Is Africa ever going to become "Civilized"?

2010-01-04 15:55:51

#1

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5465|Ventura, California

I've been reading a lot about Africa lately (Wikipedia and random google sites) and I really wanted to go there sometime, just to see what it's like and discover near cultures and things.

Then I started thinking about movies like Blood Diamond and Lord of War, and about all the History Channel and Discovery Channel shows I used to watch. They show a poor place with "No hope". You've got the South African region (Starting near Congo) where 40% of the people have AIDS (forgot the exact percentage). Then you have places that have become developed like Tunisia, Egypt and Morocco, where life isn't really that bad.

Hundreds of different languages and dialects are spoken on this continent, and plenty of religions to go with them. It seems they just can't get along.

Why do you suppose Africa is the way it is? Why hasn't it kept the pace with Europe, Asia and the Americas?

And furthermore, what would you do if were in charge of some run down African country?

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2010-01-04 16:00:15

#2

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5349|London, England

You gave no timeline so the answer can be nothing other than 'Yes'.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2010-01-04 16:01:46

#3

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,973|6623|949

Read-
White Man's Burden (Kipling)
Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond)

2010-01-04 16:02:10

#4

Andoura: Got loooollllll ?; +853|6630|Montreal, Qc, Canada

I don't know. I hope one day Africa will be Civilized as we are.

2010-01-04 16:12:10

#5

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6708

Burkina Faso and Egypt seems to be doing alright.

Edit: I think Guns, Germs and Steel explains shit a lot better... But a very very long read. Might as well just watch the Nat Geo special.

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2010-01-04 16:13:55

#6

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6122|North Tonawanda, NY

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Read-
White Man's Burden (Kipling)
Guns, Germs and Steel (Diamond)

Guns, Germs and Steel is a fascinating read. I also recommend it.

2010-01-04 17:43:20

#7

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6144|what

-Sh1fty- wrote:
Why do you suppose Africa is the way it is? Why hasn't it kept the pace with Europe, Asia and the Americas?

Rather than colonise, the British decided they'd be far better off simply raping the country for everything it's worth.

2010-01-04 17:52:00

#8

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6122|North Tonawanda, NY

AussieReaper wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
Why do you suppose Africa is the way it is? Why hasn't it kept the pace with Europe, Asia and the Americas?
Rather than colonise, the British decided they'd be far better off simply raping the country for everything it's worth.

It was more than just the British...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/ColonialAfrica.png

2010-01-04 18:11:38

#9

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6708

AussieReaper wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
Why do you suppose Africa is the way it is? Why hasn't it kept the pace with Europe, Asia and the Americas?
Rather than colonise, the British decided they'd be far better off simply raping the country for everything it's worth.

South Africa was a decent colony, so was Egypt.

2010-01-04 18:13:09

#10

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6144|what

SenorToenails wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
Why do you suppose Africa is the way it is? Why hasn't it kept the pace with Europe, Asia and the Americas?
Rather than colonise, the British decided they'd be far better off simply raping the country for everything it's worth.
It was more than just the British...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … Africa.png

Yeah, but take note of where the main African population was. And where Ulundi the capital was located. The above graph shows where the imperialist nations went crazy with the railroad arms race more than anything. And again, that was raping the nation of natural resources.

It was the British who were openly fighting the Zulu. Who didn't go down without a fight mind you, take the battle of Isandlwana as an example. But the final outcome was always obvious when you had a well trained and armed British military against men with spears and cow hide shields.

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2010-01-04 18:21:13

#11

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6708

AussieReaper wrote:
SenorToenails wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:

Rather than colonise, the British decided they'd be far better off simply raping the country for everything it's worth.
It was more than just the British...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … Africa.png
Yeah, but take note of where the main African population was. And where Ulundi the capital was located. The above graph shows where the imperialist nations went crazy with the railroad arms race more than anything. And again, that was raping the nation of natural resources.

It was the British who were openly fighting the Zulu. Who didn't go down without a fight mind you, take the battle of Isandlwana as an example. But the final outcome was always obvious when you had a well trained and armed British military against men with spears and cow hide shields.

Ethopian spears > Italian tanks.

2010-01-04 18:27:44

#12

=NHB=Shadow: hi; +322|6357|California

Cybargs wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
SenorToenails wrote:

It was more than just the British...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … Africa.png
Yeah, but take note of where the main African population was. And where Ulundi the capital was located. The above graph shows where the imperialist nations went crazy with the railroad arms race more than anything. And again, that was raping the nation of natural resources.

It was the British who were openly fighting the Zulu. Who didn't go down without a fight mind you, take the battle of Isandlwana as an example. But the final outcome was always obvious when you had a well trained and armed British military against men with spears and cow hide shields.
Ethopian spears > Italian tanks.

after seeing Avatar, i'm going to have to side with the spears on this one!

2010-01-05 00:26:43

#13

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5465|Ventura, California

Cybargs wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
SenorToenails wrote:

It was more than just the British...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … Africa.png
Yeah, but take note of where the main African population was. And where Ulundi the capital was located. The above graph shows where the imperialist nations went crazy with the railroad arms race more than anything. And again, that was raping the nation of natural resources.

It was the British who were openly fighting the Zulu. Who didn't go down without a fight mind you, take the battle of Isandlwana as an example. But the final outcome was always obvious when you had a well trained and armed British military against men with spears and cow hide shields.
Ethopian spears > Italian tanks.

We had a good laugh about Italian military fails in history class just before vacation

My teacher has this joke:

What are the 3 smallest books in the world?

1 - The human rights in Russia
2 - Italian war heroes
3 - Albanian phone book

I know this is impossible but say you were backed financially by several rich countries. And you had say, 10'000 troops. Could you go into some African country, begin building schools, hospitals and roads by teaching African workers on the job. Then when it all built, you start bringing tractors and stuff in and having them work for themselves.

My uncle went to Africa and he said they won't get better anytime soon because they keep refusing help or using the money for other things.

But then you have towns like Mogadishu which I think will never get good.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2010-01-05 00:39:24

#14

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6492|so randum

your swiss and you talk about military fails lol

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2010-01-05 01:12:44

#15

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5465|Ventura, California

Hold on let me fix that for you sir.

"You're Swiss, and you talk about military fail. lol!"

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2010-01-05 01:16:57

#16

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6144|what

No I think he was right the first time.

2010-01-05 01:19:34

#17

=NHB=Shadow: hi; +322|6357|California

what the poop you look like you belong in north dakota once again

2010-01-05 01:24:58

#18

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|6801|Nårvei

Firstly Africa is a continent, not a country ...

Most states in Africa have become civilized long ago ... depends if you use the term civilized as we do in Europe and the US, it's not directly the same ... remember that's it not that many years ago the last state claimed their independence so many of the states will still need time to develop and try out different forms of government before Africa as a continent will prosper ... that is IF we allow them to be part of the global community ...

Wars will be fought and people will be killed in much the same manor as Europe was shaped ... and my personal opinion is we must let that happen without to much involvement or we'll just prolong that process

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2010-01-05 01:39:29

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AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6144|what

-Sh1fty- wrote:
Hundreds of different languages and dialects are spoken on this continent

Varegg wrote:
Firstly Africa is a continent, not a country ...

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2010-01-05 01:56:05

#20

NooBesT: Pizzahitler; +873|6460

JohnG@lt wrote:
You gave no timeline so the answer can be nothing other than 'Yes'.

What if apocalypse comes before that?

2010-01-05 02:08:24

#21

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5465|Ventura, California

I just saw some pictures of huts and people wearing tons of face paint. Those people could be living in homes with children getting a proper education and medicine against diseases.

Oh and tbh more condoms need to be sold in Southern Africa.

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2010-01-05 02:13:14

#22

RavyGravy: Son.; +617|6397|NSW, Australia

-Sh1fty- wrote:
I just saw some pictures of huts and people wearing tons of face paint. Those people could be living in homes with children getting a proper education and medicine against diseases.

Oh and tbh more condoms need to be sold in Southern Africa.

stop typing.

2010-01-05 02:16:19

#23

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6666|Canberra, AUS

-Sh1fty- wrote:
I just saw some pictures of huts and people wearing tons of face paint. Those people could be living in homes with children getting a proper education and medicine against diseases.

Oh and tbh more condoms need to be sold in Southern Africa.

Is this a joke?

I mean, seriously - surely this must be a joke of a post, because if not than you should leave and stop dragging the general IQ of the place down.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-01-05 03:21:09

#24

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6144|what

Go easy on him guys.

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2010-01-05 03:22:56

#25

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|6801|Nårvei

AussieReaper wrote:
-Sh1fty- wrote:
Hundreds of different languages and dialects are spoken on this continent
Varegg wrote:
Firstly Africa is a continent, not a country ...
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Too many "important" people make just that mistake AR

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