BF2S Forums Obama's speech

lowing wrote:

Well, as long as you're not being an ass. I do have a question though.

He made a comment that no one should be above the law, in regards to the question about Bush administration justice investigations.

My first thought when he said that was, does that include cabinet member tax cheats? Apparently they are above the law.

Nixon thought he was above the law too.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I get so confused with all the dicks.

You should get that checked out. It sounds like a great member title though.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

You are painfully biased, it's quite apparent to everyone else, just don't say you stick to the middle. It discredits you. Pick a side, at least the "Obama" side if not the Democratic side, and acknowledge it.

"Painfully biased" Wow, you're really trying hard here.

I do stick to the middle as I'm not blinded by one side. If Obama does something which I disapprove of, I'm going to criticize him. If he does something I don't agree with or think he should do differentely, I'm going to say it. I've already stated my skepticism about the stimulus bill. I mean, I HOPE it works (I don't think anyone here truly hopes it fails, otherwise...well, that'd be pretty pathetic if they do) obviously, but I'm a skeptic about it.

Honestly, you trying to debunk others political standpoints is so hilarious, I can't even begin to describe it. If Bloomberg had ran against Obama, I'd have rooted for Bloomberg. If Chuck Hagel ran against Obama, I'd have supported Chuck Hagel. But no, John McCain was the nominee. Good guy, bad politician. And I believed Obama's plan was far superior to his and still do. That doesn't mean I'm going to blindly support it, I just laugh at people like lowing who still use campaign terms 3 weeks into the administration and have to grasp at straws for anything to bash him for.

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon weren't you running around waving the Obama flag and going to rallies last year?

I may have you confused.

Isn't he too young to vote?

Because you luuuuuuuuuuved Bush, and never ever ever made fun of him for truly irrelevant aspects of his presidency.

I am not trying to poke holes in jack shit. You are just being quite hypocritical in your denouncement of "lowing and other repliers for having political blinders on".

The point is that he is our president now, and you cannot denounce his policy before he even tries anything. We have to support him with the utmost respect until he has proven himself incapable. Of course, some skepticism is healthy, but it's at the cost of doing nothing, which we cannot afford.

Yellowman03 wrote:

The point is that he is our president now, and you cannot denounce his policy before he even tries anything. We have to support him with the utmost respect until he has proven himself incapable. Of course, some skepticism is healthy, but it's at the cost of doing nothing, which we cannot afford.

We can't afford $800 billion. The cost of doing nothing is not throwing $800 billion at the problem.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Yellowman03 wrote:

The point is that he is our president now, and you cannot denounce his policy before he even tries anything. We have to support him with the utmost respect until he has proven himself incapable. Of course, some skepticism is healthy, but it's at the cost of doing nothing, which we cannot afford.

We can't afford $800 billion. The cost of doing nothing is not throwing $800 billion at the problem.

The only reason it's $800 billion is because it's loaded with pork, which is why I say we must support the president and his fiscal policy rather than shove our own desires into it. Currently, it's selfishness that's prolonging recovery.

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon weren't you running around waving the Obama flag and going to rallies last year?

I may have you confused.

Yes, because it was really the first election which I actually truly cared about and got involved in. I supported Obama and his plan more than any other candidate and thought he would do the best job.

However, it's 3 fucking weeks in to his administration. He hasn't done anything monumental to have me stop supporting him. If he becomes a fuckup like Bush, yeah, I'm not gonna support him anymore...but it's too early to tell.

If he proclaims the United States as "These Socialist States of America" like lowing is paranoid of, I'll tip my hat in concession.

He wouldn't do that, ya might not vote for him then. Best to disguise his intentons for now. Let ya think he is God.

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Because you luuuuuuuuuuved Bush, and never ever ever made fun of him for truly irrelevant aspects of his presidency.

I am not trying to poke holes in jack shit. You are just being quite hypocritical in your denouncement of "lowing and other repliers for having political blinders on".

Gotta agree, the fact that everyone that trashed Bush with every breathe is offended and bored at anti-Obama threads is kinda laughable at its absurdity.

Besides all my threads covered different subjects.

1. His appointments of lobbyists and tax cheats that he said would not happen

2. His stimulous package

3. his first news conference.


Whats the problem?

I stood by Bush on a number of things. I trashed him on others. This president will be no different.

I also defended your right to lay in to Obama.

Didn't I fight for the Neo Cons in our match? ..lol

re-read, I agreed with your observtion

Yellowman03 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Yellowman03 wrote:

The point is that he is our president now, and you cannot denounce his policy before he even tries anything. We have to support him with the utmost respect until he has proven himself incapable. Of course, some skepticism is healthy, but it's at the cost of doing nothing, which we cannot afford.

We can't afford $800 billion. The cost of doing nothing is not throwing $800 billion at the problem.

The only reason it's $800 billion is because it's loaded with pork, which is why I say we must support the president and his fiscal policy rather than shove our own desires into it. Currently, it's selfishness that's prolonging recovery.

Obama has everything going for him now. First 100 days, succeeding an incredibly shitty/unpopular president, people in crisis...if he hasn't been able to get a bill through without all the bullshit it's not going to happen.

In any case the bullshit is a relatively small and insignificant proportion of the bill and its true intentions. It's still a bad idea.

Poseidon wrote:

And for the record, I still think Bush did a good job post-9/11. I think his speech at Ground Zero was one of the best I've ever heard, as simple as it was.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Stupid, stupid, stupid to judge a President on his rhetorical skill. Either way.

Could not resist.

lowing wrote:

Best to disguise his intentons for now.

it's a big conspiracy.  be careful, they know you know about it.

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

Gotta agree, the fact that everyone that trashed Bush with every breathe is offended and bored at anti-Obama threads is kinda laughable at its absurdity.

Besides all my threads covered different subjects.

1. His appointments of lobbyists and tax cheats that he said would not happen

2. His stimulous package

3. his first news conference.


Whats the problem?

I stood by Bush on a number of things. I trashed him on others. This president will be no different.

I also defended your right to lay in to Obama.

Didn't I fight for the Neo Cons in our match? ..lol

re-read, I agreed with your observtion

I was not challenging what you said .