Why not open up trade with them...and I mean totally open up trade?
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Like everyone else in the world...you realize they have a Gap and a Starbucks or ten in downtown Tehran, among a lot of other familiar things?
All this crap against Iranians is BS, the average Iranian actually likes western and American culture, movies, music, shopping at the name stores, etc. They don't take their "morals police" very seriously at all (with the teenagers ready to pay the 50 cent fine for wearing a regular t-shirt at all times and then tell the cop to keep walking), and call the ayatollah a "royal asshole" (roughly translated) pretty openly.
Just completely obnoxious that the Iranians and Iran that I know is nothing like the one the propoganda machine will have you believe exists. They have their own version of "Montana militants", but doesn't everyone?
All this crap against Iranians is BS, the average Iranian actually likes western and American culture, movies, music, shopping at the name stores, etc. They don't take their "morals police" very seriously at all (with the teenagers ready to pay the 50 cent fine for wearing a regular t-shirt at all times and then tell the cop to keep walking), and call the ayatollah a "royal asshole" (roughly translated) pretty openly.
Just completely obnoxious that the Iranians and Iran that I know is nothing like the one the propoganda machine will have you believe exists. They have their own version of "Montana militants", but doesn't everyone?
Leave them alone. They got more religiously radicalised the last time you interfered.
But, yes, open up trade. Bring them in from the cold. Let them be exposed and influenced by western culture and they will come knocking on our door some day, instead of us kicking theirs in.
But, yes, open up trade. Bring them in from the cold. Let them be exposed and influenced by western culture and they will come knocking on our door some day, instead of us kicking theirs in.
What do you mean by 'topple'?
Why do you want to 'topple' Iran?
Are you basing your views on the Neo-Con assessment that they represent some kind of threat to American 'interests?
Easiest way would stop buying their oil I guess - give it a try
Why do you want to 'topple' Iran?
Are you basing your views on the Neo-Con assessment that they represent some kind of threat to American 'interests?
Easiest way would stop buying their oil I guess - give it a try
Fuck Israel
I agree, they are becoming more westernised every day. They watch Prison Break and Lost and stupid reality shows, and surf the internet and stuff. Any strong-arming against them just hurts that process. Although one might argue that westernatization of Iran is bad for western world.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Like everyone else in the world...you realize they have a Gap and a Starbucks or ten in downtown Tehran, among a lot of other familiar things?
All this crap against Iranians is BS, the average Iranian actually likes western and American culture, movies, music, shopping at the name stores, etc. They don't take their "morals police" very seriously at all (with the teenagers ready to pay the 50 cent fine for wearing a regular t-shirt at all times and then tell the cop to keep walking), and call the ayatollah a "royal asshole" (roughly translated) pretty openly.
Just completely obnoxious that the Iranians and Iran that I know is nothing like the one the propoganda machine will have you believe exists. They have their own version of "Montana militants", but doesn't everyone?
Tbh greatest weapon in American arsenal is the "Entertainment Industry". It is so shallow and simple and yet so morally corrupt that it is irresistible. It will quickly consume the culture of a country (good and bad aspects), and pave the way for American lifestyle.
A Nuclear strike. You don't need an invasion force for one of those.
Blame it on the Iranians trying to enrich uranium and causing the disaster themselves.
You'd only need the support of the Russians, Indians and Paki's really, in the hope they don't launch anything themselves.
Blame it on the Iranians trying to enrich uranium and causing the disaster themselves.
You'd only need the support of the Russians, Indians and Paki's really, in the hope they don't launch anything themselves.
"Velvet Revolution". It's already happening...just takes a long time.
They'll eventually realize that the nutjobs in power aren't in the people's best interests and they'll throw the bums out.
They'll eventually realize that the nutjobs in power aren't in the people's best interests and they'll throw the bums out.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I watched an interesting documentary on Irish TV a couple of weeks ago about Iran. It followed a female Iranian skier, a young Iranian death metal band and a young Iranian painter as they went about their lives. Yes, the 'moral police' exists in Iran but it seems to be no more intrusive on day to day life for these people than the right-wing Christians in positions of power in the US campaigning to have creationism taught in schools.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Like everyone else in the world...you realize they have a Gap and a Starbucks or ten in downtown Tehran, among a lot of other familiar things?
All this crap against Iranians is BS, the average Iranian actually likes western and American culture, movies, music, shopping at the name stores, etc. They don't take their "morals police" very seriously at all (with the teenagers ready to pay the 50 cent fine for wearing a regular t-shirt at all times and then tell the cop to keep walking), and call the ayatollah a "royal asshole" (roughly translated) pretty openly.
Just completely obnoxious that the Iranians and Iran that I know is nothing like the one the propoganda machine will have you believe exists. They have their own version of "Montana militants", but doesn't everyone?
The singer of the death metal band thought it was hilarious that people possibly imagine Iranians to be towel-clad, camel jockeys. The one guy who did get in bother with the authorities was the artist, he was found to have been painting nudes and portraying the Koran in what could only be described as 'risque' ways... he was placed on some sort of immoral register and had much of his work seized (including his collection of Hollywood movies... and some drugs he had for private use) but he was allowed to return to his home... though he seemed a tad scared to speak out about the authorities after his questioning.
From what I could gather it seems to be as much of a 'who you know not what you know' society as any Western country... if you have an enemy in the 'moral police' you're in trouble, if you have a friend in it then just keep banging out your death metal.
That is probably the solution to a whole host of problems. Globalization can be a strategic goldmine if used properly.Harmor wrote:
Why not open up trade with them...and I mean totally open up trade?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
We don't need to.
Be nuetural, thats the best answer.
Be nuetural, thats the best answer.
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
mind u own business, no need to get involved.
Like you said, trade.
The Iranian people are very disillusioned with their government's failure to do much of anything but start wars, and there are multiple factions forming within the government and the society. The only thing holding them together is their perception of an urgent need to defend their country form American and Israeli "aggression." If we turn off the heat, Iran will fix itself in short order.
The Iranian people are very disillusioned with their government's failure to do much of anything but start wars, and there are multiple factions forming within the government and the society. The only thing holding them together is their perception of an urgent need to defend their country form American and Israeli "aggression." If we turn off the heat, Iran will fix itself in short order.
Why the fuck should you topple Iran? Fuck off and mind your own business for once in your lives. Thats the problem here: people not minding their own fucking business on the international stage.
Surely that applies to those telling thsoe not to interfere in others business as well?CameronPoe wrote:
Why the fuck should you topple Iran? Fuck off and mind your own business for once in your lives. Thats the problem here: people not minding their own fucking business on the international stage.
Not really - someone has to state the facts or advocate against unwarranted aggression. If I was interfering in American taxation policy or advocating invasion of America then you might have a point, but I'm not.M.O.A.B wrote:
Surely that applies to those telling thsoe not to interfere in others business as well?CameronPoe wrote:
Why the fuck should you topple Iran? Fuck off and mind your own business for once in your lives. Thats the problem here: people not minding their own fucking business on the international stage.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-10-07 12:28:08)
Spark wrote:
That is probably the solution to a whole host of problems. Globalization can be a strategic goldmine if used properly.Harmor wrote:
Why not open up trade with them...and I mean totally open up trade?
Let Israel handle it, Iran should be no problem for them. After all, the last time the Arabs and Muslims threatened Israel, it all of 6 days for Israel to kick the ever lovin' shit outta them and have them begging the UN to intervene before Israel took their capital cities.Harmor wrote:
Why not open up trade with them...and I mean totally open up trade?
you first maybe? set an example eh? not just mindless yapping for a change.Dilbert_X wrote:
Easiest way would stop buying their oil I guess - give it a try
It helps when you have the backing of the most powerful nation on the planet. Besides, what does Israel need to handle? Seems like most of the shit everybody got so worked up about a few years back was just rhetoric from somebody who didn't intend to follow through with it.lowing wrote:
Let Israel handle it, Iran should be no problem for them. After all, the last time the Arabs and Muslims threatened Israel, it all of 6 days for Israel to kick the ever lovin' shit outta them and have them begging the UN to intervene before Israel took their capital cities.Harmor wrote:
Why not open up trade with them...and I mean totally open up trade?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Oh of course the ME is no threat to anyone, it is a peaceful place that just wants to live and let live. they should just all be ignored.Flecco wrote:
It helps when you have the backing of the most powerful nation on the planet. Besides, what does Israel need to handle? Seems like most of the shit everybody got so worked up about a few years back was just rhetoric from somebody who didn't intend to follow through with it.lowing wrote:
Let Israel handle it, Iran should be no problem for them. After all, the last time the Arabs and Muslims threatened Israel, it all of 6 days for Israel to kick the ever lovin' shit outta them and have them begging the UN to intervene before Israel took their capital cities.Harmor wrote:
Why not open up trade with them...and I mean totally open up trade?
As far as Israel goes, I am not sure I would pick the US to win against Israel pound for pound.
Hydrogen Cyanide in the water supply. Should do a fair amount of toppling.
I'm not the one calling for Iran to be toppled, Iran is not a problem IMO, I am perfectly happy using Iranian oil.you first maybe? set an example eh? not just mindless yapping for a change.
Iranians in my experience are intelligent, educated peaceful people who don't appreciate being threatened any more than anyone else.
If you want to topple them stop buying their oil.
OrangeHound (Mod): Personal attack removed.
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-10-08 00:09:45)
Fuck Israel
Who exactly is calling for Iran to be toppled?Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm not the one calling for Iran to be toppled, Iran is not a problem IMO, I am perfectly happy using Iranian oil.you first maybe? set an example eh? not just mindless yapping for a change.
Iranians in my experience are intelligent, educated peaceful people who don't appreciate being threatened any more than anyone else.
If you want to topple them stop buying their oil.
OrangeHound (Mod): Personal attack removed.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothetical
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Harmor presumably, he asked the question.
Were I to ask in an open forum 'What would be the best way to assassinate Duhbya?' I doubt the Feds would be too concerned about hypotheticals.
Or maybe they'd give me a rifle, I don't know
Still, there's no purpose in assassinating Duhbya, or anyone else for that matter.
Let him squirm.
Were I to ask in an open forum 'What would be the best way to assassinate Duhbya?' I doubt the Feds would be too concerned about hypotheticals.
Or maybe they'd give me a rifle, I don't know
Still, there's no purpose in assassinating Duhbya, or anyone else for that matter.
Let him squirm.
Fuck Israel
Learn that Iran does not need toppling, and all the bad things you hear on the news is American propaganda that simply is not true.
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