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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

I tend to just wait until I've got a killer hand and then start betting properly, at which point everyone else folds I guess thats not bluffing properly...

Depends on how many people are playing. If I'm at a table with 8 people I'll fold anything that isn't great. Let your opponents take each other out and then your odds of winning are better. You are playing against less hands.

Watch the antes though. Sometimes, after awhile, you are forced to play.

Still obviously flawed strategy. You have to decrease the total number of hands you play, not changing the ratio of good:bad hands that you play.

No it's not. Obviously if you are dealt rockets or something solid you play. But generally speaking it's a good strategy. Stay conservative until the herd thins out. Head to head I'll play more hands because the odds of winning with a weaker hand is higher.

Come play me. Ig, organize something.

10 bucks says FM is all talk.

We should set it for sometime next week to give members a chance to get setup. Hows 7-8 EDT?

Kmarion wrote:

We should set it for sometime next week to give members a chance to get setup. Hows 7-8 EDT?

weve tried it several times, and it never worked. just tell me when, and ill make the tourney. not going to put forth any other effort beside that

Jenspm wrote:

ig, have you read any poker books that are worth reading? Or any internet links on strategy or something?

I actually manage to come quite far for the most part when playing, but I never have a huge stack.. Probably due to me playing more on statistics and less on bluffing and the like. Won £4 on the free rolls the other day lol yay

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32/be … questions/

start there. if you have any specific quesitions pm me

Last edited by whaaaaaaaaaat (2010-04-08 12:53:12)

whaaaaaaaaaat wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

We should set it for sometime next week to give members a chance to get setup. Hows 7-8 EDT?

weve tried it several times, and it never worked. just tell me when, and ill make the tourney. not going to put forth any other effort beside that

I think we need a common platform. Maybe we should start with Zynga/Facebook. Just to get ppl playing.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Poker isn't about your probability to win, it's about what everyone else thinks your probability to win is. Yes it makes sense to play "conservatively" until the weak are culled from the herd, but above all you have to be unpredictable. There is a reason a computer program can't play poker. It's more about the people than the cards.

Not that I know how to play poker itself. The social principles of bluff games still hold.

edit: though I would be interested to know if ig thinks I'm full of shit. I don't know if he plays RL poker or just online though.

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. I was offering a single angle in a game that has many. In case you didn't tick it i was speaking in general.

How about some advice? Contribute something helpful here. Surprise me. Do you want a cookie from ig for saying be unpredictable in poker? Well golly, thanks for the late breaking news Einstein.

Playing 50 good hands to 1 bad hand is not playing "conservatively", it's just dumb. Always play something like 10:1, and to play conservatively when lots of players are on the table decrease the overall number of hands that you play.

Kmarion wrote:

If I'm at a table with 8 people I'll fold anything that isn't great.

This is throwing away some significant percentage of playable hands because you aren't bluffing.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Poker isn't about your probability to win, it's about what everyone else thinks your probability to win is. Yes it makes sense to play "conservatively" until the weak are culled from the herd, but above all you have to be unpredictable. There is a reason a computer program can't play poker. It's more about the people than the cards.

Not that I know how to play poker itself. The social principles of bluff games still hold.

edit: though I would be interested to know if ig thinks I'm full of shit. I don't know if he plays RL poker or just online though.

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. I was offering a single angle in a game that has many. In case you didn't tick it i was speaking in general.

How about some advice? Contribute something helpful here. Surprise me. Do you want a cookie from ig for saying be unpredictable in poker? Well golly, thanks for the late breaking news Einstein.

Playing 50 good hands to 1 bad hand is not playing "conservatively", it's just dumb. Always play something like 10:1, and to play conservatively when lots of players are on the table decrease the overall number of hands that you play.

Kmarion wrote:

If I'm at a table with 8 people I'll fold anything that isn't great.

This is throwing away some significant percentage of playable hands because you aren't bluffing.

My experience (of 20 years) has been that there isn't a need to bluff early on. There is always a handful of loose canons that take each other out. I usually make it to the top 3 in tourneys.

What is "playable" varies by how many ppl you have to beat. A smart kid like yourself should get that.

You play your way and I'll play mine FM. When are you free?

Right, but if something has been working for so long it's going to take something significant for me to change it. It won't be advice from someone who admits they aren't very good at poker. That's just the way it is bobo.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I'm just saying you have to cultivate and then take advantage of deception.

I do this once the junk has been worked, when playing with people you haven't played with before. There are guys that come in and go all in on a whim. Generally speaking those guys don't last long.

My willingness to play varies on a lot of other things as well. Obviously if I'm the big blind and no one raises I'm going to hang around for some free cards. We also aren't being very specific with what are good or great hands in any situation. The point you are getting at is rather basic. Yes you want to keep your opponent guessing. If I bluff everyone out I'm not showing my hand. In order for them to know you bluffed they have to stay in. .. course some ppl show them anyways just to fck with ppls head. I prefer the "you tell me what I had approach". Less likely to give away a tell. 

I do bluff FM.. but it is based on how other people are playing.

whaaaaaaaaaat wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

CanadianLoser wrote:

was i talking to you?

y

10 bucks says youre a losing player. sn plz

Yeah, especially after I posted that I use a bot.  No thanks.

Kmarion wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Still obviously flawed strategy. You have to decrease the total number of hands you play, not changing the ratio of good:bad hands that you play.

Erm.  Are you really suggesting that someone should pick a bad hand every once in a while? 

How the hell did you get that from what I said mr rolleyes?

"ratio of good:bad hands that you play"

You never play bad hands unless you're forced to because your tournament is coming to a close.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Poker isn't about your probability to win, it's about what everyone else thinks your probability to win is. Yes it makes sense to play "conservatively" until the weak are culled from the herd, but above all you have to be unpredictable. There is a reason a computer program can't play poker. It's more about the people than the cards.

Not that I know how to play poker itself. The social principles of bluff games still hold.

edit: though I would be interested to know if ig thinks I'm full of shit. I don't know if he plays RL poker or just online though.

This is so wrong.  Above all, you need to exploit your opponent.  I agree, it's more about the people than the cards.  But the point is that you have to exploit them.  If you're playing a mouse, get the fuck out unless you have a monster.  You do that everything.  It's not like you'll increase your chances of winning that hand by raising with some shit cards just to be unpredictable.  Besides, if you adapt to a different playstyle everytime you play a different type of opponent, you'll be unpredictable enough.  Also; a computer program can play poker.  Statistics being recorded in a database help the computer make decisions.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Poker isn't about your probability to win, it's about what everyone else thinks your probability to win is. Yes it makes sense to play "conservatively" until the weak are culled from the herd, but above all you have to be unpredictable. There is a reason a computer program can't play poker. It's more about the people than the cards.

Not that I know how to play poker itself. The social principles of bluff games still hold.

edit: though I would be interested to know if ig thinks I'm full of shit. I don't know if he plays RL poker or just online though.

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. I was offering a single angle in a game that has many. In case you didn't tick it i was speaking in general.

How about some advice? Contribute something helpful here. Surprise me. Do you want a cookie from ig for saying be unpredictable in poker? Well golly, thanks for the late breaking news Einstein.

Playing 50 good hands to 1 bad hand is not playing "conservatively", it's just dumb. Always play something like 10:1, and to play conservatively when lots of players are on the table decrease the overall number of hands that you play.

Kmarion wrote:

If I'm at a table with 8 people I'll fold anything that isn't great.

This is throwing away some significant percentage of playable hands because you aren't bluffing.

If possible, you should play 1,000,000 good cards to 1 bad card.  Why the hell would you ever chose to play a bad card?  Sure, you can start stealing with a bigger range of hands once you move towards the button.  But that doesn't mean you should choose bad cards on purpose.  You only do that when you're forced to.

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. I was offering a single angle in a game that has many. In case you didn't tick it i was speaking in general.

How about some advice? Contribute something helpful here. Surprise me. Do you want a cookie from ig for saying be unpredictable in poker? Well golly, thanks for the late breaking news Einstein.

Playing 50 good hands to 1 bad hand is not playing "conservatively", it's just dumb. Always play something like 10:1, and to play conservatively when lots of players are on the table decrease the overall number of hands that you play.

Kmarion wrote:

If I'm at a table with 8 people I'll fold anything that isn't great.

This is throwing away some significant percentage of playable hands because you aren't bluffing.

My experience (of 20 years) has been that there isn't a need to bluff early on. There is always a handful of loose canons that take each other out. I usually make it to the top 3 in tourneys.

What is "playable" varies by how many ppl you have to beat. A smart kid like yourself should get that.

You play your way and I'll play mine FM. When are you free?

I agree with this.  At the start of the tournament, blinds are so low and you have a healthy stack so you have lots of time to wait for nice cards.  Don't play unless you need to.  There's no point in trying to bluff with 72o just to make some extra money.  Maybe later in the tournament when you're in danger of being eliminated, but not now.  Also, what type of tournaments do you play to usually finish in the top 3?  STT's don't really count as tournaments..

Also, it's not like you guys can just sit at a poker table, play each other for 1,000 hands, and find out who's the better poker player.  It's called variance.

i agree with FM that it can be useful to play some junk early on, as it helps create a table image. playing tight is most effective when people think you are loose and vice versa, if you decide to do shit all for the first couple of blinds, you are a lot less likely to get paid off with big hands later on

WOW there is software that is SO SURPRISING. Teaching a computer to play poker is like teaching a computer to love.

whaaaaaaaaaat wrote:

can you idiots both shut the fuck up already

you go girl!