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2008-09-25 06:23:21
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7149|Perth, Western Australia

Kuffar wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

Well, you know there are a number of ways in which the quote above can be viewed.

1. A society can easily sleepwalk into the control of an evil ideology which the majority would reject if they could view it objectively.
We're tlking about liquor licensing. Do the police and concerned mother represent an evil ideology?

Kuffar wrote:

2. Islamic supremacists, who are the dominant ideological force in British Muslim life, share many of the same views as the Nazis did. Gay? Death. Jewish and not subservient? Death. Artist who ignores Islamic/Nazi convention? Death. Change your mind about Islam/National Socialism? Death.

It is no accident that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied himself with Hitler in WW2.

So, while I accept that the parallel is inexact, I do not accept that the comparison is 'beyond retarded'. Not when Jews attempting to attend an anti-Islamization rally in Cologne are being beaten up by blackshirted 'anti-fascists' screaming 'Nazi' as the police look on. All in 21st Century Germany.
Imagine Muslims attending Anti Judaism protest and your comparison falls apart. There would be outrage if that happened.

Listen this is the thing that the conservatives need to understand. Society is not homogeneous (and if you're coming to that word for the first time, enjoy the experience). There will be differing viewpoints on subjects attached to differing sections of the community. The fact that the views of Muslim are dissenting from the mainstream, or the fact that some of the supporters may be immigrants, does not diminish the value of those views. That doesn't mean we all have to agree with them or like them or grant them their wishes, but the fact that they are migrants from a minority religion shouldn't have any bearing on their ability to express their view.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … ahnowreall
"We are all Hizbullah now," proclaimed one of the banners
Idiots everywhere. I'm sure taking the lowest common deonominator and working backwards to generalise an entire commmunity from it seems a good idea to you?

Might I point out also that not only does your article not address the issue at hand, but also doesn't address anything to do with Muslim unrest in Britain. It points out one sign, and then writes what came across as a quite conservative expose' on Hizbollah.

Last edited by SharkyMcshark (2008-09-25 06:29:26)

2008-09-25 06:28:11
Kuffar
Member
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SharkyMcshark wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

Well, you know there are a number of ways in which the quote above can be viewed.

1. A society can easily sleepwalk into the control of an evil ideology which the majority would reject if they could view it objectively.
We're tlking about liquor licensing. Do the police and concerned mother represent an evil ideology?


Imagine Muslims attending Anti Judaism protest and your comparison falls apart. There would be outrage if that happened.

Listen this is the thing that the conservatives need to understand. Society is not homogeneous (and if you're coming to that word for the first time, enjoy the experience). There will be differing viewpoints on subjects attached to differing sections of the community. The fact that the views of Muslim are dissenting from the mainstream, or the fact that some of the supporters may be immigrants, does not diminish the value of those views. That doesn't mean we all have to agree with them or like them or grant them their wishes, but the fact that they are migrants from a minority religion shouldn't have any bearing on their ability to express their view.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … ahnowreall
"We are all Hizbullah now," proclaimed one of the banners
Idiots everywhere. I'm sure taking the lowest common deonominator and working backwards to generalise an entire commmunity from it seems a good idea to you?
http://i15.tinypic.com/2yv9jc8.jpg
2008-09-25 06:38:01
mr.hrundi
Wurstwassereis
+68|6801|Germany

Kuffar wrote:

mr.hrundi wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

I haven't the emotional energy right now to take on nearly everyone here but I will just point to this from an earlier comment:

'The Nazi's didn't force the German people to support them, the German people let the Nazi's take over.'
I suggest reading about the circumstances that led to Hitler getting into power as you clearly have no idea of how it happened.

To point you in the right direction:

Germany lost a world war not long before
The east had just suffered a highly violent revolution from the far left
Democratic powers in germany at that time were incompetent and not able to handle the power they were given by the military after the lost war
I suggest reading my posts so you can work out how I am using the quote and the comparison I am making.
This was your first post in the whole thread. You didn't quote any other post in yours. Where is the comparison?
2008-09-25 06:40:10
Kuffar
Member
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They came afterwards, maybe I posted them after you put yours up. Anyway, my point was that the exact path to power is not the same, nor are the global conditions identical but the danger is the same and very real.
2008-09-25 06:44:12
CameronPoe
Member
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Kuffar wrote:

They came afterwards, maybe I posted them after you put yours up. Anyway, my point was that the exact path to power is not the same, nor are the global conditions identical but the danger is the same and very real.
The danger is also the same and very real that seemingly normal people, like 1930s Germans, can be brainwashed through the media to think that all of a particular minority, the Jews, are subhuman, evil, pernicious and attempting to overthrow the government. Kind of like you. Laid the first brick on your concentration camp yet?
2008-09-25 06:51:43
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6883|Πάϊ

Kuffar wrote:

I haven't the emotional energy right now to take on nearly everyone here but I will just point to this from an earlier comment:

'The Nazi's didn't force the German people to support them, the German people let the Nazi's take over.'
A friendly advice: it is generally frowned upon to compare anything or anyone to Nazi Germany or Hitler respectively. Because all that Nazi crap was way worse than anything that followed and because it happened in some parallel universe and can never happen again because history doesn't repeat itself and for the last time, George Bush is NOT anything like Hitler!!!!


but seriously, I have to say your analogy here is utterly wrong for more than one reason. There's just no comparison.
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2008-09-25 06:57:48
Kuffar
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

They came afterwards, maybe I posted them after you put yours up. Anyway, my point was that the exact path to power is not the same, nor are the global conditions identical but the danger is the same and very real.
The danger is also the same and very real that seemingly normal people, like 1930s Germans, can be brainwashed through the media to think that all of a particular minority, the Jews, are subhuman, evil, pernicious and attempting to overthrow the government. Kind of like you. Laid the first brick on your concentration camp yet?
Sigh. First things first. I don't believe Muslims are sub-human, evil, pernicious or attempting to overthrow the government.

I do believe that Islam itself is currently dominated by ideologies that promote Islamic supremacism through violence, intimidation and cultural and legal subversion. A great many ordinary Muslims want no part of these ideologies which I respect. In fact, Islamic terrorism kills far more Muslims than non-Muslims so you can see that this supremacism I am talking about wishes to impose itself unwilling Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

The problem for these unwilling Muslims is that while non-Muslim progressives and democrats refuse to defend their societies' core values in the name of toleration and instead allow the extremists to dictate the course and extent of the debate then these unwilling Muslims have nowhere to go but into the arms of the loudest in Muslim society - the extremists.

Thank you for throwing the concentration camp jibe at me though Camperon. You add immeasurably to the debate.

Last edited by Kuffar (2008-09-25 07:00:18)

2008-09-25 06:59:29
mr.hrundi
Wurstwassereis
+68|6801|Germany

Kuffar wrote:

Well, you know there are a number of ways in which the quote above can be viewed.

1. A society can easily sleepwalk into the control of an evil ideology which the majority would reject if they could view it objectively.

2. Islamic supremacists, who are the dominant ideological force in British Muslim life, share many of the same views as the Nazis did. Gay? Death. Jewish and not subservient? Death. Artist who ignores Islamic/Nazi convention? Death. Change your mind about Islam/National Socialism? Death.

It is no accident that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied himself with Hitler in WW2.

So, while I accept that the parallel is inexact, I do not accept that the comparison is 'beyond retarded'. Not when Jews attempting to attend an anti-Islamization rally in Cologne are being beaten up by blackshirted 'anti-fascists' screaming 'Nazi' as the police look on. All in 21st Century Germany.
Well, I guess this is the comparison then...

1. That could happen, but: the British public knows exactly which dangers come from radical muslims. They are, after all, one of the major forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. They know of the terror. This results in an opposition to radical Islam, if anything. A petition against selling alcohol in a store can't be called radical. To "sleepwalk into the control of an evil ideology" you have to be sleeping first. England isn't.
Germany didn't "sleepwalk" in there either. They actively voted the Nazis into power. I gave you 3 reasons for that in my first reply to your post.

2. The opinions are similar in some matters. The difference? Radical muslims are shouting theirs all over the place without having political power. The Nazis told a lot of "good" stuff (just like every other politician who wants to get elected). Their real opinions got public after Hitler was elected (I know that he wrote those in "mein Kampf", but no one read that, even afer he got elected).

In my opinion, while probably not bein beyond retarded, the comparison is definately seriously retarded.

To what happens in Cologne: about 10000 people were on the streets every day, while the neonazis tried to do their meetings. The protests successfully prevented the Neonazis from making open speeches. I have not heard of jews being beaten while the police watches. There were, however, Beatings between radical right and radical left, but the police never stood there doing nothing. Wherever you got that from, throw this news-source in the trash.
2008-09-25 07:04:20
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7149|Perth, Western Australia

Kuffar wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Kuffar wrote:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … ahnowreall
"We are all Hizbullah now," proclaimed one of the banners
Idiots everywhere. I'm sure taking the lowest common deonominator and working backwards to generalise an entire commmunity from it seems a good idea to you?
http://i15.tinypic.com/2yv9jc8.jpg
It is still a single mass produced sign that would have been acquired just prior to the demonstration. It does not represent the views of Muslims on the whole.

What amazes with regards to these things is that Muslims are presumed to have this sort of 'all knowingness' - you assume that the people holding those signs have perfect knowledge of Hizbollah and everything they and their agents do. Similarly you can't go a week on here without people trotting out the same worn out old passages in the Q`ran without the same old passages about the smashing of the enemies of Islam being aired - and it is assumed that not only every Muslim knows about them, but also follows them to the letter.

No I'm not apologising for the people with the signs. But similarly you can't say that a few nuts (I see two so far) with mass produced signs a. know fully what they're representing, and b. are representative of the Mulsim population at large.
2008-09-25 07:13:10
CameronPoe
Member
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Kuffar wrote:

I do believe that Islam itself is currently dominated by ideologies that promote Islamic supremacism through violence, intimidation and cultural and legal subversion. A great many ordinary Muslims want no part of these ideologies which I respect. In fact, Islamic terrorism kills far more Muslims than non-Muslims so you can see that this supremacism I am talking about wishes to impose itself unwilling Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

The problem for these unwilling Muslims is that while non-Muslim progressives and democrats refuse to defend their societies' core values in the name of toleration and instead allow the extremists to dictate the course and extent of the debate then these unwilling Muslims have nowhere to go but into the arms of the loudest in Muslim society - the extremists.

Thank you for throwing the concentration camp jibe at me though Camperon. You add immeasurably to the debate.
You almost contradict yourself with your first two sentences. You state that Islam is DOMINATED by certain ideologies, which is a blatant untruth, and then proceed to talk of 'a great many ordinary' Muslims that 'want no part of these ideologies'. The fact of the matter is that the vast vast majority of Muslims want nothing to do with Talibanesque backwardism and never will do and cannot be forced to.
2008-09-25 07:13:12
Kuffar
Member
+11|6077

mr.hrundi wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

Well, you know there are a number of ways in which the quote above can be viewed.

1. A society can easily sleepwalk into the control of an evil ideology which the majority would reject if they could view it objectively.

2. Islamic supremacists, who are the dominant ideological force in British Muslim life, share many of the same views as the Nazis did. Gay? Death. Jewish and not subservient? Death. Artist who ignores Islamic/Nazi convention? Death. Change your mind about Islam/National Socialism? Death.

It is no accident that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied himself with Hitler in WW2.

So, while I accept that the parallel is inexact, I do not accept that the comparison is 'beyond retarded'. Not when Jews attempting to attend an anti-Islamization rally in Cologne are being beaten up by blackshirted 'anti-fascists' screaming 'Nazi' as the police look on. All in 21st Century Germany.
Well, I guess this is the comparison then...

1. That could happen, but: the British public knows exactly which dangers come from radical muslims. They are, after all, one of the major forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. They know of the terror. This results in an opposition to radical Islam, if anything. A petition against selling alcohol in a store can't be called radical. To "sleepwalk into the control of an evil ideology" you have to be sleeping first. England isn't.
Germany didn't "sleepwalk" in there either. They actively voted the Nazis into power. I gave you 3 reasons for that in my first reply to your post.

2. The opinions are similar in some matters. The difference? Radical muslims are shouting theirs all over the place without having political power. The Nazis told a lot of "good" stuff (just like every other politician who wants to get elected). Their real opinions got public after Hitler was elected (I know that he wrote those in "mein Kampf", but no one read that, even afer he got elected).

In my opinion, while probably not bein beyond retarded, the comparison is definately seriously retarded.

To what happens in Cologne: about 10000 people were on the streets every day, while the neonazis tried to do their meetings. The protests successfully prevented the Neonazis from making open speeches. I have not heard of jews being beaten while the police watches. There were, however, Beatings between radical right and radical left, but the police never stood there doing nothing. Wherever you got that from, throw this news-source in the trash.
Yup, that's the bit I meant. Sorry, losing track of the various sub-arguments going on.

1. The public are aware but they are powerless in the face of institutional weakness. Whether it's universities, local councils, schools, the police, the judiciary, national politicians, the EU or the UN, it seems that none of the powers in civil society are capable of acting - despite Islamic supremacists shouting the odds.

2. What if the same is happening today? What if many of those posing as moderates are in fact only doing so because they have not yet got the numbers to reveal their views?

As to Cologne, I was not there. My source is this: http://europenews.dk

It brings together stories from various MSM sources and the blogosphere. You may say it's far-right, I don't, though I don't take it all at face value.

Cologne
http://europenews.dk/en/node/14305

You decide.
2008-09-25 07:24:01
Kuffar
Member
+11|6077

CameronPoe wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

I do believe that Islam itself is currently dominated by ideologies that promote Islamic supremacism through violence, intimidation and cultural and legal subversion. A great many ordinary Muslims want no part of these ideologies which I respect. In fact, Islamic terrorism kills far more Muslims than non-Muslims so you can see that this supremacism I am talking about wishes to impose itself unwilling Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

The problem for these unwilling Muslims is that while non-Muslim progressives and democrats refuse to defend their societies' core values in the name of toleration and instead allow the extremists to dictate the course and extent of the debate then these unwilling Muslims have nowhere to go but into the arms of the loudest in Muslim society - the extremists.

Thank you for throwing the concentration camp jibe at me though Camperon. You add immeasurably to the debate.
You almost contradict yourself with your first two sentences. You state that Islam is DOMINATED by certain ideologies, which is a blatant untruth, and then proceed to talk of 'a great many ordinary' Muslims that 'want no part of these ideologies'. The fact of the matter is that the vast vast majority of Muslims want nothing to do with Talibanesque backwardism and never will do and cannot be forced to.
Islam = a religion. A Muslim = an individual. There is no contradiction whatever. It was not so long ago that the Taliban were very successfully forcing ordinary Afghans (no pushover let's face it) to conform to their particular Deobandi Islamic ideology. You say that the vast majority of Muslims want nothing to do with these Talibanesque backwardisms but the vast majority of Muslims live under versions of the sharia law that empowers just this backwardism.

Whether its Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Sudan, Iran, Somalia, Pakistan, where ever you look there is some form of sharia and some form of backwardism. In every instance you will find that there is a murderous tension between progressives and the religious fundamentalists. Show me one Muslim country where the genuinely progressive are winning.
2008-09-25 07:48:24
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
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Kuffar... so tell me. What is the solution?
What shall we do with the muslims?
OFFTOPIC: Your stats stinks m8

Last edited by Beduin (2008-09-25 08:07:10)

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2008-09-25 08:15:45
Kuffar
Member
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Beduin wrote:

Kuffar... so tell me. What is the solution?
What shall we do with the muslims?
We have to do a number of things and it will all take time. Here are a few for starters

-Make our energy supplies more secure and widen the mix (no, not wind power)
-Leave the EU before Turkey is allowed to join.
-Designate more groups as terrorist and be more active at shutting their activities down in the UK
-Create a second designation of 'subversive but non-violent' and add many groups to that list and shut them down
-Act to regulate mosques in particular so that managers are legally responsible for what is preached or sold. Prosecute.
-Reform welfare provision so that anyone who came here to sponge buggers off to the EU.
-Drastically reduce all forms of immigration for at least five or ten years and be strict about the remainder
-Properly regulate charities to prevent them from funding terrorism abroad. Prosecute.
-Work to limit the flow of Saudi and Wahabhi money into Britain
-Cut the TV licence fee by 50%. Prevent the BBC from taking money from the EU or other sources.
-Change the libel laws so that they cannot be used by rich Arabs to intimidate publishers into silence
-Deport prisoners who are not citizens
-Encourage Muslim dissidents to make their homes here and turn Britain into a centre for Islamic Reformation rather than a centre for jihadi operations as it is today

EDIT:  I know, I suck Monkey Balls. Believe it or not, I'm getting better :S

Last edited by Kuffar (2008-09-25 08:16:38)

2008-09-25 08:27:59
Kuffar
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Just noticed that your profile links here http://www.islamic-sharia.org/

-Forgot to say that repeal of the Arbitration Act 2006 would be the first port of call. Or an amendment to limit this to commercial transactions.

Last edited by Kuffar (2008-09-25 08:29:21)

2008-09-25 08:50:29
Kuffar
Member
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SharkyMcshark wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

Kuffar wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/aug/08/weareallhizbullahnowreall
Idiots everywhere. I'm sure taking the lowest common deonominator and working backwards to generalise an entire commmunity from it seems a good idea to you?
http://i15.tinypic.com/2yv9jc8.jpg
It is still a single mass produced sign that would have been acquired just prior to the demonstration. It does not represent the views of Muslims on the whole.

What amazes with regards to these things is that Muslims are presumed to have this sort of 'all knowingness' - you assume that the people holding those signs have perfect knowledge of Hizbollah and everything they and their agents do. Similarly you can't go a week on here without people trotting out the same worn out old passages in the Q`ran without the same old passages about the smashing of the enemies of Islam being aired - and it is assumed that not only every Muslim knows about them, but also follows them to the letter.

No I'm not apologising for the people with the signs. But similarly you can't say that a few nuts (I see two so far) with mass produced signs a. know fully what they're representing, and b. are representative of the Mulsim population at large.
The problem is that people here in the UK, both Muslim and non-Muslim were and are prepared to associate themselves with a terrorist group that despises them simply because they disagree with Israel's policy in Lebanon.

Why should Muslims face down the terrorists and extremists within their own communities when the rest of society won't?
2008-09-25 08:55:22
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6114|شمال

Kuffar wrote:

Beduin wrote:

Kuffar... so tell me. What is the solution?
What shall we do with the muslims?
We have to do a number of things and it will all take time. Here are a few for starters

-Make our energy supplies more secure and widen the mix (no, not wind power) -Agree
-Leave the EU before Turkey is allowed to join. -Turkey will never join the EU, I dont belive it.
-Designate more groups as terrorist and be more active at shutting their activities down in the UK. -Ok, how? You are saying the gov is not doing enough?
-Create a second designation of 'subversive but non-violent' and add many groups to that list and shut them down. -Thats against freedom of speach.
-Act to regulate mosques in particular so that managers are legally responsible for what is preached or sold. Prosecute. -Mangers are responsible of whats going on on their mosques, but I dont get the "act to regulate" part.
-Reform welfare provision so that anyone who came here to sponge buggers off to the EU. -"Muslims" problem? Isnt that a problem for all?
-Drastically reduce all forms of immigration for at least five or ten years and be strict about the remainder.- Doubt it will help anything, but fine with me
-Properly regulate charities to prevent them from funding terrorism abroad. Prosecute. -Kidding me? CIA is all over them? This has begun after 9/11.
-Work to limit the flow of Saudi and Wahabhi money into Britain.- Never gonna happend. Cause "wahabi" money is part of big business, not only for muslims.
-Cut the TV licence fee by 50%. Prevent the BBC from taking money from the EU or other sources. Ok?
-Change the libel laws so that they cannot be used by rich Arabs to intimidate publishers into silence. Fantasy thought. Money can buy anything.
-Deport prisoners who are not citizens.-Agree, but again depends on the crime
-Encourage Muslim dissidents to make their homes here and turn Britain into a centre for Islamic Reformation rather than a centre for jihadi operations as it is today. -Many muslims do that already. They wish they could have 30% of the democracy the west have.They are saying it out loud

EDIT:  I know, I suck Monkey Balls. Believe it or not, I'm getting better :S. -Good for you
Fixed

Last edited by Beduin (2008-09-25 09:09:12)

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2008-09-25 12:25:02
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:


glad to make your day..............and as for the the rest?
Rest of what?

Don't you want to combat militant preachers and terrorist sympathisers? Because with all your complaining about laws put in place to do just that, you're just sounding weird and confused now.
I see, so laws enacted in GB is somehow combating terrorism hate speech from the ME. Got it. I am sure you already have laws in place that forbid speech about insurection calls to violence and uprising against your govt. Do you not?
The Public Order Act probably covers that sort of stuff to some extent - but clearly that was insufficient, which is why they extended it (this was not a new law, just an amendment). The lengths the government goes to to get watertight legislation to combat terrorism are absurd. The 42 days issue for example.

No one is talking about hate speech from the ME. Abu Hamza was the only radical cleric anyone has given as an example and he lives in London (currently in Belmarsh prison - after being arrested and convicted on several counts of breaking this law you seem to think is there to protect Muslims).
2008-09-26 06:14:40
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7106|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Rest of what?

Don't you want to combat militant preachers and terrorist sympathisers? Because with all your complaining about laws put in place to do just that, you're just sounding weird and confused now.
I see, so laws enacted in GB is somehow combating terrorism hate speech from the ME. Got it. I am sure you already have laws in place that forbid speech about insurection calls to violence and uprising against your govt. Do you not?
The Public Order Act probably covers that sort of stuff to some extent - but clearly that was insufficient, which is why they extended it (this was not a new law, just an amendment). The lengths the government goes to to get watertight legislation to combat terrorism are absurd. The 42 days issue for example.

No one is talking about hate speech from the ME. Abu Hamza was the only radical cleric anyone has given as an example and he lives in London (currently in Belmarsh prison - after being arrested and convicted on several counts of breaking this law you seem to think is there to protect Muslims).
You can thank the DUP for the 42 day ruling, they traded their votes for what ever concessions Brown gave them to stall implementing the GF Agreement in full here.. As Mark Durkin said and I paraphrase "we don't barter in civil liberties" DUP voting in favour was ironic given they were anti-internment here in the seventies when the British State were draging Catholics off to the cages of Long Kesh..
2008-09-26 06:25:08
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6707|tropical regions of london
for god sakes lowing who cares about stupid ass euro muslims in stupid ass euroland?
2008-09-26 07:58:54
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6654|Éire
"150 names on the petition? Get Gordon on the phone... we got a major situation here".
2008-09-28 19:36:50
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7015|USA

God Save the Queen wrote:

for god sakes lowing who cares about stupid ass euro muslims in stupid ass euroland?
Actually I don't.

I just love posting articles that point out PC and appeasement to Islam then watch all of my European friends run around madly denying there is a problem in Europe with the threat to their socialism and national identities.

Just like the liberals in America do with the Mexican invasion.

Last edited by lowing (2008-09-28 19:41:35)

2008-09-28 21:53:19
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7039|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

for god sakes lowing who cares about stupid ass euro muslims in stupid ass euroland?
Actually I don't.

I just love posting articles that point out PC and appeasement to Islam then watch all of my European friends run around madly denying there is a problem in Europe with the threat to their socialism and national identities.

Just like the liberals in America do with the Mexican invasion.
Funny, I see shitloads of threads from you about islam and none about mexicans from liberals.

Seeing things are we?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-09-29 05:52:50
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6654|Éire

lowing wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

for god sakes lowing who cares about stupid ass euro muslims in stupid ass euroland?
Actually I don't.

I just love posting articles that point out PC and appeasement to Islam then watch all of my European friends run around madly denying there is a problem in Europe with the threat to their socialism and national identities.

Just like the liberals in America do with the Mexican invasion.
Until I actually notice a problem with appeasement and PC in my daily life or the daily lives of people I know I'll be quite okay, but thanks for worrying lowing... although your time might be better spent figuring out how you're going to gas all those Mexicans you've got over there.
2008-09-29 05:59:42
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6919

lowing wrote:

I just love posting articles that point out PC and appeasement to Islam then watch all of my European friends run around madly denying there is a problem in Europe with the threat to their socialism and national identities.
Yawn. I'm in 'denial'. lol. Keep trawling 'The Bedford Times' for irrelevant stories that demonstrate nothing but the media's search for a stick to beat Islam with.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-29 06:04:08)

 

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