58384457
#FreeBritney
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+489|2767
China is where freedom of expression goes to die.
uziq
Member
+405|2500
south korea's government banned ... minecraft ... for youngsters, about 3 months ago.

east asian countries really raise their kids different. their lives consist almost entirely of school, after-hours cram schools, homework, and sleep. add to that the pressure to learn extra-curriculars, practice instruments, etc. yeah, no wonder that videogames are seen as 'idle' distractions.

i read a journal article the other week about educational attainment in the US. an uncomfortable truth about asian students' high attainment is that they're literally forced to do about 2.5 hrs extra schooling a day, in their home life. you can't adjust for that in an education system.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,915|5819|USA

Probably the wrong way to address things like media addiction and work/life balance issues.

Not to mention that Minecraft has a bunch of STEM stuff in various pockets of the player base and can be a learning tool itself.

anyway, in your dragon ball terms:
https://media1.tenor.com/images/ae5b79925462331d79cfe4fc569281cd/tenor.gif?itemid=16626900
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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That reminds me...I got linked from reddit to one of those Rule 34 websites. Good lord the things people can corrupt.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,915|5819|USA

Super pass on hanging around a porn subreddit clicking on random links.

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