BF2S Forums Incredible ACORN corruption caught on tape – tax evasion, prostitution

Kind of fits, doesn't it? Obamas favorite group of organizers facilitating child prostitution and tax evasion.
  Pimp daddy obama and his band of crack whore politicians.

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Michael Moore is a filmmaker. Not a journalist.

ACORN trying to justify and legitimize prostitution and trafficking in underage girls had nothing to do with the journalist's beliefs. It had everything to do with ACORN.

O'Keefe is an activist, not a journalist.  Journalists at least attempt to be objective.

The footage shown was edited.  If it was unedited, it would be journalism, because it would show the full context of the conversation.  O'Keefe clearly had an agenda just like Moore does.

Now, I'm not suggesting that the unedited footage would be any less incriminating, but it would certainly be more credible as a news source.

Fair enough.

But the editing of the film doesn't make it less credible. It's not like he spliced together random pieces out of context and did a voice-over full of nonsense a la Moore.

His approach was probably a little less slanted, but his agenda is far too apparent for it to be journalism.

Now, again, I'm not discrediting his findings.  I'm not a fan of ACORN myself, and what O'Keefe did is probably something I could do with a local chapter here as well.

Still, it is worth noting that most ACORN members are volunteers, and we don't know how many places he went before finding people corrupt enough and dumb enough within ACORN to fall for this.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this.  ACORN pulls people from many different walks of life.  Because it's primarily volunteers, you're going to get many people that are, at the very least, questionable in their motivations and actions.  Still, this doesn't mean all of ACORN is corrupt.

But yeah, it's not surprising that much of it is.

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

O'Keefe is an activist, not a journalist.  Journalists at least attempt to be objective.

The footage shown was edited.  If it was unedited, it would be journalism, because it would show the full context of the conversation.  O'Keefe clearly had an agenda just like Moore does.

Now, I'm not suggesting that the unedited footage would be any less incriminating, but it would certainly be more credible as a news source.

Fair enough.

But the editing of the film doesn't make it less credible. It's not like he spliced together random pieces out of context and did a voice-over full of nonsense a la Moore.

His approach was probably a little less slanted, but his agenda is far too apparent for it to be journalism.

Now, again, I'm not discrediting his findings.  I'm not a fan of ACORN myself, and what O'Keefe did is probably something I could do with a local chapter here as well.

Still, it is worth noting that most ACORN members are volunteers, and we don't know how many places he went before finding people corrupt enough and dumb enough within ACORN to fall for this.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this.  ACORN pulls people from many different walks of life.  Because it's primarily volunteers, you're going to get many people that are, at the very least, questionable in their motivations and actions.  Still, this doesn't mean all of ACORN is corrupt.

But yeah, it's not surprising that much of it is.

If you research the story, he did the same exact thing in multiple ACORN offices in multiple cities and states. Two different ACORN offices (granted, fairly close together, geographically) actively tried to help him and his "girlfriend" knowingly break multiple laws.

How much you want to be that, had it been a conservative group, a special prosecutor would already have been named to investigate?

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

Update:  Maryland may prosecute O’Keefe for shooting ACORN video
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/11/u … orn-video/

"The Baltimore city state's attorney is considering prosecuting those responsible for taping the ACORN employees on charges that they violated Maryland's wiretap laws. "

Beyond hilarious... Go ahead Maryland... shine more light on Aporn... lol
Let's make sure that pimps are allowed to run brothels with underage salvadoran girls free from any pesky laws...
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/11/fox … officials/

That's pretty ridiculous, but then again, we are talking about Baltimore -- quite possibly the shittiest city in America (other than maybe Oakland, Detroit, or Fresno).

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LividBovine wrote:

So Turquoise, are you saying we should be investigating ACORN and we won't because the President has strong ties to them?

Yes.  I would like any organization that would appear to be rampant in corruption to be investigated.

Unfortunately, there are lot of groups that fit that description.

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If you research the story, he did the same exact thing in multiple ACORN offices in multiple cities and states. Two different ACORN offices (granted, fairly close together, geographically) actively tried to help him and his "girlfriend" knowingly break multiple laws.

How much you want to be that, had it been a conservative group, a special prosecutor would already have been named to investigate?

How much do you want to bet that, had it occurred while Bush was president, that a special prosecutor would have already been named to investigate ACORN?

The blade cuts both ways.  It doesn't make it right, but it's reality.  The prevailing biases of whoever is in power will dominate government policy.

ACORN existed when Bush was President, Turq.

It's not like they were invented when Obama won the election.

Yes, but...  ACORN did not receive this much attention during Bush's presidency until the campaign season, when Bush was mostly just doing damage control.

Had O'Keefe made big news with this in say...  2005, Bush would've had more power to do something about ACORN and would've had Congress's support.

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

ACORN existed when Bush was President, Turq.

It's not like they were invented when Obama won the election.

Yes, but...  ACORN did not receive this much attention during Bush's presidency until the campaign season, when Bush was mostly just doing damage control.

Had O'Keefe made big news with this in say...  2005, Bush would've had more power to do something about ACORN and would've had Congress's support.

And Obama has all the power and Congressional support he needs to act, should he choose to.

I won't hold my breath.

I won't either.  Like I said before, I agree with Livid's assessment.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

And here's another one.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/broo … ZhAEehLhmL

But it's not systemic. Just isolated. You know, to three of their biggest offices.

They have pulled HUD funding from ACORN.  Senate passed it 83 to 7.  Source

Victory!

And I find it funny that fucking Baltimore is considering taking action against the cameraman for "violating wiretap laws." It's a fucked up world where the Federal government can wiretap me without even a warrant, but an individual citizen is barred from FILMING a fucking thing in front of someone.

Teflon to be fair, a good amount of Democrats (read: most of them) also voted in favor of the measure. I think that, slowly but surely, the more moderate folks in both major parties are getting sick of their wingnut comrades and are trying to distance themselves.

The fun never ends

But it's isolated. Quit picking on them

Racist.