Macbeth
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Don Ayala — the U.S. Army contractor who pleaded guilty to a revenge killing in Afghanistan — won’t be going to prison. Instead, U.S. District Court Judge Claude Hilton sentenced Ayala, a member of the Army’s Human Terrain social science project, to five years probation and a $12,500 fine.

Ayala (pictured, left) began working in Afghanistan in late September, as part of a Human Terrain Team, which embeds cultural advisers in combat units. Originally, the program was conceived as a way to find for commanders nonviolent options for stabilizing chaotic areas: Islamic radio broadcasts to mollify Afghan mullahs, shame tactics to nudge out corrupt Iraqi cops. “In a counterinsurgency, your level of success is inversely proportional to the amount of lethal force that you expend,” lead social scientist Montgomery McFate told Danger Room.

But in a war zone, violence is never far off. Human Terrain teams became involved in several lethal incidents. The latest occurred on November 4th when Ayala was on a foot patrol in the village of Chehel Gazni, with teammate Paula Loyd (pictured, right). Loyd, a social scientist, approached Abdul Salam, who was carrying a fuel jug. He said he had bought it, to fuel up his motorcycle. They started talking about the price of gas. Suddenly, the man doused Lloyd in a flammable liquid and set her on fire, court documents recount.

    Engulfed in a ball of flame large enough to force those near her to involuntarily back away, Paula Loyd screamed in agony as the children that had surrounded her ran away. In the several seconds following the attack, no one could get near enough to Ms. Loyd to help her. Panicked, Ms. Loyd ran around briefly before those near her pulled her to the ground. One of the platoon medics tried to put the fire out with dirt, ultimately grabbing Ms. Loyd by her foot and dragging her into the nearby drainage ditch to douse the flames. By the time the fire was extinguished, all of Ms. Loyd’s clothing had been burned off and only her helmet and body armor remained. Medical personnel would later determine that Ms. Loyd suffered second and third- degree burns over more than 60% of her body.

Ayala chased Salam down, tackled him to the ground, and restrained him with plastic cuffs. ”After about 10 minutes,” according to an Army Criminal Investigation Division affidavit, “a soldier approached the location where Ayala had Salam detained and informed the personnel in the area that Loyd was burned badly. Ayala pushed his pistol against Salam’s head and shot Salam, killing him instantly.”
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Shouldn't have set the woman on fire.
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|6878|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!
Brutal, but the dude deserve to be shot...dont go around in a war zone setting people on fire, expecially when they are heavily armed and expect not to get that sort of treatment.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6712|'Murka

Once they had the guy incapacitated (cuffed), he should've been turned over to local authorities.

Ayala should've gone away for a long, long time.
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PureFodder
Member
+225|6586
If he'd shot him whilst trying to stop the woman from being set on fire then fair enough, but once you've caught and subdued someone it's up to the courts to decide the fate of the suspect.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6801|so randum
What FEOS said. You could almost understand him wanting revenge of some sort, but shooting a prisoner in the back of the head? Should be going down.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6003|College Park, MD
give him a damn medal
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Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|6878|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

give him a damn medal
Nah, its still a barbaric act, No medal there, but should not have trial or anything, maybe a slap on the hand but that's about it....its fucking war, am i the only one that can hardly see any place for courtesy?
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6994
war = different rules

Shoot first ask questions later.
thraSK
Best ___ in Aus
+57|6283
I dont think its inexcusable but I do think a precedent needs to be set so that others dont think its ok
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5876|The Wild West
would it be too revealing to admit that what i think this guy did was awesome?

Last edited by Man With No Name (2009-05-10 07:38:04)

Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6994

Man With No Name wrote:

would it be too revealing to admit that what i think this guy did was awesome?
I wouldn't say it's revealing, but rather an enhancement of assumptions.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5876|The Wild West
assume away
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6994

Man With No Name wrote:

assume away
Will do. No negative judgment from me on this one.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5876|The Wild West
reading the article, the pretyy lady ended up dying.  Good job on the defense team on this one.
Bull3t
stephen brule
+83|6603
He got what was coming to em.

Don't set them on fire and there will be no problems.

Set them on fire, Then expect fucking problems.

This guy settled this out of court
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6748|Chicago, IL
good, I didn't want my tax dollars feeding the other guy anyway, Ayala did what we all wanted to do.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6706|North Carolina

Man With No Name wrote:

would it be too revealing to admit that what i think this guy did was awesome?
I totally fucking agree.

Fuck that asshole.  He should've been burned to death himself.

Every once in a while, street justice is necessary.
mikkel
Member
+383|6902
What's the point of detaining anyone if you're just going to kill them anyway? War or not, this guy needs to go to jail. War does not make murder okay.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6706|North Carolina

mikkel wrote:

What's the point of detaining anyone if you're just going to kill them anyway? War or not, this guy needs to go to jail. War does not make murder okay.
In principle, you are correct.  In reality...  well, most juries would let him off.  I know I would.
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6790|Gogledd Cymru

I'd have done the same if it was me in his shoes.
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6946
careful Macbeth they are not letting us post news no more!
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6051|شمال

mikkel wrote:

War does not make murder okay.
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mikkel
Member
+383|6902

Turquoise wrote:

mikkel wrote:

What's the point of detaining anyone if you're just going to kill them anyway? War or not, this guy needs to go to jail. War does not make murder okay.
In principle, you are correct.  In reality...  well, most juries would let him off.  I know I would.
I don't think any jury anywhere would let this guy off for murdering a detained individual. There's still that whole law thing that they need to take into account.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5876|The Wild West
I would
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6748|Chicago, IL

mikkel wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

mikkel wrote:

What's the point of detaining anyone if you're just going to kill them anyway? War or not, this guy needs to go to jail. War does not make murder okay.
In principle, you are correct.  In reality...  well, most juries would let him off.  I know I would.
I don't think any jury anywhere would let this guy off for murdering a detained individual. There's still that whole law thing that they need to take into account.
He'd be convicted of a much lesser charge, do a few "i so sorry" appearances, and go home.  When bad things happen to bad people, nobody cares.

Gang members are killed weekly in Chicago, and the cops don't put out any effort to find the killer, because, in reality, that's one less they'll have to deal with later.

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