Does it matter?
I need around tree fiddy.
Poll
What Religion is Barack Obama?
| Christianity | 47% | 47% - 41 | ||||
| Judaism | 3% | 3% - 3 | ||||
| Buddhism | 2% | 2% - 2 | ||||
| Islam | 19% | 19% - 17 | ||||
| Hinduism | 3% | 3% - 3 | ||||
| Other | 5% | 5% - 5 | ||||
| No religion | 17% | 17% - 15 | ||||
| Total: 86 | ||||||
It does if you want to stir up even more reactionary resentment. Every time the opposition would try to attack his citizenship status, someone would chime in with a "yeah, he's a Muslim, too!"
Tactics of ignorance of bigotry. It's all class.
I wonder, would you vote for a member of the church of satan? I mean a 100% goat sacrificing Satanist that just happened to agree with all of the economic and social stances you have with the exception of religious ones?
No you would't.
No you would't.
I would. You realize the satanic church is just a huge satire on religion?
Not if they just said they were Satanist and that was that. However Satanist does tend to imply some social stances which go a bit beyond and are fairly unacceptable to most people.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
The Nine Satanic StatementsSpark wrote:
Not if they just said they were Satanist and that was that. However Satanist does tend to imply some social stances which go a bit beyond and are fairly unacceptable to most people.
The Nine Satanic Statements outline what "Satan" represents in the Church of Satan:[7]
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.
Not really.
Eh, by "tend to imply" means that "the average person insinuates", not necessarily what actually is.Cybargs wrote:
The Nine Satanic StatementsSpark wrote:
Not if they just said they were Satanist and that was that. However Satanist does tend to imply some social stances which go a bit beyond and are fairly unacceptable to most people.
The Nine Satanic Statements outline what "Satan" represents in the Church of Satan:[7]
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.
Not really.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
i voted islam cos i know i raghead when i see one.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
A philosophical Satanist (of the Anton LaVey variety), yes. A Satanist who actually believes in Satan wouldn't agree with my social stances (or my economic stances for that matter) anyway.Macbeth wrote:
I wonder, would you vote for a member of the church of satan? I mean a 100% goat sacrificing Satanist that just happened to agree with all of the economic and social stances you have with the exception of religious ones?
No you would't.
I thought the concept of Satan in Satanism was to be in rebellion of "your God" to be your own God.
That's more like philosophical Satanism. The traditional Satanism concept is the stereotypical sacrifices and evil behavior that Christians often envision it to be.Phrozenbot wrote:
I thought the concept of Satan in Satanism was to be in rebellion of "your God" to be your own God.
Truth be told, there are far more LaVey Satanists (philosophical) than the fire and brimstone types. These Satanists are atheist in actual belief structure.
as i said, a satirical religion, kinda like Rastafarian.Turquoise wrote:
That's more like philosophical Satanism. The traditional Satanism concept is the stereotypical sacrifices and evil behavior that Christians often envision it to be.Phrozenbot wrote:
I thought the concept of Satan in Satanism was to be in rebellion of "your God" to be your own God.
Truth be told, there are far more LaVey Satanists (philosophical) than the fire and brimstone types. These Satanists are atheist in actual belief structure.
Well, Rastafarianism is a real religion. Pastafarianism isn't...Cybargs wrote:
as i said, a satirical religion, kinda like Rastafarian.Turquoise wrote:
That's more like philosophical Satanism. The traditional Satanism concept is the stereotypical sacrifices and evil behavior that Christians often envision it to be.Phrozenbot wrote:
I thought the concept of Satan in Satanism was to be in rebellion of "your God" to be your own God.
Truth be told, there are far more LaVey Satanists (philosophical) than the fire and brimstone types. These Satanists are atheist in actual belief structure.
My point was more along the lines of: what if you don't support some religious practices, like goat sacrificing or female circumcision. I only brough up Satanism because I don't remember the name of that Mexican religion that kills chickens.
But I like where this is going, please continue with it.
But I like where this is going, please continue with it.
Pastafarianism is so a real religion. All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!Turquoise wrote:
Well, Rastafarianism is a real religion. Pastafarianism isn't...Cybargs wrote:
as i said, a satirical religion, kinda like Rastafarian.Turquoise wrote:
That's more like philosophical Satanism. The traditional Satanism concept is the stereotypical sacrifices and evil behavior that Christians often envision it to be.
Truth be told, there are far more LaVey Satanists (philosophical) than the fire and brimstone types. These Satanists are atheist in actual belief structure.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
There really should be an option for "Jedi" in that poll.
True... I think if Obama came out and said something like "I support female circumcisions" then people would have a legitimate protest against him. The same would be true if he said he supported honor killings or executing apostates.Macbeth wrote:
My point was more along the lines of: what if you don't support some religious practices, like goat sacrificing or female circumcision. I only brough up Satanism because I don't remember the name of that Mexican religion that kills chickens.
But I like where this is going, please continue with it.
He presents himself as a moderate Christian but it would be interesting to see his answers to this small questionnaire first done to identify extremist Muslims but adapted to Christianity.
Should Christian women have equal rights with men?
Do you accept the laws of a majority secular government and unreservedly pledge allegiance to that government?
Should the state impose religious observance, such as the posting of the Ten Commandments on public buildings?
When Christian customs conflict with secular laws, which should give way?
Are Catholics and Mormons fully legitimate Christians?
Do you see Christians who disagree with you (e.g. Bishop Spong) as having fallen into unbelief?
Do you accept enhanced security measures to fight militant Christianity, even if this means extra scrutiny of yourself (for example, FBI monitoring of churches)?
Do you accept that the U.S. governmental system is secular, or do you seek to transform the U.S. into a Christian nation?
Should Christian women have equal rights with men?
Do you accept the laws of a majority secular government and unreservedly pledge allegiance to that government?
Should the state impose religious observance, such as the posting of the Ten Commandments on public buildings?
When Christian customs conflict with secular laws, which should give way?
Are Catholics and Mormons fully legitimate Christians?
Do you see Christians who disagree with you (e.g. Bishop Spong) as having fallen into unbelief?
Do you accept enhanced security measures to fight militant Christianity, even if this means extra scrutiny of yourself (for example, FBI monitoring of churches)?
Do you accept that the U.S. governmental system is secular, or do you seek to transform the U.S. into a Christian nation?
Not quite as scary to state their is no God compared to stepping up to the plate in direct opposition of the Almighty I guess. Philosophical Satanist is going to be my new term for atheists, thanks Turq.Turquoise wrote:
That's more like philosophical Satanism. The traditional Satanism concept is the stereotypical sacrifices and evil behavior that Christians often envision it to be.
Truth be told, there are far more LaVey Satanists (philosophical) than the fire and brimstone types. These Satanists are atheist in actual belief structure.
*there
Tu Stultus Es
I'd be more scared of going up against something with a real danger element, like oncoming traffic or a starving tiger.
Well, to be honest, most atheists share a lot in common with philosophical Satanists. I do actually. I think LaVey was mostly correct in his perceptions, although a bit facetious in his approach.Stingray24 wrote:
Not quite as scary to state their is no God compared to stepping up to the plate in direct opposition of the Almighty I guess. Philosophical Satanist is going to be my new term for atheists, thanks Turq.Turquoise wrote:
That's more like philosophical Satanism. The traditional Satanism concept is the stereotypical sacrifices and evil behavior that Christians often envision it to be.
Truth be told, there are far more LaVey Satanists (philosophical) than the fire and brimstone types. These Satanists are atheist in actual belief structure.
A lot of religious people would probably find a few things in common with LaVey's ideas as well.
As for "opposition to the Almighty", it's kind of hard to say you're in opposition to something you don't believe exists. If we are to assume that God is all-powerful and all-knowing, there wouldn't be much point to opposing him anyway, since that would mean that everything is in his hands and was already planned out by him.
It would be like opposing the laws of physics.
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okay You have the corner on " the idea of an objective world view, " From your prospective.Jaekus wrote:
LOL what speaks far greater volumes is the clear fact some of you can't even conceive the idea of an objective world view, let alone try to see from one.
If you don't mind can you show us - Just a little bit of it ? I can't wait. for one.
The real issue is not weather he is muslim Christian in Socialist add your own, It should be obvious
especially for people with an" objective world view "
that fewer people now ( after 2 years ) trust him or take him at his word. That isn't my fault.
Religion only matters for the politician when the person is a Republican (cue Mitt Romney). Double standards...yes it does appear to be so.