ruisleipa
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http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/2 … tml?hpt=C2

Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.

Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.

The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.

The reasoning is that sexual exclusivity in men, liberalism and atheism all go against what would be expected given humans' evolutionary past. In other words, none of these traits would have benefited our early human ancestors, but higher intelligence may be associated with them. "The adoption of some evolutionarily novel ideas makes some sense in terms of moving the species forward," said George Washington University leadership professor James Bailey, who was not involved in the study. "It also makes perfect sense that more intelligent people -- people with, sort of, more intellectual firepower -- are likely to be the ones to do that."

Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said. The study looked at a large sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which began with adolescents in grades 7-12 in the United States during the 1994-95 school year. The participants were interviewed as 18- to 28-year-olds from 2001 to 2002. The study also looked at the General Social Survey, another cross-national data collection source.

Kanazawa did not find that higher or lower intelligence predicted sexual exclusivity in women. This makes sense, because having one partner has always been advantageous to women, even thousands of years ago, meaning exclusivity is not a "new" preference. For men, on the other hand, sexual exclusivity goes against the grain evolutionarily. With a goal of spreading genes, early men had multiple mates. Since women had to spend nine months being pregnant, and additional years caring for very young children, it made sense for them to want a steady mate to provide them resources.

Religion, the current theory goes, did not help people survive or reproduce necessarily, but goes along the lines of helping people to be paranoid, Kanazawa said. Assuming that, for example, a noise in the distance is a signal of a threat helped early humans to prepare in case of danger. "It helps life to be paranoid, and because humans are paranoid, they become more religious, and they see the hands of God everywhere," Kanazawa said. Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found. Atheism "allows someone to move forward and speculate on life without any concern for the dogmatic structure of a religion," Bailey said.

"Historically, anything that's new and different can be seen as a threat in terms of the religious beliefs; almost all religious systems are about permanence," he noted. The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.

"Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said.
Given that human ancestors had a keen interest in the survival of their offspring and nearest kin, the conservative approach -- looking out for the people around you first -- fits with the evolutionary picture more than liberalism, Kanazawa said. "It's unnatural for humans to be concerned about total strangers." he said.

The study found that young adults who said they were "very conservative" had an average adolescent IQ of 95, whereas those who said they were "very liberal" averaged 106. It also makes sense that "conservatism" as a worldview of keeping things stable would be a safer approach than venturing toward the unfamiliar, Bailey said.

Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian." Vegetarianism, while not strongly associated with IQ in this study, has been shown to be related to intelligence in previous research, Kanazawa said. This also fits into Bailey's idea that unconventional preferences appeal to people with higher intelligence, and can also be a means of showing superiority.

None of this means that the human species is evolving toward a future where these traits are the default, Kanazawa said. "More intelligent people don't have more children, so moving away from the trajectory is not going to happen," he said.
So the religious and conservative are stupid. Or at least, less intelligent. I can't help but agree.

Discuss.
NooBesT
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ruisleipa wrote:

So the religious and conservative are stupid. Or at least, less intelligent. I can't help but agree.
The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say.
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FEOS
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11 Bravo
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NooBesT wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

So the religious and conservative are stupid. Or at least, less intelligent. I can't help but agree.
The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say.
Doh!
{M5}Sniper3
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Oh this thread is going to get good...

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KEN-JENNINGS
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Liberalist lol.  Smart ones.
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Mekstizzle
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FEOS wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iq_tests#Criticism_and_views
Yeah

you don't even need an IQ test to know that people who question/don't believe in religion are somewhat smarter than the one's who do. In the sense that generally speaking there is a tendency to have a more scientific base of thought
ruisleipa
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NooBesT wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

So the religious and conservative are stupid. Or at least, less intelligent. I can't help but agree.
The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say.
Yeah I read it smart arse. What's your opinion?
11 Bravo
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i surmise since the finland hockey team failed hard that finns fail hard.  amidoinitrite?
ruisleipa
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11 Bravo wrote:

i surmise since the finland hockey team failed hard that finns fail hard.  amidoinitrite?
Yes Finns fail pretty hard at ice hockey quite often.

I surmise you have nothing interesting to say on this topic. Next!
11 Bravo
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ruisleipa wrote:

I surmise you have nothing interesting to say on this topic. Next!
when in rome....
Turquoise
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I prefer the 8 intelligences model.  IQ only measures mathematical/logical intelligence.

So, logically, it would make sense that the more logically and mathematically minded people tend to be less religious -- because religion is based on faith, not logic.  As for the liberality being connected to mathematical ability, it may have to do with the fact that people with higher levels of education tend to be liberal or at least left of center.  That's not always the case, and there are plenty of exceptions, but that is the predominant trend.

The other 7 intelligences still matter as well though.  They are...

Bodily-kinesthetic (physical fitness)
Interpersonal (social skills)
Verbal-linguistic (language fluency)
Intrapersonal (mental health)
Visual-spatial
Musical
Naturalistic (survival skills, animal skills, agriculture)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_ … elligences

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ruisleipa
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11 Bravo wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

I surmise you have nothing interesting to say on this topic. Next!
when in rome....
OMG you're such a troll. Go somewhere else. Please see Turquoise's post on how to contribute something vaguely intelligent to the thread.

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Cybargs
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Africa has the lowest average IQ out of every other continent.
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Mekstizzle
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What I find interesting is that american (and increasingly british) conservatives often use the word liberal as an insult whereas liberals don't really do vice versa

once you do get someone using conservative in a derogatory manner everyone gets all defensive, even people who i wouldn't really identify as conservative

maybe it's just the natural human psyche

this thread will be closed in proof

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-02-27 11:11:52)

ruisleipa
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Why close it? I reckon it's quite an interesting piece of research.
Mekstizzle
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because the replies the thread has got will dictate that a mod will close it with a stupid end comment of his own, that's how shit works
Turquoise
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Cybargs wrote:

Africa has the lowest average IQ out of every other continent.
If that's true, lack of education is probably most of the reason for that.
Cybargs
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Mekstizzle wrote:

What I find interesting is that american (and increasingly british) conservatives often use the word liberal as an insult whereas liberals don't really do vice versa
They use "capitalist" instead most of the time. Both sides demonize each other.
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Flaming_Maniac
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Mekstizzle wrote:

What I find interesting is that american (and increasingly british) conservatives often use the word liberal as an insult whereas liberals don't really do vice versa
no

and

Mekstizzle wrote:

this thread will be closed in proof
no

p.s. IQ has nothing to do with level of education.
11 Bravo
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ya go figure the author went to columbia and princeton lol
Mekstizzle
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i hardly ever see the word conservative thrown around as an insult as badly as people throw around the word liberal. I don't identify myself as either, but I always see self-identified conservatives constantly bashing things, liberal this, liberal that, blah blah blah

The typical american/british/anglo world self-identified conservatives (the populist type) always act like that

don't just say' no' like a stupid idiot, it was my opinion on how shit is... you can't just say no to an opinion.

The only reason the thread won't be closed now is because i fucking called it

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