He's fine.Roc18 wrote:
He got fucked up by 2 Oklahoma defenders leading head first with their hits.
>Get sent to the hospitalFEOS wrote:
He's fine.Roc18 wrote:
He got fucked up by 2 Oklahoma defenders leading head first with their hits.
It's called tackle football, btw.
Was there a flag thrown on the play? No.Roc18 wrote:
>Get sent to the hospitalFEOS wrote:
He's fine.Roc18 wrote:
He got fucked up by 2 Oklahoma defenders leading head first with their hits.
It's called tackle football, btw.
>He's fine, herp derp it's tackle football
wait until that one hit that ends up paralyzing a player.
Last edited by 13rin (2011-09-18 17:57:20)
Was putting my daughter to bed at the time, so I missed the play. They certainly didn't make a big deal out of it afterward...didn't even mention the penalty.13rin wrote:
I watched that game, both players led with their heads, and helmet to helmeted the guy. Yes flags were thrown, personal foul on Harris.
Love ya FEOS, but you need yer' eyesight checked. Both players put their helmets into his. It was a cheap shot. Pass plays over the middle....FEOS wrote:
Was putting my daughter to bed at the time, so I missed the play. They certainly didn't make a big deal out of it afterward...didn't even mention the penalty.13rin wrote:
I watched that game, both players led with their heads, and helmet to helmeted the guy. Yes flags were thrown, personal foul on Harris.
I'll look for the clip. My bet is it's like most of the hits that get flagged: clean hits that are just part of the game.
E:just watched the clip.Both Harris and Wort hit him with their shoulder pads, not their helmets. In fact, their helmets hit each other, behind Shaw. Too bad you can't do instant replay on a bad call...
No eyesight check needed. Just watch the clip. Watch what hits Shaw. It's their shoulder pads. Their helmets hit each other...behind Shaw. Because they hit him with their pads, not their helmets. It's crystal clear.13rin wrote:
Love ya FEOS, but you need yer' eyesight checked. Both players put their helmets into his. It was a cheap shot. Pass plays over the middle....FEOS wrote:
Was putting my daughter to bed at the time, so I missed the play. They certainly didn't make a big deal out of it afterward...didn't even mention the penalty.13rin wrote:
I watched that game, both players led with their heads, and helmet to helmeted the guy. Yes flags were thrown, personal foul on Harris.
I'll look for the clip. My bet is it's like most of the hits that get flagged: clean hits that are just part of the game.
E:just watched the clip.Both Harris and Wort hit him with their shoulder pads, not their helmets. In fact, their helmets hit each other, behind Shaw. Too bad you can't do instant replay on a bad call...
That's what I saw as well ... they weren't leading with their helmets but with their shoulders. Clean hit, but just unfortunate for the receiver. Also, I can understand how the ref might have seen it as an illegal hit in real-time.FEOS wrote:
No eyesight check needed. Just watch the clip. Watch what hits Shaw. It's their shoulder pads. Their helmets hit each other...behind Shaw. Because they hit him with their pads, not their helmets. It's crystal clear.13rin wrote:
Love ya FEOS, but you need yer' eyesight checked. Both players put their helmets into his. It was a cheap shot. Pass plays over the middle....FEOS wrote:
Was putting my daughter to bed at the time, so I missed the play. They certainly didn't make a big deal out of it afterward...didn't even mention the penalty.
I'll look for the clip. My bet is it's like most of the hits that get flagged: clean hits that are just part of the game.
E:just watched the clip.Both Harris and Wort hit him with their shoulder pads, not their helmets. In fact, their helmets hit each other, behind Shaw. Too bad you can't do instant replay on a bad call...
I can agree with that, as well. Just like the other poor calls later in the game.OrangeHound wrote:
That's what I saw as well ... they weren't leading with their helmets but with their shoulders. Clean hit, but just unfortunate for the receiver. Also, I can understand how the ref might have seen it as an illegal hit in real-time.FEOS wrote:
No eyesight check needed. Just watch the clip. Watch what hits Shaw. It's their shoulder pads. Their helmets hit each other...behind Shaw. Because they hit him with their pads, not their helmets. It's crystal clear.13rin wrote:
Love ya FEOS, but you need yer' eyesight checked. Both players put their helmets into his. It was a cheap shot. Pass plays over the middle....
Dropped the ball, IIRC.nukchebi0 wrote:
Did Florida State score on the play? It was clearly a legal catch followed by a touchdown.
Nope. Ball clearly came out before he crossed the goal. Incomplete pass.nukchebi0 wrote:
He did, but after he crossed the goal line. He certainly came down and had possession of the ball before the two Oklahoma defenders hit him. The hits, I do agree, were legal.
Ah yeah, I rewatched the video and from one angle it was pretty clear he lost it before crossing the goal line. With that said he did catch it and have possession before he was hit so why was it incomplete rather than a fumble?FEOS wrote:
Nope. Ball clearly came out before he crossed the goal. Incomplete pass.nukchebi0 wrote:
He did, but after he crossed the goal line. He certainly came down and had possession of the ball before the two Oklahoma defenders hit him. The hits, I do agree, were legal.
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It was a play with a penalty, so whatever happens on the field is immaterial.nukchebi0 wrote:
Ah yeah, I rewatched the video and from one angle it was pretty clear he lost it before crossing the goal line. With that said he did catch it and have possession before he was hit so why was it incomplete rather than a fumble?FEOS wrote:
Nope. Ball clearly came out before he crossed the goal. Incomplete pass.nukchebi0 wrote:
He did, but after he crossed the goal line. He certainly came down and had possession of the ball before the two Oklahoma defenders hit him. The hits, I do agree, were legal.
Play with a penalty doesn't mean the result is necessarily ignored. Defensive offsides or pass interference, for example.OrangeHound wrote:
It was a play with a penalty, so whatever happens on the field is immaterial.nukchebi0 wrote:
Ah yeah, I rewatched the video and from one angle it was pretty clear he lost it before crossing the goal line. With that said he did catch it and have possession before he was hit so why was it incomplete rather than a fumble?FEOS wrote:
Nope. Ball clearly came out before he crossed the goal. Incomplete pass.
Without the penalty, instant replay would have ruled it a reception and a fumble, recovered by OU in the endzone (overturning the incomplete pass that was ruled on the field). And, Oklahoma would have the ball at the 20.
And, with regard to FEOS' comment, many times referees will rule a pass incomplete if it comes out after a hit like that. Perhaps this is for mercy. That is, receivers have to "control" the catch and referees want to see sufficient time with control of the ball after the hit. So if the play is bang-bang (catch-hit) resulting in a loose ball, they'll call it incomplete rather than complete and fumble.
True ... the offense can accept the "play" rather than the "penalty".nukchebi0 wrote:
Play with a penalty doesn't mean the result is necessarily ignored. Defensive offsides or pass interference, for example.OrangeHound wrote:
It was a play with a penalty, so whatever happens on the field is immaterial.nukchebi0 wrote:
Ah yeah, I rewatched the video and from one angle it was pretty clear he lost it before crossing the goal line. With that said he did catch it and have possession before he was hit so why was it incomplete rather than a fumble?
Without the penalty, instant replay would have ruled it a reception and a fumble, recovered by OU in the endzone (overturning the incomplete pass that was ruled on the field). And, Oklahoma would have the ball at the 20.
And, with regard to FEOS' comment, many times referees will rule a pass incomplete if it comes out after a hit like that. Perhaps this is for mercy. That is, receivers have to "control" the catch and referees want to see sufficient time with control of the ball after the hit. So if the play is bang-bang (catch-hit) resulting in a loose ball, they'll call it incomplete rather than complete and fumble.
