usmarine
Banned
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Spearhead wrote:

Funny how in the last two threads by C-Poe and Braddock, you were the first one who posted and had nothing to say but spit insults at them.  I'd call that derailing.  lol irony.
lol irony.  stfu.  they were either useless threads or retaliation threads, neither of which warrant any substance.  so get off my nuts.  you are just like mason and others who have to ALWAYS quote me.  while i am flattered, get over it.
topal63
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Spearhead wrote:

Vax wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

There are two possible explanations.  One, that I dont buy at all, is the one where she meant to say "may god be with our soldiers in this war" or meant something like that.  The other, which fits a lot better into her actual phrasing, basically means "The Iraq war is a task from god, ergo, those against it are against god". 

Either she sucks at communication (funny isn't that what she got for her college degree?) or she's a nutcase... nothing new to see here... move along... move along...
It's been explained several times that her comment was taken out of context, and continues to be. Look up the video and watch it to see what she said, since you obviously don't know what the "actual phrasing" is 

Clearly any attempt at explaining it is (and has been) a complete waste of my fucking time.
This one right?  I've heard before you know.



.....still sounds the same to me.  Of course she said pray for our troops... that's what a lot of people say.  But calling anything a "task from god"...?  That would mean anything that goes against that task goes against god.  Could you please explain how I've got this wrong?  Well maybe not if you don't feel like it.  I don't see where I'm totally wrong or anything.  It's up to everyones interpretation I guess....
Here's my interpretation:

She's clearly an idiot and a loon. No wonder usmarine is having wet dreams about her.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6550|Ireland
Can we just ban Braddock and the other Irishmen in this forum, cuz they are just sooooo, Irish.  I mean, would an English Mod tollerate this from some Irish Catholic.  Waaaahhhhh, you took away my country, deleted my thread, and banned me, Waaaaahhhhh.  Get real, I have to work 48+ hours a week to pay for the military that polices the world and protects Ireland and on my day off I come on here to see the Irish cry about a thread being deleted, phhht, makes me wonder what I pay taxes for.
Vax
Member
+42|6218|Flyover country
It's useless.
You have it right there in front of you yet you think it's open to "everyone's interpretation" ? 

There really is no point in discussing it with you

Spearhead wrote:

Context is important....
Oh rly?

Last edited by Vax (2008-09-22 13:47:48)

topal63
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Vax wrote:

It's useless.
You have it right there in front of you yet you think it's open to "everyone's interpretation" ? 

There really is no point in discussing it with you
Sure it's just her "verbiage," that's the problem.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-09-22 14:04:20)

Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7056|Tampa Bay Florida

Vax wrote:

It's useless.
You have it right there in front of you yet you think it's open to "everyone's interpretation" ? 

There really is no point in discussing it with you
Well thanks anyway.

I'd bet 10 bucks you are religious.  Maybe not though.  Care you answer that?  Because someone like me, only went to church one or two times in my life, hell I've been in Jewish synagogues more often than church, would interpret that differently than someone who's used to that kind of talk

I just gave my interpretation, and it makes perfectly clear sense to me.  And yes, things people say are usually open to everyone to interpret them however the hell they want to.  Thats what makes politics so.... uh.... interesting...

The fact you're so defensive says a lot more than the fact you're defending it at all tbh.

Vax wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Context is important....
Oh rly?
Good job, you quoted me.  Oh wait, I said something about context being important?  Wow thats crazy. 

And you think a debate a media bias during interviews is the same as a speech at a church somewhere?  That's real context for you.  The context you were talking about... uh.... well, I could've just said every speech by [insert person I like here] was just taken out of context then, couldnt I?

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-09-22 13:59:11)

Vax
Member
+42|6218|Flyover country

topal63 wrote:

Vax wrote:

It's useless.
You have it right there in front of you yet you think it's open to "everyone's interpretation" ? 

There really is no point in discussing it with you
Sure it's just her "verbage," that's the problem.
Whats the problem ? 

Man, I'm not even religious, and I have explained before on this board that I would prefer religion be kept out of government, so I don't even know why I defend this...I guess I just can't stand people being unfair because they are gullible idiots and can't be bothered to parse what was said.

So you win, Palin is a religious nutcase who thinks the Iraq war is a task from god...and you can even add whatever other stuff you feel like adding since it doesn't matter what the truth is.

Spearhead wrote:

Vax wrote:

It's useless.
You have it right there in front of you yet you think it's open to "everyone's interpretation" ? 

There really is no point in discussing it with you
Well thanks anyway.

I'd bet 10 bucks you are religious.  Maybe not though.  Care you answer that?  Because someone like me, only went to church one or two times in my life, hell I've been in Jewish synagogues more often than church, would interpret that differently than someone who's used to that kind of talk

I just gave my interpretation, and it makes perfectly clear sense to me.  And yes, things people say are usually open to everyone to interpret them however the hell they want to.  Thats what makes politics so.... uh.... interesting...

The fact you're so defensive says a lot more than the fact you're defending it at all tbh.
Eh, read above.

Last edited by Vax (2008-09-22 13:59:58)

Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7056|Tampa Bay Florida

Vax wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Vax wrote:

It's useless.
You have it right there in front of you yet you think it's open to "everyone's interpretation" ? 

There really is no point in discussing it with you
Sure it's just her "verbage," that's the problem.
Whats the problem ? 

Man, I'm not even religious, and I have explained before on this board that I would prefer religion be kept out of government, so I don't even know why I defend this...I guess I just can't stand people being unfair because they are gullible idiots and can't be bothered to parse what was said.

So you win, Palin is a religious nutcase who thinks the Iraq war is a task from god...and you can even add whatever other stuff you feel like adding since it doesn't matter what the truth is.
Actually I heard the speech before I read about it.  How am I a gullible idiot?  You're the one accusing my interpretation of what she said as false.... she clearly said "task from god".

You haven't even explained how what she said was taken out of context yet.  Yes, she said pray for the troops.  Yes, she said the troops were on a task from god.  Yes, that means being against that task would be against god.  Show me where I'm wrong.  And no I dont feel like watching 20 minutes of that crap on youtube... so if she said somewhere something that contradicts what I think, I stand corrected.

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-09-22 14:02:24)

topal63
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OK genius. "Verbiage" in quotes is a reference to statements made by that idiot Palin.

Clearly it is not open to interpretation anymore than feeble McCain saying the "fundamentals of our economy" is open to interpretation.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-09-22 14:04:39)

Vax
Member
+42|6218|Flyover country

Spearhead wrote:

Vax wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Context is important....
Oh rly?
Good job, you quoted me.  Oh wait, I said something about context being important?  Wow thats crazy. 

And you think a debate a media bias during interviews is the same as a speech at a church somewhere?  That's real context for you.  The context you were talking about... uh.... well, I could've just said every speech by [insert person I like here] was just taken out of context then, couldnt I?
*sigh*

I'm done here.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7056|Tampa Bay Florida

Vax wrote:

*sigh*

I'm done here.
You're attempt to use my words against me failed so you leave.  Good job.
Vax
Member
+42|6218|Flyover country

Spearhead wrote:

Vax wrote:

*sigh*

I'm done here.
You're attempt to use my words against me failed so you leave.  Good job.
Err, What ?

I was using your words to remind you that in some situations you find context "important" -- but obviously not in other situations.

[And it's Your not you're, you're is a contraction for "you are" ]

And I just looked through about 5 other threads and cannot find the explanation given previously...

So that is wasting even more time. 

:::::I Think there there is a difference between saying "pray our troops are on a task from god" and saying "our troops ARE on a task from god"

You don't think there is any difference, that's fine with me, have a great day.
topal63
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That's not what she said. And, anyway your paraphrasing isn't substantially any better.

No one is decrying foul-play(!) or suggesting support for our fellow Americans in harms way is a bad thing. Saying she prays for our troops is all fine and dandy, no big deal, so fucking what.  But, she said it's a "task from god" let's "pray it's God's plan."

She could have said "Let us pray for our troops that are in harms way" she didn't.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-09-22 14:45:55)

usmarine
Banned
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ya, too bad she didnt listen to pastors who want to kill whitey.
topal63
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+533|7085

usmarine wrote:

ya, too bad she didnt listen to pastors who want to kill whitey.
Oh yes, Clearly Obama wants to kill Whitey. [/sarcasm, /thinks you are an utter idiot]
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7128

topal63 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

ya, too bad she didnt listen to pastors who want to kill whitey.
Oh yes, Clearly Obama wants to kill Whitey. [/sarcasm, /thinks you are an utter idiot]
i am going to apply the same logic to you, because clearly she thinks god told us to invade iraq.  /sarcasm /dumb fucking liberal pussy idiot
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7016|Washington DC

Careful guys.

*aims hose towards dogs
topal63
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+533|7085

OrangeHound wrote:

Careful guys.

*aims hose towards dogs
You've confused me with someone who actually gives a shit, needs the last word or last insult.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7073|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:

Wow.

I hope things are explained clearly enough now.

For the record, I think it is the reaction of the forum that gets threads closed rather than some bias on the mods part.

I've had perfectly legitimate threads closed because of spamming and insults of others rendered the topic worthless. I've had controversial topics go twenty pages because the argument stayed mostly on topic. If the forum is full of shit it is in the users not the mods. Unlike some other forums I've hung out in the guys who mod here do not have massive ego powertrip complexes. The ones that did are gone.
Regulars may not realize the leeway they are given that forum noobs aren't. They should be a little more grateful.
I'm just going to paste this now whenever people start whining bias.

I didn't close that thread earlier mostly because I thought bias could have played a part in it. The fact that it was closed by a non-U.S. mod, and then successive closures were easily and completely covered by rules and instructions laid out, and you guys are still complaining...lol
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
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ATG wrote:

Regulars may not realize the leeway they are given that forum noobs aren't. They should be a little more grateful.
Some more than others ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6550|Ireland

Varegg wrote:

ATG wrote:

Regulars may not realize the leeway they are given that forum noobs aren't. They should be a little more grateful.
Some more than others ...
Doh!
Mekstizzle
WALKER
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Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Yeah I'd like to see the explanation for that Iraq war "God" shit she was saying. Feel free to post it in this topic instead of saying that it's been explained before and "everyone" knows it. Just post it here so I can see it myself.
She meant it in a "what happens in life is gods will" kind of way. Not in a "lets crusade the middle east" kind of way. Get it?

I think... I'd look it up if I were you. Start with fox news.

OrangeHound wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Yeah I'd like to see the explanation for that Iraq war "God" shit she was saying. Feel free to post it in this topic instead of saying that it's been explained before and "everyone" knows it. Just post it here so I can see it myself.
I don't know if this is Palin's view or not, but there are a lot of Christian relgio-political leaders in America that direct-connect God/Jesus with the American government*.  Essentially, the leadership is that American government is God's method of (a) evangelism, (b) morals, and (c) vengeance against those who are in opposition America or God.

This view seems to have most of its energy in some corners of the Pentecostal & charismatic regions of American Christianity ...



* - That is, the Republican Party section of the American government ... and George Bush is a sort of special agent of God, like an American prophet.
Well both of you still didn't answer my request for a proper explanation on that comment she made.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7013
What would be a proper response? I already explained that context matters but everybody is so eager to look at it from the literal fundamentalist point of view. Explaining beyond that won't matter because everyone has their minds made up.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6777|'Murka

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Yeah I'd like to see the explanation for that Iraq war "God" shit she was saying. Feel free to post it in this topic instead of saying that it's been explained before and "everyone" knows it. Just post it here so I can see it myself.

Palin wrote:

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."
Seems pretty clear to me that she's saying "pray that our national leaders have made the right decision, that it is in line with God's plan". That's not quite the same thing as saying "the Iraq War was a task from God".

Keep in mind, she was speaking to her church. Speakers tailor their message for their audience. I'm sure she wouldn't say it the same way if she were speaking to a civic group on the same topic.
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Vax
Member
+42|6218|Flyover country

FEOS wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Yeah I'd like to see the explanation for that Iraq war "God" shit she was saying. Feel free to post it in this topic instead of saying that it's been explained before and "everyone" knows it. Just post it here so I can see it myself.

Palin wrote:

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."
Seems pretty clear to me that she's saying "pray that our national leaders have made the right decision, that it is in line with God's plan". That's not quite the same thing as saying "the Iraq War was a task from God".

Keep in mind, she was speaking to her church. Speakers tailor their message for their audience. I'm sure she wouldn't say it the same way if she were speaking to a civic group on the same topic.
Thanks, I'm glad someone else sees a difference.

It's been explained and clarified already, nobody wants to listen. They like the narrative that is being pushed by the media (the AP story actually took it out of context) so they want to stick to that. Not much point in trying to correct it with the "my mind is made up" crowd.

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