BF2S Forums No! Ea Dont Nerf The Noob Tube

meh, the patch is going to be eliminating noob tubing, plain n simple, u guys who luv to run around with a GL can whinge n moan as much as u want, but the point is, its going, n thats that.

Frankly, I agree completely with YitEarp. Battlefield 2 is a game that was design as a tactical FPS that incorperated vehicles and large maps, continuing the theme of the previous Battlefield games.

As usualy, EA/Dice made a few mistakes on the first release, and, as in the past, it'll take them 5-6 patches before they get it how they wanted it to be.

Plain n simple, NoobChube boys(n girls), n ppl throwing c4 around like it's a remote grenade are just exploiting mistakes EA/Dice made in their coding, n those of you who don't know how else to play, will have to either learn to start playing it like it was meant to be played, or have a sook n go find something more to your liking. N frankly I don't care wot u choose.

lol, n for those of u going on about "everyone will just start playing as medic n snipers", ROFL. As if, I'm a Spec Ops specialist, and always will be, cos I luv the class. N no, I don't throw c4, I plant it, I run up to the vehicle n throw it on then run away, or if it turns and is about to kill me, I blow the c4 to be sure that a threat to my team is removed. And there will of cors be all those ppl who luv support, and AT, n woteva else takes their fancy.

I acctually have more of a problem with the DAO-12s. lol, those things r a mongrel to come up against in CC fighting, n taking 3 shotgun rounds to the face will take any player down. Only times guy noob chubing hav anoyed me, is the ones who wait right around a corner till the hear someone coming, then jump 4' up in the air from around the corner and fire at their feet, killing themselves and me, which is completely pointless as it looses a point to both teams, and gains them no points (2 for the kill -2 for the suicide). So lol @ all noob chube players .

my rant for the day.... now I'm heading back off to wrk for the next shift

RandomZer0 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Also, could people start posting if  they currently use the grenade launcher?

I do.

I like to use the GL for the right situation but check this guy out http://bf2s.com/player/44571234/
you wanna talk GL wh0re, 20 more hours carrying GL then anything else for a total of 77 hours

And my K : D ratio is not that good as a medic but a K : D under 1 with that weapon and you know whats going on.

Thank you RandomZer0 for answering for me. I do definitely like to use the GL, thank you for noticing and am in no way ashamed of the time I have carried it. I know that you all think that your high schoolish "I'm cooler than you cuz I don't do the unpopular thing" may play well for you in high school, but I assure you that your juvenile opinion carries absolutely no weight whatsoever. This applies to you as well, .:Ronin:.   

I too like to use it for the 'right situations', just my definition of what the 'right situation' is, is just a bit broader than yours. If you are trying to imply that I suicide a lot with your K : D comment, I am sorry but your keen mind is dead wrong. I have never found the bunny hopping to be a particularly useful tactic, perhaps that's why my k/d with the GL is so low. Actually, the truth is that when I started playing BF2, I was woefully unprepared for the level of skill I encountered, so i died a lot in the beginning.

Btw, Radio used to be on my favorite victims list.

TehSeraphim wrote:

Kusunagi wrote:

Yes! I've prayed for a patch like this, and now it's finally coming. Now we can all fight like normal soldiers instead of a bunch of clowns who hop, dive and use the gl like their life's are depending on it.

Yes! I'm glad people can't adapt to other people's playing styles, learn to use different areas of the map (i.e. ones not involving close combat) and deal with a weapon.  Personally, after the patch comes out I might just use regular grenades and toss them right next to me, suiciding and taking someone with me.  I don't really care about the points, I just really want to piss everyone off.

If you can't learn to adapt to how people play you will never make it in this game.  I guarantee you that once the patch comes out and the noobtube is nerfed and bunnyhopping/dolphin diving reduced, players will find a new style of how to play which will still annoy everyone, netting in another round of bitching for Dice/EA to get rid of something.  As for anyone who complains about these weapons or styles of play belonging to people with no skill, if you can't shoot someone who is moving, or learn to shoot someone from a distance instead of being close enough for them to NOOB tube you (GL in close quarters) then it is indeed you who has no skill.

TehSaraphim, you have hit the nail square on the head. dankass here is a perfect example.

dankassasin42o wrote:

Those of you who are COMPLAINING about this patch an the GL, are NOOB TUBING FLAMING HOPPERS,  and I AM GLAD THEY ARE FUCKING UP YOUR GAME.   In RL if you walked ran hopped whatever to get to me and then pull out your GL and shot the ground next to me to kill me, id behead you before you could reload it.  and thats fact.  and before it ever exploded, i could skull fuck your remains.  stop sticking up for you skill-less asses an learn to shoot. i Cant wait for the patch. and i hope EA makes all ranked server adapt to use the new patch if they wish to remain ranked.  FUCK YOU NOOB TUBING FAGS

Someone needs to get a tissue and wipe the snot from his nose (and maybe a bar of soap). He still seems to think that world revolves around him. He reminds me of the chocolate milk X-Box kid. 9http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7153152098207965240&q=Xbox+Live)
This little twerp is exactly why I like to use the GL. Just knowing that he or some other selfish little brat is foaming at the mouth and gnawing the legs of the furniture every time he sees my name on his screen over something as petty as being killed with the GL makes adds a little spice to the game.

YitEarp, I find it hard to believe that a player of your calibre is so easily dislodged from immersion in the game by something as trivial as bunny hopping. I would also like to point out that it is by being able to succesfully interfere with your opponents well thought out strategies that victory is achieved.
The bunnyhopping is no glitch, EA put it there on purpose. If you don't believe me, look at page 3 of your original manual.

EA wrote:

Jumping also detracts from your sprint bar. However, you can still jump with a completely depleted sprint bar.

Neither is the way the GL is used a glitch. While EA may be changing it and calling it a 'glitch', it is only being done to appease the vocal critics of the GL.

kontrolcrimson wrote:

look at the top GL guys, see all thos suicides.

While I don't purport to be a top GL guy, my suicide rate is only .08 per hour more than YitEarp's. 1106/997=1.11sph vs.   643/542=1.19sph.

silverwolf wrote:

As if, I'm a Spec Ops specialist, and always will be, cos I luv the class. N no, I don't throw c4, I plant it, I run up to the vehicle n throw it on then run away, or if it turns and is about to kill me, I blow the c4 to be sure that a threat to my team is removed.

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about the assualt class and the GL. If I have two bars of health and I run up into someone at close range where a mere shell casing will kill me, I have no qualms about taking him to the spawn queue with me rather than giving him the ticket.

All in all, I have mixed feelings about the patch. I am disappointed that they are nerfing the GL of course. I don't have a problem with the arming distance so much as the reduced damage radius. By doing both they are relegating the assualt class to the same fate as the Blackhawk. IMNSHO, they should have beefed up the other choppers to match the BH rather than making it next to useless as a weapon. Taking away the abilty to jump and shoot is overkill. Tying the abilty to jump to the sprint bar and reducing accuracy would have eliminated the bunny hopping problem that seems to get so many's panties in a twist. I certainly hope that you will still be able to swing the knife while jumping. On the other hand they have also made some good additions in the patch such as being able to pick up explosives and purported performance gains. I am curious to see the damge that the unarmed grenade does to a soldier when I bounce it off their chest point-blank. A 40mm, half pound round at 250 ft/s should do significant damage.

I do know that if the nerfed GL ceases to be a fun and effective weapon, I will be able to overcome and adapt. What I also know, is the whining will not stop, it will just latch itself onto whatever the complainers of today find annoying tomorrow even though you think that your prayers have been answered by this patch.

sigh...as the GL fades into the sunset.

Last edited by Darth_Fleder (2006-01-13 22:48:28)

By the way, darth_fleder

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After the way you've been making yourself sound like a badass, that made me lol. Enjoy killing that bratty kid you were talking about, yeah?

he_who_says_zonk wrote:

By the way, darth_fleder

Grenade Launcher Attachment    81:20:58     3,437      3,725     0.92

After the way you've been making yourself sound like a badass, that made me lol. Enjoy killing that bratty kid you were talking about, yeah?

I don't know quite what gave you the impression that I am trying to sound all "badass" as you put it, and I am glad you had yourself a chuckle. While you are yucking it up, have a gander at this thread, it should really get you going. ;)

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=10351

I have never professed to be more than a decent player at the game. On the other hand, I do not suffer fools gladly.

Btw, your data is out of date.
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he_who_says_zonk wrote:

Or, and this is my favourite, one of us gets charged by a suicidal n00b tuber, he and they die, the squad medic revives our guy, and the net effect is that an enemy soldier suicided.

I don't buy the argument that it's like suiciding to destroy a tank. A tank is a hardened target and represents a much greater threat than just a single infantry,

Somehow you have drawn the mistaken conclusion that I look for opportunities to suicide or that I run headlong into groups of enemies willy-nilly. Maybe you missed the part about having about 1.2 suicides an hour or so.   

he_who_say_zonk wrote:

and quite frankly, if being on two bars of health stops you from getting kills without dying yourself, you need to play better. Especially with (my beloved) G3, it is easily possible to get strings of kills without taking a hit, which is MUCH more fun than suiciding to kill a single soldier, who, for all you know, is just as injured.

Thank you for that extra special insight and analysis. I need to play better he says. Do you have it your mind that I don’t get strings of kills? Based upon what? And there you go touting your ‘beloved’ G3. Weapon bigotry? “My G3is cool, but your GL, uncool.” I don’t buy that, and that’s what you all don’t seem to understand.

he_who_say_zonk wrote:

I'm also amused that there's still talk of the BH being nerfed. It wasn't nerfed. It is still incredibly potent and I have seen players with scores 150 - 200 points higher than anyone elses because they've been whoring it up. If you don't like the blackhawk now, you're going to hate it after the next patch, because a lot of people don't seem to realise:

Damage decreased for the M134

Doesn't anyone else know what the M134 is?

The BH is not only not nerfed, it's so not nerfed that they're still tweaking it to give it the proper balance!

You are easily amused, that’s good. I am glad that someone still sees people “whoring” it up in the BH because I sure don’t. Once in a while I am able to get more than one gunner in Mashtuur and it’s been months since I’ve seen a full crew in one. In Wake, it’s used as a parachute platform. I have seen it parked on hillside in Dragon valley where the M134 is used to strafe spawns. I have lost to it in shootouts when I am in armor, which is why I believe the damage reduction is being implemented.  I don’t hate the BH, it’s just not all that fun to fly it solo.

A. Yes, the miniguns on the UH-60 do damage armour, I've had my APC ripped to pieces by one a few times.

B. Usually I choose Spec Ops because it has the FN-SCAR, a high dmg, high accuracy, automatic carbine, with an aimpoint scope. N no, don't bother rambling on about me been some sought of C4 whore, check the sig, I haven't even bothered getting the basic ordinance badge. I assault, fast and hard, with the FN-SCAR, and have taken down whole squads using it and a grenade or 2 or my pistol often enough (u can usually take 2-3 out with an FN-SCAR mag, then switch to pistol and drop another 1-2).

On occasion I choose it for the C4, which is far from unbalanced, and is in fact WAY less powerful then it is in rl, whereas the GL is overpowered compared to rl. The only thing that makes C4 an unbalanced area of the game is C4 throwers, and that lil tactic is leaving in the next patch to ("no firing while jumping"), so u won't have that to complain about anymore.

The GL will still be able to be used as ur suggesting there, except now, ppl will have to learn to do that more tactically, instead of just charging into the face of the enemy defenders going "look at me! look at me! BOOM, whoops, MEDIC!"

Last edited by Silverwolf (2006-01-14 14:36:05)

There focusing on balance. It will become like AA now.

If C4 is going to be balanced, it should take about 10 seconds to arm.  Kind of like planting a bomb in CS.  You should have to punch in some buttons, connect some wires, etc.  But of course, it should kill a tank/APC in 1 hit, and not 2.

The GL is actually going to be quite cool now.  You will be able to bounce the shot off walls, behind cover, etc.   Its going to take a lot of skill to use now.  Detonation time should be 3 seconds.

Last edited by Sh4rkb1t3 (2006-01-17 13:47:37)

ThomasMorgan wrote:

ok?

have fun when the new patch comes out and you're left with no skill whatsoever.

I can't understand ppl who make posts like this.  Yes I bunny hop, noob toob, etc, but do you really think thats all that I can do?  After the next patch I might take a week or two to adjust to the changes, but I will still own as much as I do now, why?  Because I can adapt.  If DICE implemented crappy game mechanics I will use them until its changed, why should I put myself at a disadvantage?  I will be glad when the noob toobs and dolphin diving is taken out because it is stupid, but until we get 1.2 its the only way to survive on maps like Karkand.

I find it odd that this is even an argument. GL's aren't supposed to go off point blank period, it's completely unrealistic. Logical and educated people find the fact that that they currently operate like this ridiculous. It would be the exact same argument is the hard gun started shooting through walls. Its obviously not relatively true to the real life model. No one is asking for America's Army, and I'm sure DICE will take into consideration the in game distance ratio and bring GL's back to the originally stated use as anti-vehicle weapon. It would be a wasted fix for them to set the distance timer too high as that would just swing the kit out of wack the opposite way.

As for current use of the GL, I think most people will not complain about being killed by it. Everyone on either side has expressed only a wish for balance. I think it's fairly reasonable to say that any weapon that allows me basically instant kills with just about 0 danger head to head is over powered. If we could pit you against yourself in a theoretical match of Assault vs. Assault one using the rifle and one using the GL, the GL guy would win everytime in a head on close quarters meeting unless you managed to score a HS. This is assuming you both see each other at the same time. Its a gimmick. We will all be better off when its gone.

Bunny hopping on the other hand I'm mixed about. I hate to see people doing it as it looks retarted but it also adds only a slight advantage and if people want to look like idiots and they want the advantage that badly I say let them have it. It doesn't seem to effect me much.

If they make it bounce off walls it will totally defeat the object. You might aswell point a shitty stick at an enemy vehicle.

I know it's old but Delta Force used to have a feature where if you fired your grenade launcher too close to yourself it would simply just bury itself into the ground and dissapear.

Hopefully this is what they have planned. I don't want to be running around with a grenade that operates like the teargas launcher, especially when they've nerfed it's blast radius.

Last edited by Esker (2006-01-17 19:45:06)

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

ok?

have fun when the new patch comes out and you're left with no skill whatsoever.

I can't understand ppl who make posts like this.  Yes I bunny hop, noob toob, etc, but do you really think thats all that I can do?  After the next patch I might take a week or two to adjust to the changes, but I will still own as much as I do now, why?  Because I can adapt.  If DICE implemented crappy game mechanics I will use them until its changed, why should I put myself at a disadvantage?  I will be glad when the noob toobs and dolphin diving is taken out because it is stupid, but until we get 1.2 its the only way to survive on maps like Karkand.

The real question for you is....after the next patch are you still going to TK for vehicles?

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=10862

To be fair I'd say both of your points are valid.  Some folks will definately be impacted when their "crutch" gets taken away.  Others, like yourself, sporting a 1.50+ K/D with normal weaps will probably be able to adapt without too much trouble.

But to the crux of the matter.....if you are arguing that the GL is fine the way it is, you simply don't want competive, balanced play.  As plain as I can state it you can not have a one shot kill weapon with a 60+ accuracy percentage.  I'd even say that's low end.....look at Darth_Fleder's numbers.  All things considered I'd say he's below average with the weapon yet still manages nearly 66% accuracy.

Frankly I don't get it....teh_seraphim makes a point to bitch about people complaining (on a complaint forum? no less) and that they should adapt but the same thing could be said for those bitching about the changes?  What's worse do you think?  Someone bitching (granted a lot) about a clearly overpowered game mechanic or someone bitching about it being changed to achieve a little more balance?  I'd say the latter....the good players will still be affective with the GL....I'm ok with that.  Instead of getting killed by the GL ten times a map it'll only be four and those times I might  actually be able to give the guy some props with a "nice shot".

also if someone asked me to describe what's wrong with our race i'd use this as an example:

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

If DICE implemented crappy game mechanics I will use them until its changed, why should I put myself at a disadvantage?

No Offense intended towards Darth_Fleder, his numbers were just handy.

topal63 wrote:

teh_seraphim, is merely coloring the original complaint (whine) with an alternative viewpoint, and simply suggesting indirectly that: some of these vocal few (unhappy whiners) will not ever be satisified, no matter what changes are made to appease this vocal minority. They will not try to adapt to the game ever, they will complain instead that: the rules or game mechanics must change - not them.

I agree....people will always find something to complain about (See "What if my name was Dick" thread)

But having said that......

1.  If no one complained about it we'd eventually all be playing assault class......lol..could you imagine that!

2.  You can't complain about complainers in a complaint forum.  That's like trying to thwack a thwackback...it's just not allowed

Looking at your time played using the GL I know you can't be liking this change, however, your light hearted disposition is a breath of fresh air so cheers!

topal63 wrote:

As far as what class is currently played most that's hard to tell . . .
Actually I think, more people play medic class. . . than assault class, but that is only a guess.

In normal pubbie servers it may not be assualt...but only because there is now a stigma of "no skill" attached to the class.  I'm not saying it's right but honestly how many folks to you really see using that "upgraded" g3?

Also in serious matches I.E. ladder/clan matches (most of which dont allow unlocks) it is 100% the most played kit.

This post is kind of off topic now so My apologies.  And how come nobody resonded with my cheap shot on vengeance..i basically registered to bust that cat's balls