stryyker
bad touch
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RastaBlasta wrote:

.Sup wrote:

RastaBlasta wrote:


Some nice sentiments but I think virtually everything we do affects the world. Each and every one of us.
So if I don't watch the games it will affect the outcome of China vs Tibet?
If each and every one of us did it, then yeah, probably.
6,684,000,000 people inhabit this Earth.

Even if you got 4 billion people to boycott the one of the most stubborn nations in the world, Little would happen. Hippies only work in a county that will hear them. The freedom of speech and protest only applies to a country with a Bill of Rights.
oChaos.Haze
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RastaBlasta wrote:

oChaos.Haze wrote:

RastaBlasta wrote:


Some nice sentiments but I think virtually everything we do affects the world. Each and every one of us.
I see what you are saying, and would love to agree, but that brings us to the point of this argument.  We can do all we want, but political schemes can always overshadow one's personal choice.

If you are talking about the karma of the world, and truly believe in that, then I'd agree.  But thinking that by not watching the olympics , you will have a material outcome of anything other than you making a personal stance, I'd have to say probably not.  But by all means make that personal choice, as I said, it's about all we have anymore...
Again, for the lucky ones, such as everyone on this board, politics represents the people.

If the people don't understand why something is unjust, why would we expect the politicians to? Look at some of the replies to this thread and you'll see that a lot of people are only interested in themselves, so why would we expect our leaders to be any different?
Well I do think you're in a "if things were perfect"  state of mind.  I get in that too, it happens to anyone who longs for a better world.
Politics are SUPPOSED to represent the people, but they don't.  We know it, everyone knows it.  It's nearly impossible to represent the people when each and everyone of them has a completely different viewpoint.  I've always said, I'd love to see a politician answer an agenda question with, "It doesn't matter what I want, it's what my constituency wants."
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6714
Haha yeah, the Western World (including the US which is entirely in China's back pocket economically) should start boycotting China's products. As if we could even afford or go without the massive exports that China provides for the world-- whether we agree with their political policies or not. Does anyone on this Forum look at the bigger picture? Is anyone here realistic? The Chinese government WOULD NOT CARE if the Western World completely boycotted the Olympics and didn't tune in. What do you think they want? Acceptance? Viewing figures?

This event is one huge propaganda and national-pride building excercise for the Chinese government. They could care less if America and the UK's citizens purposefully avoid the Olympics- they're already indoctrinating hundreds of millions of Chinese people that are watching with a sense of 'Our great state is the greatest in the world, and we do Olympics like no other'. Does the Chinese party really need anything else when they have an enthusiastic and high-morale proletariat*?

*Yes I know the use of that term is hypocritical when discussing Communism, but in the form of capitalist-Communism, there's still a definite hierarchy- and China needs the ordinary people and peasants to keep their chins up to keep the cogs of their industrial and economical machine turning.

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jord
Member
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RastaBlasta wrote:

oChaos.Haze wrote:

.Sup wrote:


How will you boycott them? By posting here and saying "I boycott the games"?
Who cares?  You gotta do what makes you happy as a person.  These days I feel like personal happiness is about all we have going for us.  If something makes you feel like a better person at the end of the day, then so be it. 

Vegetarians boycott meat.  How do they boycott it?  They don't eat it.  As long as they don't tell me what to do, I think the fact that they can make a  choice is beautiful.

Off topic I know, lol.  Just wanted to show how a personal choice may not affect the world, but it damn sure can make you feel better about yourself and the world you live in.
Some nice sentiments but I think virtually everything we do affects the world. Each and every one of us.
Ahahahaha. Yeah, right.

Read my posts in this thread, and you might begin to understand how much effect you'll be having. Each and every one of us my ass.


Chaos was right in saying it was for personal happiness, nothing more. Wanna stop being an internet hero and make a real difference? Sell about half of what you own because it will have parts from China or will have been made there and go down to China and join in with the real protesters. Not that they'll be making that much of a difference.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6697|The Twilight Zone

RastaBlasta wrote:

.Sup wrote:

RastaBlasta wrote:


If each and every one of us did it, then yeah, probably.
We should boycott their products, that would be the only realistic thing that might affect the outcome of that story.
Abso-fucking-lutely.

Dude, you might've just helped save the world. You've got karma heading your way big-boy!
At Intersport where I work all technical equipment we sale is made on China: bicycles, gym machines, some clothing, all the diving equipment,.. But ultimately the workers will suffer if we boycott their products. The Chinese workers. But from a different view the Chinese people might actually agree with Tibet, some already are but China depresses all thoughts like that. For most of the horrible things mankind suffered, politicians are to blame.
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oChaos.Haze
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Uzique wrote:

Haha yeah, the Western World (including the US which is entirely in China's back pocket economically) should start boycotting China's products. As if we could even afford or go without the massive exports that China provides for the world-- whether we agree with their political policies or not. Does anyone on this Forum look at the bigger picture? Is anyone here realistic? The Chinese government WOULD NOT CARE if the Western World completely boycotted the Olympics and didn't tune in. What do you think they want? Acceptance? Viewing figures?

This event is one huge propoganda and national-pride building excercise for the Chinese government. They could care less if America and the UK's citizens purposefully avoid the Olympics- they're already indoctrinating hundreds of millions of Chinese people that are watching with a sense of 'Our great state is the greatest in the world, and we do Olympics like no other'. Does the Chinese party really need anything else when they have an enthusiastic and high-morale proletariat*?

*Yes I know the use of that term is hypocritical when discussing Communism, but in the form of capitalist-Communism, there's still a definite hierarchy- and China needs the ordinary people and peasants to keep their chins up to keep the cogs of their industrial and economical machine turning.
I agree with a lot of what you said there...
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6714

.Sup wrote:

RastaBlasta wrote:

.Sup wrote:

We should boycott their products, that would be the only realistic thing that might affect the outcome of that story.
Abso-fucking-lutely.

Dude, you might've just helped save the world. You've got karma heading your way big-boy!
At Intersport where I work all technical equipment we sale is made on China: bicycles, gym machines, some clothing, all the diving equipment,.. But ultimately the workers will suffer if we boycott their products. The Chinese workers. But from a different view the Chinese people might actually agree with Tibet, some already are but China depresses all thoughts like that. For most of the horrible things mankind suffered, politicians are to blame.
You're very idiotic to suggest boycotting China's export-products, when you realise that it would only affect the factory workers.

Do you know anything about the distribution of power, wealth and influence in Chinese society? As if a bunch of Communist fat-cats in the Party will care that a few people in the industrial cities in the Eastern Chinese provinces are being made redundant or out of work. They already have huge rural provinces the size of US States in a state of poverty (and in some cases ruin, after that earthquake that they covered up pretty nicely).

Oh my, China seems to have a lot of enemies in the Western World... luckily for them, none of these hippies or self-aggrandizing idiots know what they're talking about, or anything of the 'real' China. But yeah sure, start buying your gym equipment from Germany, start buying your clothing and toys from India. Hit the party where it hurts! Hahaha.

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stryyker
bad touch
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Lets just boycott 99% of our consumer goods while were at it...


...Oh wait...
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6697|The Twilight Zone
China is developed cos of us buying their products. It can go other way too if you know what I mean.
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usmarine
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bollocks.  i am going to watch womens beach volleyball.


and open water swimming to see if anyone melts.
RastaBlasta
Member
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jord wrote:

Chaos was right in saying it was for personal happiness, nothing more. Wanna stop being an internet hero and make a real difference? Sell about half of what you own because it will have parts from China or will have been made there and go down to China and join in with the real protesters. Not that they'll be making that much of a difference.
So you're not in then? You could go and do something else if you wanted.




Boycott Chinese products and the Olympic 2008 sponsors.

Last edited by RastaBlasta (2008-08-08 13:25:41)

jord
Member
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stryyker wrote:

Lets just boycott 99% of our consumer goods while were at it...


...Oh wait...
We must make our own stuff and be self sufficient.
RastaBlasta
Member
+9|5991

jord wrote:

stryyker wrote:

Lets just boycott 99% of our consumer goods while were at it...


...Oh wait...
We must make our own stuff and be self sufficient.
Name one thing on that sponsors list that you couldn't live without.





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stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6964|California

jord wrote:

stryyker wrote:

Lets just boycott 99% of our consumer goods while were at it...


...Oh wait...
We must make our own stuff and be self sufficient.
There is no such thing as self sufficient. We are not hunter-gatherer tribes anymore. We are who we are because of globalism.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6697|The Twilight Zone

RastaBlasta wrote:

Name one thing on that sponsors list that you couldn't live without.





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I'll start.
Its been a while since I ate at McDonald's. Tasty but at the same time disgusting food. I stopped drinking Coca Cola or any other "Cola" products, its not good for my health. I have couple of Samsung components but they were made either in EU or South Korea. Adidas, I love their clothing and shoes and that would be the only thing hard to live without.

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jord
Member
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RastaBlasta wrote:

Name one thing on that sponsors list that you couldn't live without.





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I don't wanna fucking live without that stuff.

Because

A) I'm smart enough and have enough common sense to know how much effect boycotting stuff has. I'll tell you, little to none.

And

B) My care cup is at minimum levels. There are far better things to boycott if I really wanted, or there are better ways to change things.

Also, China is a fucking Juggernaut. You could get the whole of bf2s and anyone you came into contact with on the internet to stop buying Coca Cola or whatever, and guess how much effect it would have? See A.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6714

.Sup wrote:

China is developed cos of us buying their products. It can go other way too if you know what I mean.
What you people don't realize is that if the Western World broke economical and trading ties with countries such as China, or alternatively if China pulled out of deals with the West (to a lesser extent this also applies to the Middle-East and Saudi's)- we would all be fucked. Our actual countries and home-economies rely all on high-level industry and services, we need these huge backyards full of sweatshops and manual labour in order to keep us going. Japan and the USA use China and the rest of Asia, Europe has it's (developing) colonies in Africa in the like. We look down on these countries and their political actions, but if we didn't deal with them, we'd probably in serious trouble. The US and UK are is mega-debt to China, and by mega-debt I mean most likely to never be paid back; unpayable..

Sure, us pumping money and job opportunities into China helps it 'develop' to a lesser extent. As if China wouldn't just start dealing it's huge amount of resources and agriculture to other countries in the event of a Western pullout... think about it. China could get wealthy without even needing to really deal with other countries; in fact I'd say that out of all the countries in the world, China are probably in the best position to become self-sufficient. They're just into their stage of industrialisation and huge-expansion... stages that mature economies in the West had over 100 years ago. Right now all of us (UK, US, some European states to a lesser extent) have progressed along and are now in the back-pockets of these less economically developed countries that are doing all our dirty work. I think in all of our arrogance and self-importance, we really do underestimate how bad our economy and living-standards would become if we had a sudden pullout from these countries (i.e. a mass and total boycott of all products). It wouldn't benefit us... China could take the financial hit, we definitely couldn't. Don't you know China owns about $500 billion dollars worth of US Treasury securities? This is just an example to open your eyes... China isn't dependant on the Western world to carry on 'developing'. Their Eastern-Provinces with industrial cities that produce a great amount of our clothing, small-manufacture goods and computer parts are bringing a lot of work and finance to the local economies there... but in the bigger pictures China is probably nearing a stage where it could dust us off their shoulder and move forward without us.

Edit: HAHAHA please stop posting! Boycotting sponsors now? FUCK YEAH! Let's hit American corporations and influence their profit-margins* this financial year, that'll teach the Chinese a lesson over their tyranny in Tibet! God, none of you guys are Economics majors are you? The Chinese government's care-cup is empty for McDonalds and Western companies.

* By 0.00000001%- a total value of around $24.73.

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usmarine
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(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
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No, I m watching the athletes. Ive been doing it since 1984. I wont miss much, Verizon just added a dedicated 2008 Olympics channel So happy I got that DVR a few weeks ago

Do I agree with China's government? NO!  "Boycotting"  isnt going to stop one of the greatest spectacles ever since Rome started it. For Fucks Sake the original Olympics had death matches!!! All you whiners seriously need to shut the fuck up about this.!!!
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6714

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Do I agree with China's government? NO!  "Boycotting"  isnt going to stop one of the greatest spectacles ever since Rome started it. For Fucks Sake the original Olympics had death matches!!! All you whiners seriously need to shut the fuck up about this.!!!
HAHAHA.

This thread is maybe one of the all-round greatest spectacles of idiocy I have ever seen on BF2s.

I swear that almost every anti-China and pro-boycott post so far has been nothing short of autistic.

Hell, now even the people that can see the logical shortcomings of boycotting seem to have a kindergarten grasp of world history.

Last edited by Uzique (2008-08-08 13:42:46)

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.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6697|The Twilight Zone

jord wrote:

RastaBlasta wrote:

Name one thing on that sponsors list that you couldn't live without.





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I don't wanna fucking live without that stuff.

Because

A) I'm smart enough and have enough common sense to know how much effect boycotting stuff has. I'll tell you, little to none.

And

B) My care cup is at minimum levels. There are far better things to boycott if I really wanted, or there are better ways to change things.

Also, China is a fucking Juggernaut. You could get the whole of bf2s and anyone you came into contact with on the internet to stop buying Coca Cola or whatever, and guess how much effect it would have? See A.
As you said, personal satisfaction.
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usmarine
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Uzique wrote:

blah blah poop
just shut up
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
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(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Sake the original Olympics had death matches!!![/b]
Now THERE'S a sport that would make me watch.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7073|Grapevine, TX

Uzique wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Do I agree with China's government? NO!  "Boycotting"  isnt going to stop one of the greatest spectacles ever since Rome started it. For Fucks Sake the original Olympics had death matches!!! All you whiners seriously need to shut the fuck up about this.!!!
HAHAHA.

This thread is maybe of the all-round greatest spectacles of idiocy I have ever seen on BF2s.

I swear that almost every anti-China and pro-boycott post so far has been nothing short of autistic.

Hell, now even the people that can see the logical shortcomings of boycotting seem to have a kindergarten grasp of world history.
ok fuck stick, Ancient Olympic events. Record holding Olympic events started in the late 1800s, noow STFU.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6714

usmarine wrote:

Uzique wrote:

blah blah poop
just shut up
You never fail with your one-line intelligent insights marine.

You do fail however at being entertaining... your E-Persona is too predictable.
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