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Trotskygrad wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Raptors don't do that stuff.
that too, was just quoting someone else about the F-22s...

They just thought we should send in stealth fighters and just shoot down gaddafi's planes
Again, I fail to see how shooting down his planes is really any different from destroying his AA defenses... is one less warlike than the other? pffft
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right so why no action in syria, europe/UN?

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2011-03-25 19:01:29)

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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

As I said already, if you're enforcing a ceasefire, or a safe-zone, wouldn't it be a good idea to take out all the tanks and artillery?  Good idea for them to be taking potshots at you?

This logic only applies to air wars apparently.
Your logic is infallible, Dilbert.

Until you apply it to the real world.

Let's do that, shall we?

Don't touch the air defenses, radars, or C2. Put up your Tornados, Typhoons, Rafales, etc. within the threat range of those SA-5s, SA-6s, SA-8s, and the like. They've got their ATC and long-range civilian radars linked in to their military air defenses (radar's radar, right?). The fighters' RWR keeps going off, but they can't do anything, because Dilbert said it would be stupid to respond. Suddenly, there's telephone poles with rocket motors on one end and explosives on the other end heading their way, cued by the radars that have been painting them right and left. Too late to do anything...they're totally defensive, and dead shortly. Because it's "stupid" to do anything about the threats.

Sure...you can respond later. Once you generate the additional sorties and figure out how to replace the planes and aircrew you just lost because of your brilliant planning.

You get to write all the letters and explain to the public why you told them to do nothing.

Fucking brilliant.
Still failing to respond to the point, why not take out all the armoured vehicles parked up in depots when you're doing UN work on the ground?
Why must pilots have the right to vapourise any conceivable threat but soldiers on the ground not get that luxury?
I did respond to the point: It's a completely different threat. If you can't see that by the scenario laid out above, I can't help you.
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11 Bravo wrote:

right so why no action in syria, europe/UN?
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11 Bravo wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

right so why no action in yemen, europe/UN?
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Didn't Salih agree to step down?
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FEOS wrote:

Didn't Salih agree to step down?
no
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Beduin wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Didn't Salih agree to step down?
no
Pretty sure he did...

SANAA (Reuters) - Yemen's President Ali Abdullah Saleh will leave office after organizing congress elections by January 2012, refusing to hand over power without knowing who would succeed him, an aide said on Tuesday.

"President Ali Abdullah Saleh said he will hand over power through (parliamentary) elections and the formation of democratic institutions at the end of 2011 or January 2012," Saleh's media secretary Ahmed al-Sufi told Reuters.
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FEOS wrote:

... refusing to hand over power
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Beduin wrote:

FEOS wrote:

... refusing to hand over power
Yemen's President Ali Abdullah Saleh will leave office
Seriously.
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Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".

Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters "are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists," but added that the "members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader".

His revelations came even as Idriss Deby Itno, Chad's president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, "including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries".

Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against "the foreign invasion" in Afghanistan, before being "captured in 2002 in Peshwar, in Pakistan". He was later handed over to the US, and then held in Libya before being released in 2008.

US and British government sources said Mr al-Hasidi was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, or LIFG, which killed dozens of Libyan troops in guerrilla attacks around Derna and Benghazi in 1995 and 1996.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … links.html

Don't know how true this is but if it is than
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its deff the truth
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11 Bravo wrote:

its deff the truth
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Gaddafi gave the west a lot of intel on terrorist organizations.
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FEOS wrote:

Didn't Salih agree to step down?
he agreed to step down by January 2012 but the opposition(rebels) declined his offer and want him out asap.
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11 Bravo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:


As I said already, it'll be funny if it turns out Gadaffi is right and the rebels are AQ.
well i bet they are.  like i said one in five foreign fighters in iraq were from eastern libya....right where the rebels are.  hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
So is AQ is still thriving under mogaf? Be careful in your answer. Remember the case for war in Afghanistan.
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FEOS wrote:

I did respond to the point: It's a completely different threat. If you can't see that by the scenario laid out above, I can't help you.
Its exactly the same threat, on the one hand pilots in aeroplanes are threatened, on the other soldiers in tanks.

usm wrote:

one in five foreign fighters in iraq were from eastern libya....right where the rebels are.  hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
We're supporting the people who supported the Iraq insurgency?
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Spark wrote:

marine you're completely missing the point. if you assume that a nfz is to be enforced then what dx is arguing, rather moronically, is that bombing AA is not part of enforcing the nfz. which is, erm, moronic.
Unless the AA is flying then destroying it is not part of enforcing a NFZ.

Jay wrote:

Yeah well imposing a NFZ is an act of war to begin with.
Not if its carried out under a UN mandate it isn't.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-03-26 21:01:40)

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Dilbert_X wrote:

usm wrote:

one in five foreign fighters in iraq were from eastern libya....right where the rebels are.  hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
We're supporting the people who supported the Iraq insurgency?
GG.
pretty much
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We also support the British, who were once at war with us. bullshit.
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bomb those motherfuckers too. I don't care
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Kmar wrote:

We also support the British, who were once at war with us. bullshit.
Should have helped Germany in WWI tbh. Would have been better for everybody.
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I'm so pissed about WWI. What a freaking waste! Not to mention everybody blamed Germany. Poor Germany...
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

I'm so pissed about WWI. What a freaking waste! Not to mention everybody blamed Germany. Poor Germany...
Poor Germany indeed. But they did go do that WW2/Hitler thing, so I'd say we're even now.
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Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

I'm so pissed about WWI. What a freaking waste! Not to mention everybody blamed Germany. Poor Germany...
Poor Germany indeed. But they did go do that WW2/Hitler thing, so I'd say we're even now.
UK/France are still dicks. Look at what they did to Czechoslovakia in '39.
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