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Freezer7Pro
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Since we can't have all these sexy flamewars in the official thread, let's have this one, and bump it up whenever things get off topic.

Make sure you provide a link to related posts in the other thread, or nobody will get shit.

I'll start:

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

The sole purpose of Digital to analog converter is just what its initials say. DAC does not output any power, thats why we use amps. What DAC does output is not power but signal. Every signal needs to get amplified if you want to hear sound and standalone DACs don't have amplifiers hence no volume knob on any of them.
Analogue audio "signal" is the same as what you get out of the amplifier, just weaker. There are single-chip DACs with a powerful-enough output to drive a pair of headphones.

Normal headphones don't need a lot of power to run. You can plug an amplifier into an MP3 player without turning the volume to the bottom.
If I understand you correctly plugging headphones into Passive RCA out will power them? Is that what you are saying?
It all depends on how the output source is designed. Many DACs and such are current-limited, as they're made to power loads of a couple of kilo-Ohm, such as amplifiers. Others are designed to power <100Ohm loads, and are thus much more powerful. There is more than one kind of DAC out there, you know. It's an active component.

Started here.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-04-09 16:15:44)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|5146|UK
I approve of this thread
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|4989
Jeeesus you resident Tech-geeks just can't let a chance to polish your technological dick down, can you?

Have fun

protip: When someone asks about 'x' technology in the tech-thread, use PM; when a discussion develops in a Tech thread that pertains to all two members of BF2s the world's population, use a PM. I know the rest of us Forum lurkers don't get to see you flex your DAC-resistance wang around in circular motions (or should that be oscillations, or pulses, or wavelengths, or whatthefuckever)- but still, it's more practical and commonsense.

Have a nice day!
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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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I agree with the above two posts haha.
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,446|4716|Winland

Uzique wrote:

Jeeesus you resident Tech-geeks just can't let a chance to polish your technological dick down, can you?

Have fun

protip: When someone asks about 'x' technology in the tech-thread, use PM; when a discussion develops in a Tech thread that pertains to all two members of BF2s the world's population, use a PM. I know the rest of us Forum lurkers don't get to see you flex your DAC-resistance wang around in circular motions (or should that be oscillations, or pulses, or wavelengths, or whatthefuckever)- but still, it's more practical and commonsense.

Have a nice day!
This is public, the loser gets his ego raped. Much more fun.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|4972|The Twilight Zone
So I was asked to post here. Freezer maybe you can link me to some "power DACs" so my ego gets raped and I can go to bed.
https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,446|4716|Winland

.Sup wrote:

So I was asked to post here. Freezer maybe you can link me to some "power DACs" so my ego gets raped and I can go to bed.
http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-p … M8985.html

An all-in-one DAC/ADC chip with headphone output.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Stimey
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+786|4639|Ontario | Canada
So why can't we get in bitch fights in the What Tech thread but we can in this one?
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|4989

Stimey wrote:

So why can't we get in bitch fights in the What Tech thread but we can in this one?
Cause it's off-topic there- that's a thread for technology e-Boners as Flaming eloquently (and rightly) put it. This is for all the peripheral talking and bickering that people want to do over their new toys. Well, that's the conceited premise anyway... what it is in all fact is a thread for the resident techgeeks to battle out their silly BF2s hierarchy to establish the pecking order of, well, the size of their hard-drives, shall we say.

Have fun audiophiles/[email protected] philanthropists/certified electricians.

/point
/laugh

Last edited by Uzique (2009-04-09 20:04:02)

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Defiance
Member
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Freezer7Pro wrote:

This is public, the loser gets his ego raped. Much more fun.
I don't think either of your guys' egos will ever be deflated.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|4972|The Twilight Zone
Ok so lets see, this CODEC (not DAC but CODEC) has: 1.a DAC (for converting digital to analog  2.a headphone driver (for driving phones, prolly opamp based preamp)  3....

https://www.shrani.si/f/1v/2x/2eV22pGo/untitled.png
https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|5251|St. Andrews / Oslo

So gais, at what point would one notice a difference with a portable amp connected to an iPod?
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Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,446|4716|Winland

.Sup wrote:

Ok so lets see, this CODEC (not DAC but CODEC) has: 1.a DAC (for converting digital to analog  2.a headphone driver (for driving phones, prolly opamp based preamp)  3....

http://www.shrani.si/f/1v/2x/2eV22pGo/untitled.png
It's still a single-chip solution that takes in digital and spits out an amplified signal.

And no matter what, if you hook up an oscilloscope to the output of any DAC, you'll get the same result as if you were to hook it up to an amplifier after it.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|4972|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Ok so lets see, this CODEC (not DAC but CODEC) has: 1.a DAC (for converting digital to analog  2.a headphone driver (for driving phones, prolly opamp based preamp)  3....

http://www.shrani.si/f/1v/2x/2eV22pGo/untitled.png
It's still a single-chip solution that takes in digital and spits out an amplified signal.

And no matter what, if you hook up an oscilloscope to the output of any DAC, you'll get the same result as if you were to hook it up to an amplifier after it.
I didn't dispute all in one combos but DAC still only does converting and sending signal to amp.

Jens if you want better sound then amp is always the way to go no matter if you are using earphones or headphones. Change will be more noticeable with more power hungry headphones though. Dedicated amps amplify the signal better than the ones in portable devices-less distortions and nice black sound. My recommendation is get a portable amp for some good headphones.
https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,446|4716|Winland

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Ok so lets see, this CODEC (not DAC but CODEC) has: 1.a DAC (for converting digital to analog  2.a headphone driver (for driving phones, prolly opamp based preamp)  3....

http://www.shrani.si/f/1v/2x/2eV22pGo/untitled.png
It's still a single-chip solution that takes in digital and spits out an amplified signal.

And no matter what, if you hook up an oscilloscope to the output of any DAC, you'll get the same result as if you were to hook it up to an amplifier after it.
I didn't dispute all in one combos but DAC still only does converting and sending signal to amp.

Jens if you want better sound then amp is always the way to go no matter if you are using earphones or headphones. Change will be more noticeable with more power hungry headphones though. Dedicated amps amplify the signal better than the ones in portable devices-less distortions and nice black sound. My recommendation is get a portable amp for some good headphones.
My point is that there is no difference between the signal and what an amplifier spits out, other than the power. If you connect a speaker to any sort of analogue audio signal, you get the same sound as if you were to put an amplifier in between, just weaker.

And a portable amp won't do much good if the source is crap. The distortion caused by the source is also amplified.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|4989
Here's a question audio-techgeeks, seeing as I can't be bothered to research the solution myself:

How could I run KRK Rokit studio monitors through a PC (Creative) sound-card to power my games and system audio?

Speakers in question: http://www.krksys.com/product_rokit.php

I ask because I'm partway through building a production/DJ studio and I'm considering cashing in my pointless gaming 5.1 surround system.
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.Sup
be nice
+2,646|4972|The Twilight Zone
I would recommend going balanced and get the best out of them:
If you do decide to go balanced then here is how I have it set up:

(right click zoom for full size)
https://www.shrani.si/f/44/Z/3hftqjti/0404.jpg
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https://www.shrani.si/f/1m/iF/2vQrl3FC/10s.jpg
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https://www.shrani.si/f/3W/119/49vHZjhn/rp5.jpg


If you will go unbalanced then you will need this cable:
https://www.shrani.si/f/12/oL/1LNsqg5k/rca-jack.jpg
Stereo jack goes into soundcard and one RCA into each monitor. If you're connecting a sub to it then these RCA go into the sub and then from the sub additional RCAs to the monitors.
https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
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Defiance wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

This is public, the loser gets his ego raped. Much more fun.
I don't think either of your guys' egos will ever be deflated.
Just about.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|4972|The Twilight Zone

Poseidon wrote:

Defiance wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

This is public, the loser gets his ego raped. Much more fun.
I don't think either of your guys' egos will ever be deflated.
Just about.
nice bump
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Dauntless
super helpful
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iPhones are immoral, discuss
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13urnzz
Banned
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and sechsy too!

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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|4989
and quote-training anti-apple sentiments in the tech threads = cool, thumbs up, but asking for rationalization = gtfo, ban!
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mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
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Uzique wrote:

and quote-training anti-apple sentiments in the tech threads = cool, thumbs up, but asking for rationalization = gtfo, ban!
Asking for rationalisation shouldn't be done in that particular thread. Here is fine.
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,446|4716|Winland

Apple is dum!
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
AussieReaper
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+5,760|4672|what

You can't even right click on an Apple Mac.

I mean, wtf.
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