It is quieter if you take the noise stock VGA heatsinks put out, does not require much maintanace if done right, it is more costly to start, but you can move most of it from pc to pc to pc if you choose your parts right, so that will bring down costs over the long haul.FloppY_ wrote:
Meh... I still don't see the point with watercooling...max wrote:
The water in my loop is currently 3°C above ambient.FloppY_ wrote:
Manage cables to meet outside house and mount radiator there?
Surely the water doesn't get super hot in a watercooled system.. does it?
If you're going through the trouble of running tubing outside, I'd bury a bunch of copper tubing in the garden and use that as a heatsink. Then you can enjoy cold water year round, even in the hottest summer. If you do it right, you could even use the PC as an air conditioner. That said, you'd have to insulate the crap out of the PC. Don't want any water condensation dripping onto your GPU
It's not quieter, it's not particularly cooler (as in temps) and it requires more maintanance and fitting AND is more costly... all -'s
Know that for a fact?Nic wrote:
put beer in it, it will work better for you, the minifridge will not work for it.
Beverages and chocolate would be the main contents of said mini-fridge, but I still see how theoretically putting a radiator for a WC system inside wouldn't 'help' your PC. It would keep the rad cooler than any fan could and would also eliminate noise.
If someone who enjoyed doing pointless mods was to do something like that, I think it would work.
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Say you're dumping 200W into the loop and the fridge can remove 30W (100BTU/hour should be around what a decent fridge can do). Since fridges have great insulation, you're going to heat up the air inside the fridge with 170W. Very soon it's going to be rather warm inside the fridge. At some point compressor will take damage. In order to prevent that from happening, some manufacturers build sensors into the fridge so it'll shut down before it takes damageFFLink wrote:
How would the fridge shut down?max wrote:
Won't work. No fridge can take the heat from a running PC. It'll either just shut down or overheat or break.FFLink wrote:
<FFLink> Here's a thought.
<FFLink> Watercooling
<FFLink> The radiator is the main part that spreads cooling
<FFLink> So the colder that is, the coler the temps
<FFLink> *Cooler
<FFLink> Surely, you could just shove the radiator into a fridge?
<FFLink> Like, by a mini fridge
<FFLink> Link your system to it
<FFLink> Also keep beverages in it
Thinking of a new future project...
I mean like this:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/489/ … pboard.png
Would take some modding, fitting the tubing through the fridge's case, etc.
I don't see how it would break the fridge. You could possibly still mount fans on the rad, too, and it would also eliminate any noise within the PC apart from any loud case fans, the pump and hard drives.
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
Hmm, I see your point now. The fridge won't be able to keep up with the heat being output.max wrote:
Say you're dumping 200W into the loop and the fridge can remove 30W (100BTU/hour should be around what a decent fridge can do). Since fridges have great insulation, you're going to heat up the air inside the fridge with 170W. Very soon it's going to be rather warm inside the fridge. At some point compressor will take damage. In order to prevent that from happening, some manufacturers build sensors into the fridge so it'll shut down before it takes damageFFLink wrote:
How would the fridge shut down?max wrote:
Won't work. No fridge can take the heat from a running PC. It'll either just shut down or overheat or break.
I mean like this:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/489/ … pboard.png
Would take some modding, fitting the tubing through the fridge's case, etc.
I don't see how it would break the fridge. You could possibly still mount fans on the rad, too, and it would also eliminate any noise within the PC apart from any loud case fans, the pump and hard drives.
Still a fun idea, just not... Workable.
...
Unless you place the mini-fridge inside a bigger fridge!
You can use a phase change to hit those really low temps. Not really useful for a day-to-day machine. Loads work to setup and run with all the insulating you need. Plus they need a ton of power. Even TECs are questionable for 24/7 use.
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
S'right, you can also look at it as running a swiftech 3x120 rad with 3 yate loons pushing 47 Cubic feet each a minute (pretty average set up) inside a 4-6 cubic foot space, thats putting all the air in the case through the rad ~28 times a minute, a fridge cannot keep up with that, if it didnt shut down like max said, the compressor would run 24/7 and burn out.
I've also read that TEC's are quite delicate and a pain to work with.max wrote:
You can use a phase change to hit those really low temps. Not really useful for a day-to-day machine. Loads work to setup and run with all the insulating you need. Plus they need a ton of power. Even TECs are questionable for 24/7 use.
Link watercooling to an inside pool.
Cool comp and heat pool
Cool comp and heat pool
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously. ♥
Now that's an idea I like. Only problem is when the girls want you to up the temperature on the pool Can't do that, have to keep the CPU at 10°Ctazz. wrote:
Link watercooling to an inside pool.
Cool comp and heat pool
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
10°C
lololol
E: Cold pool = perky tits
but a small john
lololol
E: Cold pool = perky tits
but a small john
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everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously. ♥
guess who just rediscovered the joys of Newzbin + SABnzbd+
Spoiler (highlight to read):
yes, that's 335GB of downloads.
Picking up a couple classics I'm missing, getting a decent quality copy of the Simpsons. The ones I have are nearly all 320x240 *shudder*
Spoiler (highlight to read):
yes, that's 335GB of downloads.
Picking up a couple classics I'm missing, getting a decent quality copy of the Simpsons. The ones I have are nearly all 320x240 *shudder*
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
In all honesty there are some very good aftermarket aircoolers for VGA these days that are very quiet, yet effective.Nic wrote:
It is quieter if you take the noise stock VGA heatsinks put out, does not require much maintanace if done right, it is more costly to start, but you can move most of it from pc to pc to pc if you choose your parts right, so that will bring down costs over the long haul.
Current TEC elements used in home PC cooling are subpar to the industry ones and break easily and their lifetime is quite short.Nic wrote:
I've also read that TEC's are quite delicate and a pain to work with.max wrote:
You can use a phase change to hit those really low temps. Not really useful for a day-to-day machine. Loads work to setup and run with all the insulating you need. Plus they need a ton of power. Even TECs are questionable for 24/7 use.
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3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Panzer you not looking to swap your 5870 for dual 460s? Woulda thought you'd be right for that..
I know better. SLi and CF have major issues behind the technology. I really don't want to get multi-GPU setup unless I absolutely have to.Finray wrote:
Panzer you not looking to swap your 5870 for dual 460s? Woulda thought you'd be right for that..
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Isn't MS less prominent in nVidia than ATi though?
Depends on many things. And even two builds with same specs can be different.Finray wrote:
Isn't MS less prominent in nVidia than ATi though?
Tough luck for those who get it worse.
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Just bought a 2nd GTX 285 today. Second hand, £130!!
sounds pretty expensiveMicrowave wrote:
Just bought a 2nd GTX 285 today. Second hand, £130!!
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
Erm, not really.
Lol James.
Posting from my mates 15" MBP. Lovely piece of kit.
Posting from my mates 15" MBP. Lovely piece of kit.
Posting on my MBP at the moment whilst playing counter strike on my pc it's perfect!
I'm really starting to like the mac, now I've got it configured and software installed I'm happy.
I'm really starting to like the mac, now I've got it configured and software installed I'm happy.
15" MBP's are gay...
get the 17" or go home!
get the 17" or go home!
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libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
13" = portable (makes most sense for a laptop), 17" = desktop replacement, 15" = in the middle, kinda pointless
This... a first-hand 5770 is around the same price.Microwave wrote:
Erm, not really.
I love how the 17" Macbook doesn't have a numpad. That's the one reason I'm going 17" with my next laptop.Uzique wrote:
15" MBP's are gay...
get the 17" or go home!
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP