BF2S Forums [D&ST Political Slider 2010]

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

you are drifting away form the context of my orginal argument.

BY definition of fascism.......do you agree Obama's action qualifies as fascist? govt. controll over private industry, salary caps for private citizens,

The stiffling of opossing view points, ( not yet but a very real possiblity with this administration and congress.

Only if you stretch what's happening.  Obama is no more a fascist than Bush was.

I used to criticize Bush a lot when he was in office, but I never used the typical "Bush = Hitler" arguments.  Nowadays, it seems that people are trying to do the same with Obama.

Obama isn't controlling any private industries anymore than what our stock holdings allow.  For example, the only major company that the government has bought a controlling interest in is GM, but that's largely because the Canadian government bought a large chunk of it as well.  Naturally, we needed to buy more in order to have more leverage.

Salary caps aren't fascism anymore than the FCC's censorship of media is.

fascism does not automatically equal Hitler...when you break away from that stigma, and go with what fascsim actually means. Obama and hids actions are fascist.vI have made no reference to Hitler.

The 14 characteristics are:

   1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
      Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

   2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
      Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

   3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
      The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

   4. Supremacy of the Military
      Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

   5. Rampant Sexism
      The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

   6. Controlled Mass Media
      Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

   7. Obsession with National Security
      Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

   8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
      Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

   9. Corporate Power is Protected
      The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

  10. Labor Power is Suppressed
      Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
      Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
      Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
      Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

  14. Fraudulent Elections
      Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

I highlighted the ones he does not fall in line with.. as you can see it is most of them. The ones that are not highlighted are debatable, at best.

Now that I think about it.. some of those highlighted points are where the Right complains he doesn't fall in line with..lol.

They say..
He doesn't wear the flag pendant everywhere he goes. (1)
He is hurting the Military (4)
He waste money supporting the arts. Uni professors are indoctrinating students to be liberal. (11)
Weak on National Security (7)
Isn't tough on crime. (12)
Supports Unions. (10)

Kmarion wrote:

The 14 characteristics are:

   1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
      Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

   2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
      Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

   3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
      The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

   4. Supremacy of the Military
      Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

   5. Rampant Sexism
      The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

   6. Controlled Mass Media
      Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

   7. Obsession with National Security
      Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

   8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
      Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

   9. Corporate Power is Protected
      The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

  10. Labor Power is Suppressed
      Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
      Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
      Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
      Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

  14. Fraudulent Elections
      Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

I highlighted the ones he does not fall in line with.. as you can see it is most of them. The ones that are not highlighted are debatable, at best.

Seems to be the GOP to a T.

my race doesn't believe in politics

=NHB=Shadow wrote:

my race doesn't believe in politics

communist people reporting capitalists very bad no?

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2010-05-03 17:16:48)

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

this is bothering me.....i dont know what i am tbh.

a brain

using the term loosely anyways

wot

lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

no? okie dokie

as I said, pick any one of your posts where you used the term against what I posted.....you will find that you have used the word inappropriately BY definition.

Your denial does not matter much and has nothing to do with the FACT of the matter.

so you cant....alrighty.  lowing throws in the towel yet again.  .  youre not a rock, youre a pebble.

america has a left?

centrist at bestest

aka neo-nutjob

lowing wrote:

Obama and hids actions are fascist.

Seriously give it a rest lowing, you're making yourself out to be a real twat right now. Paranoid and delusional tbh.

lowing wrote:

.you will find that you have used the word inappropriately BY definition.

lmao at how yo're ribbing him for not using some definition correctly yet when I do that to you you just start crying. loool