(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7134|Grapevine, TX
OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIs' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL for his own benefit, apparently. FUCK HIM. He's just swung his last and final strike out as far as Im concerned. Of course you wont hear thi as a topic this week in the news, it will be brushed under the carpet.

No this isnt from an evil right wing source, tbh.

New York Post wrote:

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
God Save the Queen
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McCain has a 40% average grade from Veterans advocacy groups and organizations.



McCain voted against me getting a substanially bigger increase in my GI Bill benefits next year, benefits of which I am dependent upon to complete my higher education.  Fuck McCain in his old POWed ass for trying to take food from my plate.
God Save the Queen
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yo son, this shit gets me heated, yo.  word is bond
ghettoperson
Member
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Isn't the NY Post a shitty tabloidy type paper? At least, that's what it looks like the way they present their news on the front page; I've never bought it.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6995|Tampa Bay Florida

ghettoperson wrote:

Isn't the NY Post a shitty tabloidy type paper? At least, that's what it looks like the way they present their news on the front page; I've never bought it.
Yes.
God Save the Queen
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I dont know anything about the post.  I just know that Im voting for the interests of my demograph.  Veteran.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,984|6937|949

He tried to stall withdrawal but at the same time was pressuring top Armed Forces officials for a "realistic withdrawal date"?  Which one is it?

We won't hear this topic in the news because it's an op-ed piece published in the NY Post.

PS - I think you already had your mind made up about Obama - I don't think you randomly fell upon that op-ed.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-09-15 17:29:37)

God Save the Queen
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That cockchoker mccain really tried to keep me in the poor house.
Home
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Spearhead wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Isn't the NY Post a shitty tabloidy type paper? At least, that's what it looks like the way they present their news on the front page; I've never bought it.
Yes.
Yep. It's a Murdoch-owned paper.
Vax
Member
+42|6157|Flyover country

God Save the Queen wrote:

McCain has a 40% average grade from Veterans advocacy groups and organizations.



McCain voted against me getting a substanially bigger increase in my GI Bill benefits next year, benefits of which I am dependent upon to complete my higher education.  Fuck McCain in his old POWed ass for trying to take food from my plate.
I 'spose I'll google that, but do you have any links? I mean I believe you, but it just seems strange for an ex military guy  -- i'd like to know what his reasoning was ...
Is he just anti vet ? Trying to starve you guys perhaps...
usmarine
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you think mccain fucked your GI bill?  you should have tried to use during the clinton years lulz
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7012|67.222.138.85
Let's keep things a little more on topic relative to the article.
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6633

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Let's keep things a little more on topic relative to the article.
I think the article has a lot of words in it. Thoughts?


Spoiler (highlight to read):
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Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6489|Ireland

God Save the Queen wrote:

McCain has a 40% average grade from Veterans advocacy groups and organizations.



McCain voted against me getting a substanially bigger increase in my GI Bill benefits next year, benefits of which I am dependent upon to complete my higher education.  Fuck McCain in his old POWed ass for trying to take food from my plate.
Get a job, I worked, served in the Guard, and went to college at the same time.  Hell it won't even affect your payments, saw plenty of veterans go to college, hold a job, and serve in the Guard all at the same time without crying they need more and doing with the benefits they signed up for when they joined.

Don't tell me you are one of the few that aren't taking a ride on the disability train after serving, it seems all my friend have issues with backs and knees that get them anywhere from $300 - $500 a month and free camping, hunting, fishing and hiring preferences.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6995|Tampa Bay Florida

God Save the Queen wrote:

I dont know anything about the post.  I just know that Im voting for the interests of my demograph.  Veteran.
I'm a whiny little elitist who hasnt completed college yet.
13rin
Member
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God Save the Queen wrote:

McCain has a 40% average grade from Veterans advocacy groups and organizations.



McCain voted against me getting a substanially bigger increase in my GI Bill benefits next year, benefits of which I am dependent upon to complete my higher education.  Fuck McCain in his old POWed ass for trying to take food from my plate.
How would feel about someone going over to Iraq and trying to convince the military leaders not to set a withdraw date until after the elections? Thus delaying the troop surge needed in Afghanistan.  Obama (if true here) is undermining the President.  Logan act his ass!  It'll never happen though. 

I would hope that it'd kinda piss you off that someone would attempt to undermine a Commander in Chief and then claim victory for himself.  Also what has Obama been saying about the war and surges to the public?  The opposite of what he's doing behind close doors.  Change?  Dude, he's been lying to you and literally playing politics with your brothers' lives...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6968|USA

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIs' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL for his own benefit, apparently. FUCK HIM. He's just swung his last and final strike out as far as Im concerned. Of course you wont hear thi as a topic this week in the news, it will be brushed under the carpet.

No this isnt from an evil right wing source, tbh.

New York Post wrote:

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
How about this. Pulling 8,000 troops now, which would take us almost to pre-Surge levels theoretically by some opinions would send Iraq back to where it was. We don't know where it is now because there is 0 coverage. But let's assume the scale down of troops would bring more radicals out again with their IED's and such. So instead of handing the next President a semi-stable Iraq, you hand him a once again unstable Iraq. Unless you keep giving the extremists money to lay off as we have done.

On another point, what do you care? You want our troops to march across the border to Iran anyway. So don't sit there smug like Obama has committed the foul of all fouls.

I would go so far as to say Bush's draw down is a political stunt before the election.
God Save the Queen
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

McCain has a 40% average grade from Veterans advocacy groups and organizations.



McCain voted against me getting a substanially bigger increase in my GI Bill benefits next year, benefits of which I am dependent upon to complete my higher education.  Fuck McCain in his old POWed ass for trying to take food from my plate.
Get a job, I worked, served in the Guard, and went to college at the same time.  Hell it won't even affect your payments, saw plenty of veterans go to college, hold a job, and serve in the Guard all at the same time without crying they need more and doing with the benefits they signed up for when they joined.

Don't tell me you are one of the few that aren't taking a ride on the disability train after serving, it seems all my friend have issues with backs and knees that get them anywhere from $300 - $500 a month and free camping, hunting, fishing and hiring preferences.
I dont take disability douche.  I have a job.  I also have rent and high cost of living to pay.  Im also a full time student.  Dont make assumptions on what I do with my time.

I also know when I decided to get back in the military as a reservist, it slowed down my school track by two semesters.


and dont be a retard with "he's not really change" bullshit.  as if thats the reason why Im voting for the man.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-09-15 19:29:37)

Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6489|Ireland

God Save the Queen wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

McCain has a 40% average grade from Veterans advocacy groups and organizations.



McCain voted against me getting a substanially bigger increase in my GI Bill benefits next year, benefits of which I am dependent upon to complete my higher education.  Fuck McCain in his old POWed ass for trying to take food from my plate.
Get a job, I worked, served in the Guard, and went to college at the same time.  Hell it won't even affect your payments, saw plenty of veterans go to college, hold a job, and serve in the Guard all at the same time without crying they need more and doing with the benefits they signed up for when they joined.

Don't tell me you are one of the few that aren't taking a ride on the disability train after serving, it seems all my friend have issues with backs and knees that get them anywhere from $300 - $500 a month and free camping, hunting, fishing and hiring preferences.
I dont take disability douche.  I have a job.  I also have rent and high cost of living to pay.  Im also a full time student.  Dont make assumptions on what I do with my time.

I also know when I decided to get back in the military as a reservist, it slowed down my school track by two semesters.


and dont be a retard with "he's not really change" bullshit.  as if thats the reason why Im voting for the man.
You get the benefits that you signed up for.  You are voting to get a hand out ( having benefits increased more ), good on you.  I knew people on welfare that vote democrap for the same reason.
God Save the Queen
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how fair is it for someone who lives in california to receive the same amount of money that someone in central texas does.  You dont even know anything about the benefit increases, smart guy.



Ill tell you.



100% tuition, a book allowance and a housing allowance according to the cost of living of the school you attend.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-09-15 20:16:54)

God Save the Queen
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mccains GI bill that got rejected increases benefits for years served.  which might sound all well and good but joe snuffy who just joined and gets his legs blown off two years later will only be capped at the 2 year level of benefits, meanwhile, sgt asshole, head cook at fort leonard wood missouri for 12 who never saw combat will get more benefits.


the GI Bill that passed awards increases the amount of cash you recieve for the amount of years you serve after 9/11 where 3 years is the cap for maximum benefits.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6489|Ireland

God Save the Queen wrote:

mccains GI bill that got rejected increases benefits for years served.  which might sound all well and good but joe snuffy who just joined and gets his legs blown off two years later will only be capped at the 2 year level of benefits, meanwhile, sgt asshole, head cook at fort leonard wood missouri for 12 who never saw combat will get more benefits.


the GI Bill that passed awards increases the amount of cash you recieve for the amount of years you serve after 9/11 where 3 years is the cap for maximum benefits.
Wow, years in service is a bunch of shit.  I have a Bro-In-Law that is a lifer in the AF and he likes to wrap himself up in the flag with his 9-5 job and it pisses me off that his family thinks he is some wonder-joy equal to PVT Smith that did 3 years and found out that being shot at for 3 years wasn't as cool as it seem it would be when he joined out of highschool.

Yeah, I did make an A-hole comment.  I just hate the idea of McCain and Obama so much that I automatically want to bag on anyone that would actually heap praise on one as better than the other.

sry, now I feel like shit.  I guess I'll just have to drink more beer.
imortal
Member
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

McCain has a 40% average grade from Veterans advocacy groups and organizations.



McCain voted against me getting a substanially bigger increase in my GI Bill benefits next year, benefits of which I am dependent upon to complete my higher education.  Fuck McCain in his old POWed ass for trying to take food from my plate.
Get a job, I worked, served in the Guard, and went to college at the same time.  Hell it won't even affect your payments, saw plenty of veterans go to college, hold a job, and serve in the Guard all at the same time without crying they need more and doing with the benefits they signed up for when they joined.

Don't tell me you are one of the few that aren't taking a ride on the disability train after serving, it seems all my friend have issues with backs and knees that get them anywhere from $300 - $500 a month and free camping, hunting, fishing and hiring preferences.
I get money for disability.  Granted, only $230 a month.  I also have knees I have to ice down at the end of the day, and a shoulder that pops out of joint occasionally, even after surgery.  I hardly call it 'riding the disability train.'  I also have a few other issues I can't get them to aknowledge because I did not want to 'wimp out' and go see the medics, so they never got in my record.

My GI Bill dried up in 2001.  I am going to school now on my own nickel.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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God Save the Queen wrote:

McCain has a 40% average grade from Veterans advocacy groups and organizations.



McCain voted against me getting a substanially bigger increase in my GI Bill benefits next year, benefits of which I am dependent upon to complete my higher education.  Fuck McCain in his old POWed ass for trying to take food from my plate.
Who is the VFW supporting? Do they support a candidate? Legit question.

From what I've heard about McCain voting against those bills, it's because there was a lot of pork attached to them. Apparently it's  a common tactic in Washington. Attach a bunch of BS pork to a bill that goes towards veterans.. because if you don't vote for the pork you hate the troops.. etc..etc.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
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If you read the text of the cases where McCain voted against the bills, it becomes obvious they are leaving something out and only telling about the good part of the bills.    Go read the bills he voted against, then decide he doesn't like you. 

Of course McCain is against veterans, makes perfect sense.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)

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