CameronPoe
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usmarine wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:

resources for survival.  next
At least you're being candid. For me, that sucks as a reason to fuck with other people. I'd prefer science and innovation to drive self sufficiency.
life aint fair.  ow well.
I think your mentality is part of the problem. And you're right - life isn't fair, and as a consequence we must always seek to change it and hope that it becomes or seeks to be as fair and righteous as possible. We should always strive to point out the cunts and to admonish cuntish and underhand behaviour.
Flaming_Maniac
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CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

At least you're being candid. For me, that sucks as a reason to fuck with other people. I'd prefer science and innovation to drive self sufficiency.
life aint fair.  ow well.
I think your mentality is part of the problem. And you're right - life isn't fair, and as a consequence we must always seek to change it and hope that it becomes or seeks to be as fair and righteous as possible. We should always strive to point out the cunts and to admonish cuntish and underhand behaviour.
But without going so far as to actually do something about it. Just whine and moan. 'cause its effective.
usmarine
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:


life aint fair.  ow well.
I think your mentality is part of the problem. And you're right - life isn't fair, and as a consequence we must always seek to change it and hope that it becomes or seeks to be as fair and righteous as possible. We should always strive to point out the cunts and to admonish cuntish and underhand behaviour.
But without going so far as to actually do something about it. Just whine and moan.
hence the point of the OP right?  wasnt that far of a walk now was it Cam?
Turquoise
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usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

We defeated the evil empire only to become one ourselves.
oh well.  i bet zebra think lions are mean also.  but at the end of the day the lion has to eat, and the zebra cant do anything about it.
The zebra did something about it on 9/11...  and they'll probably do more of that in the near future.

At this point, we're just lucky that extremists aren't smart enough to target water supplies.  It wouldn't take much to kill a lot more people than on 9/11 if they decided to poison reservoirs in some of our major cities.
CameronPoe
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

But without going so far as to actually do something about it. Just whine and moan. 'cause its effective.
All you can really do is make sure you are acting in a right and just manner yourself. Ultimately karma will bite the shitheads in the ass (e.g. Roman Empire, Nazi Empire, etc.).

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usmarine
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Turquoise wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

We defeated the evil empire only to become one ourselves.
oh well.  i bet zebra think lions are mean also.  but at the end of the day the lion has to eat, and the zebra cant do anything about it.
The zebra did something about it on 9/11...  and they'll probably do more of that in the near future.
yes the got hold of a cub.  now they run around from cave to cave.  gj
Flaming_Maniac
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CameronPoe wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

But without going so far as to actually do something about it. Just whine and moan. 'cause its effective.
All you can really do is make sure you are acting in a right and just manner yourself. Ultimately karma will bite the shitheads in the ass (e.g. Roman Empire, Nazi Empire, etc.).
Okay, you let karma try to work things out, I'll do it myself kthx.

Also, you realize the Roman Empire rules for nearly 1000 years and you would be speaking German if Hitler wasn't a tactical retard?
CameronPoe
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Turquoise wrote:

We defeated the evil empire only to become one ourselves.
That is how I feel too, confirmed by the kinds of thoughts expressed by people such as usmarine, and knowing the greatness from which your nation sprung (I spent a week in Boston this summer doing the Freedom Trail, etc. - now there was a righteousness and a band of men to be proud of).
usmarine
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CameronPoe wrote:

now there was a righteousness and a band of men to be proud of.
...who owned slaves and oppressed women.  super duper men
Flaming_Maniac
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usmarine wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

now there was a righteousness and a band of men to be proud of.
...who owned slaves and oppressed women.  super duper men
and didn't want to pay their taxes
Turquoise
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usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine wrote:


oh well.  i bet zebra think lions are mean also.  but at the end of the day the lion has to eat, and the zebra cant do anything about it.
The zebra did something about it on 9/11...  and they'll probably do more of that in the near future.
yes the got hold of a cub.  now they run around from cave to cave.  gj
Think about how much more reckless we'd become if another 9/11 occurred.  We'd be even more paranoid and interventionist than before, and since Obama is as popular as he is, he could probably get away with invading something other than Iraq.

The terrorists won on 9/11, because they tricked us into becoming reactionary idiots.  A large portion of our society still suffers from this idiocy, and if we keep going in that direction, WW3 will result from it.

But you know...  maybe it's time for that.  Maybe it's time for us to fall, because we're too powerful for our own good.
CameronPoe
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Okay, you let karma try to work things out, I'll do it myself kthx.

Also, you realize the Roman Empire rules for nearly 1000 years and you would be speaking German if Hitler wasn't a tactical retard?
I wouldn't be speaking German - I'd be in some form of a Europe-wide insurgency that would ultimately topple an overextended regime. If a neighbour becomes a significant threat then you must do what it takes to defend yourself. I don't argue with that. Frankly though I couldn't see Iraq preparing landing craft for Delaware beach any time soon....
usmarine
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Turquoise wrote:

Maybe it's time for us to fall, because we're too powerful for our own good.
lol....speak for yourself.
CameronPoe
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usmarine wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

now there was a righteousness and a band of men to be proud of.
...who owned slaves and oppressed women.  super duper men
...and along came Lincoln and the 19th amendment....

Progress doesn't occur in one step - it doesn't go: caveman -> super-cyber-robot.
Turquoise
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CameronPoe wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

We defeated the evil empire only to become one ourselves.
That is how I feel too, confirmed by the kinds of thoughts expressed by people such as usmarine, and knowing the greatness from which your nation sprung (I spent a week in Boston this summer doing the Freedom Trail, etc. - now there was a righteousness and a band of men to be proud of).
Thanks, but I think usmarine and flaming are right.

Our existence is only the result of people who decided they wanted to be independent of European oppressors, but right after we beat the English, we turned our own oppression toward the natives.

There really isn't much to be proud of about being American, or being human for that matter.
Flaming_Maniac
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CameronPoe wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Okay, you let karma try to work things out, I'll do it myself kthx.

Also, you realize the Roman Empire rules for nearly 1000 years and you would be speaking German if Hitler wasn't a tactical retard?
I wouldn't be speaking German - I'd be in some form of a Europe-wide insurgency that would ultimately topple an overextended regime. If a neighbour becomes a significant threat then you must do what it takes to defend yourself. I don't argue with that. Frankly though I couldn't see Iraq preparing landing craft for Delaware beach any time soon....
You would be mounting a Europe-wide protest that would subsequently be crushed Tienanmen Square style.

Might makes right. If you don't have any might, well that sucks but you can't do much about it. If you have power and throw it away by choice...well stop bitching about it.
CameronPoe
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It's funny that people are actually defending what amounts to imperialism. All I can say to that is: fuck you, imperialism is heinous, morally objectionable and worthy of cruel backlash and punishment.
Flaming_Maniac
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CameronPoe wrote:

It's funny that people are actually defending what amounts to imperialism. All I can say to that is: fuck you, imperialism is heinous, morally objectionable and worthy of cruel backlash and punishment.
What are you going to do about it?

Because that's the point of the thread. Not what you think is right, but doing something about what you think is right.
CameronPoe
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Might makes right.
lol. Says the man with the poorly-thought-through OP on the 'death of reason' and how we will all live in harmony. That phrase alone is utter cockwater from a moral point of view.

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usmarine
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CameronPoe wrote:

It's funny that people are actually defending what amounts to imperialism. All I can say to that is: fuck you, imperialism is heinous, morally objectionable and worthy of cruel backlash and punishment.
the world wasnt created with those little lines we call borders.
Turquoise
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

It's funny that people are actually defending what amounts to imperialism. All I can say to that is: fuck you, imperialism is heinous, morally objectionable and worthy of cruel backlash and punishment.
What are you going to do about it?

Because that's the point of the thread. Not what you think is right, but doing something about what you think is right.
There are things that can be done about it....   things that usually get you killed or hunted by the government.
CameronPoe
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usmarine wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

It's funny that people are actually defending what amounts to imperialism. All I can say to that is: fuck you, imperialism is heinous, morally objectionable and worthy of cruel backlash and punishment.
the world wasnt created with those little lines we call borders.
Yeah - the borders have pretty much stabilised and are agreed upon internationally now. Or do you live in a 10,000BC timewarp?
Flaming_Maniac
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CameronPoe wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Might makes right.
lol. Says the man with the poorly-thought-through OP on the 'death of reason' and how we will all live in harmony. That phrase alone is utter cockwater from a moral point of view.
1) You failed to understand the point where many others did. It certainly had nothing to do with living in harmony.

2) Stop trying to bring up irrelevant points in your apparent death throes.

3) No shit it sucks morally. The rest of us live in the real world however, where that is pretty much the only rule.
usmarine
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CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

It's funny that people are actually defending what amounts to imperialism. All I can say to that is: fuck you, imperialism is heinous, morally objectionable and worthy of cruel backlash and punishment.
the world wasnt created with those little lines we call borders.
Yeah - the borders have pretty much stabilised and are agreed upon internationally now. Or do you live in a 10,000BC timewarp?
i bet russia would not agree with your first sentance.  nor would most of africa.
Mekstizzle
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CameronPoe wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Okay, you let karma try to work things out, I'll do it myself kthx.

Also, you realize the Roman Empire rules for nearly 1000 years and you would be speaking German if Hitler wasn't a tactical retard?
I wouldn't be speaking German - I'd be in some form of a Europe-wide insurgency that would ultimately topple an overextended regime.
Exactly, Nazi Germany's empire, if it succeeded, wouldn't have lasted for long at all. The USSR didn't last, it was a similar thing except it was successful in the beginning. The British Empire didn't last, China's holdings in Tibet and elsewhere won't last. These things just don't last. Especially not something like Nazi Germany, that for sure wouldn't have lasted.

Nazi Germany is the epitome of evil empire.

There would have been some seriously bad crushings and mass killings, but it wouldn't last. The only reason China is together is because it's dominated by Han Chinese. A large multi ethnic/language evil empire does not last. Fact.

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