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2009-09-03 10:19:47
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

The point I have been trying to make for years here. 


"Don't judge the Muslims that you know by Islam and
don't judge Islam by the Muslims that you know. "


http://thereligionofpeace.com

from the main link

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muham … u-home.htm

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … s-Play.htm

I love this one.
Linking from yet another hatepage lowing all your links come the same sort of source, the bias kind ... no wonder you have your views because you are looking for material that only supports your view and you discard the rest ... if you atleast had based your opinion after reading several sources and from both camps I would have understood you better but you don't even try ...

Have you visited www.islam.com or www.islamicity.com ?

Those are two sites off the top of my head that aren't biased any direction but made for general information of what Islam are all about both for Muslims and the rest of us ...
That was not a hate page, if you think this, all that tells me is you did not look at it, or read anything from it.

As for your links,

the first one speaks of no less that 24 battles Muhammad was engaged in, hardly a non-violent individual. and kinda proves me right.

and read through the other and I found something interesting, Not one mention of Sharia Law. Now how can one speak of Islam without acknowledging its own laws? Any guesses as to why a site dedicated to projecting Islam as everything but violent and intolerant would NOT speak of its own laws? How many guesses would you need?



I asked you before to not dismiss the sources, but see if you can argue against the facts presented. IF you can not argue against the facts, all that proves is, like it or not, the sources are correct in its information.

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2009-09-04 13:58:53
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Still very much alive over here in Egypt, mixing with Muslims (I'm practically the only fucking tourist here because of Ramadan). I even *shock horror* sat in during prayers at the Imam Hussein Mosque in Islamic Cairo a few days ago to see what all the fuss is about. People who think Islam is inherently violent and 'unpeaceful' are basically fucking retards with no concept of the actual physical daily reality of Islam. They are basically speaking directly out of their rectum. Muslims appear to be just like everyone else in the world - concerned about family and money. Islam is not the problem - the problem is POVERTY. Wittled down subsets of Islam interpreted in such a way to legitimise the actions of people poor, desperate and uneducated should not be used as an indictment of Islam. Those that do have a fucking chip on their shoulder.
2009-09-04 14:05:27
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CameronPoe wrote:

Still very much alive over here in Egypt, mixing with Muslims (I'm practically the only fucking tourist here because of Ramadan). I even *shock horror* sat in during prayers at the Imam Hussein Mosque in Islamic Cairo a few days ago to see what all the fuss is about. People who think Islam is inherently violent and 'unpeaceful' are basically fucking retards with no concept of the actual physical daily reality of Islam. They are basically speaking directly out of their rectum. Muslims appear to be just like everyone else in the world - concerned about family and money. Islam is not the problem - the problem is POVERTY. Wittled down subsets of Islam interpreted in such a way to legitimise the actions of people poor, desperate and uneducated should not be used as an indictment of Islam. Those that do have a fucking chip on their shoulder.
Any chance Islamic laws and the very culture of Islam are contributing to keeping them down?

I gotta tell ya, I hate that article after article disagrees with you. Tell ya what, why don't YOU post some articles arguing how peaceful Islam is, how tolerant Sharia Law is, and how non-violent the teachings and actions of Muhammad are. Basically post something that says all of the facts posted are lies. Ya know instead of just posting insults

No one else seems to be able to, maybe you will.

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2009-09-04 14:09:31
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lowing wrote:

Any chance Islamic laws and the very culture of Islam are contributing to keeping them down?

I gotta tell ya, I hate that article after article disagrees with you. Tell ya what, why don't YOU post some articles arguing how peaceful Islam is, how tolerant Sharia Law is, and how non-violent the teachings and actions of Muhammad are. Basically post something that says all of the facts posted are lies.

No one else seems to be able to, maybe you will.
I'm sorry if article after article that you sift through at your desk in your home thousands of miles away in the USA disagrees with my experience of actual on the ground reality in Morocco, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Palestine & Bosnia & Herzegovina. I'm reeealllly sorry.

Is that something I spy on your shoulder? Feeling a bit humiliated because a small handful of cave dwelling neanderthals slipped through the mighty US' security net and callously and heinously killed 3000 Americans, damaging your precious pride. Get a reality check/life lowing, for fucks sake.
2009-09-04 14:15:30
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Any chance Islamic laws and the very culture of Islam are contributing to keeping them down?

I gotta tell ya, I hate that article after article disagrees with you. Tell ya what, why don't YOU post some articles arguing how peaceful Islam is, how tolerant Sharia Law is, and how non-violent the teachings and actions of Muhammad are. Basically post something that says all of the facts posted are lies.

No one else seems to be able to, maybe you will.
I'm sorry if article after article that you sift through at your desk in your home thousands of miles away in the USA disagrees with my experience of actual on the ground reality in Morocco, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Palestine & Bosnia & Herzegovina. I'm reeealllly sorry.

Is that something I spy on your shoulder? Feeling a bit humiliated because a small handful of cave dwelling neanderthals slipped through the mighty US' security net and callously and heinously killed 3000 Americans, damaging your precious pride. Get a reality check/life lowing, for fucks sake.
Still nothing that PROVES your argument, just more insults, how very liberal of you.

By all means link me to something that tells how tolerant Sharia law is, how non-violent Muhammad and his teachings are.
2009-09-04 14:22:05
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lowing wrote:

Still nothing that PROVES your argument, just more insults, how very liberal of you.

By all means link me to something that tells how tolerant Sharia law is, how non-violent Muhammad and his teachings are.
Here's the deal lowing, you focus on searching for articles and we'll get on with our real lives.

Reality > Internet

Practice > Theory

Statistics > Scattered Isolated Incidents

Understanding why things actually happen > Assuming why and then back-engineering to suit your argument/prejudices

People who had callouses on their head from praying to Allah five times a day (bit surprised at that tbh, never seen that before) here in Egypt told me how Islam is about peace amongst all. I've posted the relevant suras before, you just keep ignoring them. So here's the deal - keep focusing on irrelevant nonsense and we'll live fulfilling lives without unnecessary or irrational generalised suspicion of people on the basis of hearsay and exaggerated fearmongering. Deal?

PS The proof is in my reality, my experiences, in the suras I posted and in every dealing I've ever had with a Muslim. Beats any fucking internet article anyday.

https://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs190.snc1/6385_161762789304_711919304_3472593_7557920_n.jpg

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2009-09-04 14:30:02
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Still nothing that PROVES your argument, just more insults, how very liberal of you.

By all means link me to something that tells how tolerant Sharia law is, how non-violent Muhammad and his teachings are.
Here's the deal lowing, you focus on searching for articles and we'll get on with our real lives.

Reality > Internet

Practice > Theory

Statistics > Scattered Isolated Incidents

Understanding why things actually happen > Assuming why and then back-engineering to suit your argument/prejudices

People who had callouses on their head from praying to Allah five times a day (bit surprised at that tbh, never seen that before) here in Egypt told me how Islam is about peace amongst all. I've posted the relevant suras before, you just keep ignoring them. So here's the deal - keep focusing on irrelevant nonsense and we'll live fulfilling lives without unnecessary or irrational generalised suspicion of people on the basis of hearsay and exaggerated fearmongering. Deal?

PS The proof is in my reality, my experiences, in the suras I posted and in every dealing I've ever had with a Muslim. Beats any fucking internet article anyday.

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak … 7920_n.jpg
The proof is in you as a tourist? interesting.


Still nothing denying the information posted...Muslims and Islam are different issues. Islam is violent and intolernat in its teachings and its laws. Muslims as individuals may not be....Get back with me when you learn the difference.
2009-09-04 14:36:18
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lowing wrote:

The proof is in you as a tourist? interesting.


Still nothing denying the information posted...Muslims and Islam are different issues. Islam is violent and intolernat in its teachings and its laws. Muslims as individuals may not be....Get back with me when you learn the difference.
I argued with you earlier in the thread but you just degenerated into irrationality, as usual. I'm not going to relive that nonsense. Your own choice interpretation of Islam does not match mainstream Islam's interpretation when it comes to dealing with non-Muslims. And that was the point: INTERPRETATION. You select what portions of the Quran you want to stress as critical, I select the portions I want. Reality favours my interpretation. QED. That's is a hard and fast undeniable dyed in the wool fact.

Muslims and Islam are different issues? Get a life lowing, Muslims decide what Islam is. Imams decide. Getting caught up on specific interpretations and theoretical semantics is not exactly the most pointful exercise in the world. But knock yourself out, you seem like you're having fun.

Get back to me when you realise that there are contradictory and vague/ambiguous passages in the Quran that require individual interpretation by human beings. lol
2009-09-04 14:43:45
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

The proof is in you as a tourist? interesting.


Still nothing denying the information posted...Muslims and Islam are different issues. Islam is violent and intolernat in its teachings and its laws. Muslims as individuals may not be....Get back with me when you learn the difference.
I argued with you earlier in the thread but you just degenerated into irrationality, as usual. I'm not going to relive that nonsense. Your own choice interpretation of Islam does not match mainstream Islam's interpretation when it comes to dealing with non-Muslims. And that was the point: INTERPRETATION. You select what portions of the Quran you want to stress as critical, I select the portions I want. Reality favours my interpretation. QED. That's is a hard and fast undeniable dyed in the wool fact.

Muslims and Islam are different issues? Get a life lowing, Muslims decide what Islam is. Imams decide. Getting caught up on specific interpretations and theoretical semantics is not exactly the most pointful exercise in the world. But knock yourself out, you seem like you're having fun.

Get back to me when you realise that there are contradictory and vague/ambiguous passages in the Quran that require individual interpretation by human beings. lol
You claim I dengenrate into irrationality while your arguement consists of name calling and personal attacks? Get over yourself Cam.

My argument, regardless as to how Muslims act as individuals, ISLAM, and its founder areintolerant and violent, Sharia Law proves this, how you deny this is something I will never know considering the evidence.

I also made the point that because of Islamic culture Muslims are for the most part kept down, and must immagrate to the west in order to achieve. But hey ignore that as well.
2009-09-04 14:51:35
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lowing wrote:

You claim I dengenrate into irrationality while your arguement consists of name calling and personal attacks? Get over yourself Cam.

My argument, regardless as to how Muslims act as individuals, ISLAM, and its founder areintolerant and violent, Sharia Law proves this, how you deny this is something I will never know considering the evidence.

I also made the point that because of Islamic culture Muslims are for the most part kept down, and must immagrate to the west in order to achieve. But hey ignore that as well.
Name calling and personal attacks supplemented by rationality. Important difference.

"And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit."

"Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . "

Logic dictates that if you were, as a Muslim, to ignore the two suras above then you would be selectively interpreting the Quran. INTERPRETATION. The two suras above promote peace. There are many other suras governing treatment of dhimmis in Islam dominated territory, that protect basic rights of theirs.

As to Sharia law, it is intolerant towards gays and misogynistic towards women. But that's their cultural prerogative.

As to the latter point - I was never debating anything of that sort with you nor does it relate to the OP.

Islam, by your limited definition, is no more violent than Judaism and no less culturally 'backward' than Hinduism.

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2009-09-04 15:04:47
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

You claim I dengenrate into irrationality while your arguement consists of name calling and personal attacks? Get over yourself Cam.

My argument, regardless as to how Muslims act as individuals, ISLAM, and its founder areintolerant and violent, Sharia Law proves this, how you deny this is something I will never know considering the evidence.

I also made the point that because of Islamic culture Muslims are for the most part kept down, and must immagrate to the west in order to achieve. But hey ignore that as well.
Name calling and personal attacks supplemented by rationality. Important difference.

"And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit."

"Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . "

Logic dictates that if you were, as a Muslim, to ignore the two suras above then you would be selectively interpreting the Quran. INTERPRETATION. The two suras above promote peace. There are many other suras governing treatment of dhimmis in Islam dominated territory, that protect basic rights of theirs.

As to Sharia law, it is intolerant towards gays and misogynistic towards women. But that's their cultural prerogative.

As to the latter point - I was never debating anything of that sort with you nor does it relate to the OP.
Cam, your personal attacks do not put you on the high road regardless as to how you try to rationalize it.
You want to present 2 passages both of which are contridicted within the same book as proof against everything taught within Islam and Sharia Law, and against everything posted?

and yes you did argue the actions of the people are a result of poverty etc...I then asked if Islamic culture is the reason for that poverty? Seems like a fair question.

If Islamic culture was so fuckin' great why leave?
2009-09-04 15:18:14
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lowing wrote:

Cam, your personal attacks do not put you on the high road regardless as to how you try to rationalize it.
Never said they did.

lowing wrote:

You want to present 2 passages both of which are contridicted within the same book as proof against everything taught within Islam and Sharia Law, and against everything posted?
They aren't the only two suras and they prove my simple rational logical point - if you disobey those suras you are not practicing Islam. PERIOD. You have to individually CHOOSE to IGNORE them. Simple as that. This is the Islam 99% of Imams preach and 99% of Muslims practise.

PS Sharia law doesn't apply to non-Muslims.

lowing wrote:

and yes you did argue the actions of the people are a result of poverty etc...I then asked if Islamic culture is the reason for that poverty? Seems like a fair question.

If Islamic culture was so fuckin' great why leave?
Their poverty is generally a symptom of poor government (at the hands of quite unIslamic despots) or legacy issues (historical foreign domination). Malaysia and Turkey are relatively economically successful so Islam can't be taken as the primary reason for their condition. I do think that it may influence matters however as Islam seems to lead to a 'well that's just the way it is' attitude. And as for ' is Islamic culture was so great why did they leave?' - they don't generally abandon Islam, they bring it with them. As you are n doubt aware there are many many economically successful practising European and American Muslims.

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2009-09-04 15:53:56
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Cam, your personal attacks do not put you on the high road regardless as to how you try to rationalize it.
Never said they did.

lowing wrote:

You want to present 2 passages both of which are contridicted within the same book as proof against everything taught within Islam and Sharia Law, and against everything posted?
They aren't the only two suras and they prove my simple rational logical point - if you disobey those suras you are not practicing Islam. PERIOD. You have to individually CHOOSE to IGNORE them. Simple as that. This is the Islam 99% of Imams preach and 99% of Muslims practise.

PS Sharia law doesn't apply to non-Muslims.

lowing wrote:

and yes you did argue the actions of the people are a result of poverty etc...I then asked if Islamic culture is the reason for that poverty? Seems like a fair question.

If Islamic culture was so fuckin' great why leave?
Their poverty is generally a symptom of poor government (at the hands of quite unIslamic despots) or legacy issues (historical foreign domination). Malaysia and Turkey are relatively economically successful so Islam can't be taken as the primary reason for their condition. I do think that it may influence matters however as Islam seems to lead to a 'well that's just the way it is' attitude. And as for ' is Islamic culture was so great why did they leave?' - they don't generally abandon Islam, they bring it with them. As you are n doubt aware there are many many economically successful practising European and American Muslims.
Great so as long as we agree that your personal attacks make you look like the jack-off that you appear to be and contribute nothing to a discussion.



Well Muslims appear to disagree with you

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index … 044AAgBYmS


I never said Sharia law does apply to non-Muslims, I said it is intoelerant and it is based on Islamic teachings. SO Islam is intolerant.

SInce when is  success gaged by how non-violent or intolerant your relgion is?
2009-09-05 02:31:43
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lowing wrote:

Great so as long as we agree that your personal attacks make you look like the jack-off that you appear to be and contribute nothing to a discussion.

Well Muslims appear to disagree with you

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index … 044AAgBYmS

I never said Sharia law does apply to non-Muslims, I said it is intoelerant and it is based on Islamic teachings. SO Islam is intolerant.

SInce when is  success gaged by how non-violent or intolerant your relgion is?
I've contributed plenty of hard fact that trumps your arguments. The suras are what you should like: simple binary black/white yes/no indisputable fact. You use a response to a Yahoo Answers question as a response? One that isn't even relevant? Now that's really poor even by your standards. The suras hold fast - one is even given as the second response. So Jews and Christians won't go to heaven? Guess what: that's what Christians regard what will happen to those of 'non-believer' faiths too and I'm sure Judaism thinks similar (haven't checked). It has little or nothing to do with the thread. The fact of the matter is that if any Muslim disobey the suras I printed, by your own definition, they are not practising Islam. This really the ultimate stretch for you lowing. Very poor.

Like I say, you stick to search engines, I'll stick to reality.

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2009-09-05 07:09:49
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Great so as long as we agree that your personal attacks make you look like the jack-off that you appear to be and contribute nothing to a discussion.

Well Muslims appear to disagree with you

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index … 044AAgBYmS

I never said Sharia law does apply to non-Muslims, I said it is intoelerant and it is based on Islamic teachings. SO Islam is intolerant.

SInce when is  success gaged by how non-violent or intolerant your relgion is?
I've contributed plenty of hard fact that trumps your arguments. The suras are what you should like: simple binary black/white yes/no indisputable fact. You use a response to a Yahoo Answers question as a response? One that isn't even relevant? Now that's really poor even by your standards. The suras hold fast - one is even given as the second response. So Jews and Christians won't go to heaven? Guess what: that's what Christians regard what will happen to those of 'non-believer' faiths too and I'm sure Judaism thinks similar (haven't checked). It has little or nothing to do with the thread. The fact of the matter is that if any Muslim disobey the suras I printed, by your own definition, they are not practising Islam. This really the ultimate stretch for you lowing. Very poor.

Like I say, you stick to search engines, I'll stick to reality.
The Answer went to your assuration that Islam accepts Christians and Jews, nothing more nothing less. I am not a Muslim and niether are you so I let a Muslim answer that for us.

Any chance you want to stack those 2 passages ( everyone's favorite as it turns out) against the rest of Islam, ya know, Muhammads own teachings and actions, Sharia law, curent events, such as cartoons etc,  My argument is that Islam is violent and intolerant, if you think there is nothing that shows this, then you are the one who is need of a reality check.

You dismiss anything that shows you facts,  and instead claim that YOU have all the answers because you are a fuckin tourist. In other words, just because you wish Islam to be peaceful does little to make it so. Sharia law, current events, Muhammads' own actions and teachings, ALL go against you, there is your reality check.

It is you against the internet quite literally, and you maintain every author of every article, every journalist, every report, every video is wrong about Islam and you are right ,because well, you have seen the pyramids, you personally have not been harmed. As if how YOU are treated and YOUR experiences is how the world is to judge Islam. That is some deep deep arrogance you tote around Cam. THat is ok though, it is fun to read.
2009-09-05 12:25:15
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lowing wrote:

...so I let a Muslim answer that for us.
wat?
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2009-09-05 14:23:37
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

...so I let a Muslim answer that for us.
wat?
read up to previous link

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2009-09-05 14:45:51
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lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

...so I let a Muslim answer that for us.
wat?
read up to previous link
Thank you lowing.

Question:

From what I have read and what I know about Islam, it teaches to respect and befriend "people of the book." But I have recently read some troubling hadith which speak of fighting Jews in the end of days. The one which most bothers me is the one that says "even the rocks will shout 'o believer! there is a jew behind me," asking him to come kill the jew. Could some one please explain these to me?

What is the basis of Muslims dealing with non-Muslims

Answer:

In the name of Allah, Most Beneficent, Most Merciful

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

I pray that this finds you well, and in the best of health and spirits. May Allah grant you all good and success in this life and the next.

This hadith relates to mention of one specific situation of conflict that the Prophetic tradition mentioned of the matters relating to the coming of the Last Days. This hadith certainly does not establish that any general principle of hostility between Muslims and non-Muslims--whether Christians, Jews, or others.

Rather, the Qur'anic paradigm of interaction with non-Muslims is that we maintain positive relations as principle, hold fast to fulfillment of rights, and strive uphold excellence in dealings. This was upheld by the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) in his dealings with non-Muslims--as manifest throughout his life, such as in his sending a close group of his companions to the Christian land of Abyssinia in migration; his including the Jews of Madina in the Medina Covenant; his own excellence in dealing with Christians, Jews, and the others, including the polytheists of Mecca, both before and after Islam's strength was manifest.

Looking at the Prophet's own example and teachings, the scholars mention that all the general calls to excellence in dealing in the Qur'an and the Sunna relate to dealing with both Muslims and non-Muslims. Thus, we are called upon to maintain our ties of family and friendship, and our relations with immediate even distant neighbors--whether Muslim or non-Muslim--with excellence.

It is in this spirit that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) is described by Allah Most High as having been sent only as a "Mercy to all Creation." One of the key manifestations of mercy is excellence in conduct and dealings.

And it is in this spirit that that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) himself emphasized, "The merciful are shown mercy by the All-Merciful. Show mercy to those on earth, and the Lord of the Heavens will show mercy to you." [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi, on the authority of Amr ibn Dinar (Allah be pleased with him)] Traditionally, this has been the first hadith formally taught by a scholar to their student, and it has been contiguously transmitted in this manner.

This mercy is the spirit of the Islamic tradition--a spirit of excellence in character, conduct, dealings, and relations, with a firm commitment to justice and all that is good. It is only when some Muslims have veered in their understanding from our tradition that we see anger, intolerance, and ugliness replacing forebearance, tolerance, and beauty, to the loss of all and the good of none.

And Allah alone gives success.

Faraz Rabbani

MMVIII © Faraz Rabbani and SunniPath.
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2009-09-05 15:11:26
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … s-Play.htm


as pointed out earlier, this seems to be a fair factual site that amazingly enough, addresses every argument people like you and Cam make almost to the letter. It would appear that your argument that Islam is nothing but peace and love and tolerant has but a few defenses as seen in this link and in your argument
2009-09-05 15:19:03
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lowing wrote:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm


as pointed out earlier, this seems to be a fair factual site that amazingly enough, addresses every argument people like you and Cam make almost to the letter. It would appear that your argument that Islam is nothing but peace and love and tolerant has but a few defenses as seen in this link and in your argument
games muslims play? I don't play G
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2009-09-05 15:44:08
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm


as pointed out earlier, this seems to be a fair factual site that amazingly enough, addresses every argument people like you and Cam make almost to the letter. It would appear that your argument that Islam is nothing but peace and love and tolerant has but a few defenses as seen in this link and in your argument
games muslims play? I don't play G
That is not addressing the material. Try addressing the material provided
2009-09-05 16:06:12
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while you are at it


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran … -islam.htm
2009-09-05 16:18:07
lowing
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"If the West wants to have peace, then they have to accept Islamic rule."

Abu Bakar Bashir



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakar_Bashir
2009-09-05 17:00:41
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2009-09-05 17:05:58
Beduin
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lowing wrote:

Try addressing the material provided
no u lowing
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