Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6910
Fine, I'll go first.

I believe that this forum is missing certain vital parts. For starters, the reason that brought us together has almost disappeared. We all came here because of Battlefield 2. how many old members still play it? How many of the regular contributors actually play and are interested in discussing BF2? Very few. The very basic element of any community - something almost everyone has in common - is missing. We're just people on a forum.

This decline has in itself caused a lack of genuine activity and has reduced the amount of prominent members. While there may still be things that make this forum interesting, the main source of enthusiasm is heavily damaged and people's interests have become divided, reducing the sense of community.

Do not underestimate the need every forum has for role model members. Every large social group has prominent, popular members. These people are moderators without even realizing it. Such an active, popular, and respected member is not only a role model, but also a creator of interesting discussions. This happens subtly, but rest assured that the bulk of a forum listens to the minority. You can't cut out that minority without the bulk changing, like water breaking a dam.

So, what happens when:

a) Interesting discussions happen less frequently and interest less people
b) there are few new prominent members
c) the popular members start leaving

The bulk of the forum - the people who follow others - will suddenly be at a loss. Given a free yet bland environment with nobody to remind them of how to act, they contribute on a far lower level.

The mods come into this at point c - Together with people leaving because of an increasingly stale forum, those loud members who remind the masses of where the extremes are at, get banned. Every community moderates itself: role models are created, along with social norms. Any person who acts outside of these, for example by spamming too much, will be negatively received by the community and will thus be discouraged from posting. Without a reminder of what is wrong, people gradually veer off into that wrong direction.

Another problem is that with a stale forum, people get bored and will want to do something to change that, forcing them towards territory outside of the rules. I believe that the mods are wrong by banning people that are being pushed away by problems in the forum itself, and not trying to tackle that underlying problem.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6746|Gogledd Cymru

Ultimatrox wrote:

Have you ever considered not everyone thinks forums are a place to talk serious bussiness, especially in JUNK DRAWER? If people would want to talk all serious they would go to D&ST.
Yes I have actually, fortunately, these forums frown upon spam etc. So they encourage people to stop it or find somewhere else to do it. And just because Everything else doesn't have "Serious" in the forum title, doesn't give you the right to spam everywhere.
ThaReaper
Banned
+410|6897
You should all just grow up a little.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6757|so randum

The Sheriff wrote:

Ultimatrox wrote:

Have you ever considered not everyone thinks forums are a place to talk serious bussiness, especially in JUNK DRAWER? If people would want to talk all serious they would go to D&ST.
Yes I have actually, fortunately, these forums frown upon spam etc. So they encourage people to stop it or find somewhere else to do it. And just because Everything else doesn't have "Serious" in the forum title, doesn't give you the right to spam everywhere.
This is coming from long time spammer Surgeon by the way.


tbh all spam should be vetted and approved by him.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Ultimatrox
Member
+38|6490|Netherlands

The Sheriff wrote:

Ultimatrox wrote:

Have you ever considered not everyone thinks forums are a place to talk serious bussiness, especially in JUNK DRAWER? If people would want to talk all serious they would go to D&ST.
Yes I have actually, fortunately, these forums frown upon spam etc. So they encourage people to stop it or find somewhere else to do it. And just because Everything else doesn't have "Serious" in the forum title, doesn't give you the right to spam everywhere.
Spam isn't everywhere here, but i feel as if some people here are way too serious about this whole situation. I mean come on, many lulz were had with some spam threads, spam posts or whatever, tell me now, how many lulz are had when everyone is serious for 99% ?
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6746|Gogledd Cymru

FatherTed wrote:

This is coming from long time spammer Surgeon by the way.


tbh all spam should be vetted and approved by him.
I took the numerous hints that I was acting like a bell-end and grew up.
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6569

MetaL* wrote:

ebug9 wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

their dropping like flies ............ by the time trakr is up and running there will be no-one left
Mods - 1 

Funny spamming idiots - 0
Kiss more ass why don't you?
I'm not kissing ass. Mods are but ig is more
Ultimatrox
Member
+38|6490|Netherlands

ebug9 wrote:

MetaL* wrote:

ebug9 wrote:


Mods - 1 

Funny spamming idiots - 0
Kiss more ass why don't you?
I'm not kissing ass. Mods are but ig is more
And you're telling you're not asskissing?
teek22
Add "teek22" on your PS3 fools!
+133|6638|Bromley, London

Spam is funny in right places relative to on topic.

Just spam of little shitty things constantly occurring are annoying.
Even in "Everything else" it is not a place to spam. A place to post random stuff and videos. Not spam. I do not see why some people say you are bumming a mod if you say not to spam. And why some people feel the need to defy the mods and spam 24/7.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6737|Somewhere else

I am not one to spam but... for god sakes.

Internet: srs bsns----> on both sides.

Some mods here are a bit short and have a tendancy to not be able to relax.  On the other hand, I've seen what happens when people get the spam bug when there are no mods/admins online; it turns into fucking 4chan REAL QUICK.

So, I do feel the banhammer is a bit over wielded, but there are places for unrestrained spam and pointless shenanigens, namely... 4chan.
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6569

Ultimatrox wrote:

ebug9 wrote:

MetaL* wrote:


Kiss more ass why don't you?
I'm not kissing ass. Mods are but ig is more
And you're telling you're not asskissing?
Of course not I've been debating calling a mod an asshole for the last week to get banned (exams this week and I'm a forum addict). But that wouldn't be rational.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6725

teek22 wrote:

Spam is funny in right places relative to on topic.

Just spam of little shitty things constantly occurring are annoying.
Even in "Everything else" it is not a place to spam. A place to post random stuff and videos. Not spam. I do not see why some people say you are bumming a mod if you say not to spam. And why some people feel the need to defy the mods and spam 24/7.
I really don't have an problem with a mod dealing with spam but OHound's sundden to ban without warning anyone who makes one spam post is really not fair. Some of the people banned by him might not have even seen the post saying that as it was just thrown into a thread with nothing to direct members attention to it until people started getting banned.
Ultimatrox
Member
+38|6490|Netherlands

teek22 wrote:

Spam is funny in right places relative to on topic.

Just spam of little shitty things constantly occurring are annoying.
Even in "Everything else" it is not a place to spam. A place to post random stuff and videos. Not spam. I do not see why some people say you are bumming a mod if you say not to spam. And why some people feel the need to defy the mods and spam 24/7.
Personally, I think some spam should be allowed, i can understand it's annoying sometimes but i have had some great times on this website when everybody wasn't as serious as they are now.
Have been around here longer then my registered days actually so i've seen quite a lot of spammers come and go. It seems like all there is these days: the srs bsns regulars who were drawn in here for bf2 just like me, and the spammers who are banned/flamed to death by the regulars.
Wish the old days could return..
kptk92
u
+972|6665|tc_london

The Sheriff wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

This is coming from long time spammer Surgeon by the way.


tbh all spam should be vetted and approved by him.
I took the numerous hints that I was acting like a bell-end and grew up.
Quote of the Century
Ultimatrox
Member
+38|6490|Netherlands
Anyways, off to bed now so kisses to everyone, and please this is just a forum, a good one with nice people, but still it's just on the internet people.
Don't take it too seriously is all i can say.
Nighty Night.

- Ultimatrox
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|6906

ebug9 wrote:

Ultimatrox wrote:

ebug9 wrote:


I'm not kissing ass. Mods are but ig is more
And you're telling you're not asskissing?
Of course not I've been debating calling a mod an asshole for the last week to get banned (exams this week and I'm a forum addict). But that wouldn't be rational.
...Here's how you do it.

bug-"Mr Mod, can you please ban me because I have exams coming up.."
mod-"Sure" *Perm bans bug till the bla bla di bla of june"
bug-"WOHOOOO, I'm done now can you unban me?"
(I've never used the following terms but since this is ig's goodbye thread I'll give it a go)
mod-"wat?...no
                  u"
r'Eeee
That's how I roll, BITCH!
+311|6705

Too much drama.
Peter
Super Awesome Member
+494|6659|dm_maidenhead

teek22 wrote:

Spam is funny in right places relative to on topic.

Just spam of little shitty things constantly occurring are annoying.
Even in "Everything else" it is not a place to spam. A place to post random stuff and videos. Not spam. I do not see why some people say you are bumming a mod if you say not to spam. And why some people feel the need to defy the mods and spam 24/7.
When did I let you out of you're cage?

Gimp.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6878|London, England
Oh shit nigga
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6737|Somewhere else

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

teek22 wrote:

Spam is funny in right places relative to on topic.

Just spam of little shitty things constantly occurring are annoying.
Even in "Everything else" it is not a place to spam. A place to post random stuff and videos. Not spam. I do not see why some people say you are bumming a mod if you say not to spam. And why some people feel the need to defy the mods and spam 24/7.
I really don't have an problem with a mod dealing with spam but OHound's sundden to ban without warning anyone who makes one spam post is really not fair. Some of the people banned by him might not have even seen the post saying that as it was just thrown into a thread with nothing to direct members attention to it until people started getting banned.
Well, does he ban repeat notorious spammers, or anybody who happens to step out of line?

-legit question and unbiased-

EDIT: then again, I do remember being a bit skeptical about Trackr, and asked a few questions in a skeptical way... and OH jumped all over my shit for it....

Last edited by RoosterCantrell (2008-06-05 16:02:39)

Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6910
Ignored ftw, please carry on with being what I described
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6569

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

...Here's how you do it.

bug-"Mr Mod, can you please ban me because I have exams coming up.."
mod-"Sure" *Perm bans bug till the bla bla di bla of june"
bug-"WOHOOOO, I'm done now can you unban me?"
(I've never used the following terms but since this is ig's goodbye thread I'll give it a go)
mod-"wat?...no
                  u"
Yeah...PM would be my way of doing it.
kptk92
u
+972|6665|tc_london
Long live ig!
Microwave
_
+515|6912|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

Lucien wrote:

Fine, I'll go first.

I believe that this forum is missing certain vital parts. For starters, the reason that brought us together has almost disappeared. We all came here because of Battlefield 2. how many old members still play it? How many of the regular contributors actually play and are interested in discussing BF2? Very few. The very basic element of any community - something almost everyone has in common - is missing. We're just people on a forum.

This decline has in itself caused a lack of genuine activity and has reduced the amount of prominent members. While there may still be things that make this forum interesting, the main source of enthusiasm is heavily damaged and people's interests have become divided, reducing the sense of community.

Do not underestimate the need every forum has for role model members. Every large social group has prominent, popular members. These people are moderators without even realizing it. Such an active, popular, and respected member is not only a role model, but also a creator of interesting discussions. This happens subtly, but rest assured that the bulk of a forum listens to the minority. You can't cut out that minority without the bulk changing, like water breaking a dam.

So, what happens when:

a) Interesting discussions happen less frequently and interest less people
b) there are few new prominent members
c) the popular members start leaving

The bulk of the forum - the people who follow others - will suddenly be at a loss. Given a free yet bland environment with nobody to remind them of how to act, they contribute on a far lower level.

The mods come into this at point c - Together with people leaving because of an increasingly stale forum, those loud members who remind the masses of where the extremes are at, get banned. Every community moderates itself: role models are created, along with social norms. Any person who acts outside of these, for example by spamming too much, will be negatively received by the community and will thus be discouraged from posting. Without a reminder of what is wrong, people gradually veer off into that wrong direction.

Another problem is that with a stale forum, people get bored and will want to do something to change that, forcing them towards territory outside of the rules. I believe that the mods are wrong by banning people that are being pushed away by problems in the forum itself, and not trying to tackle that underlying problem.
A very well written and well thought out post. People should read this first....it's just how forums work (imo).
teek22
Add "teek22" on your PS3 fools!
+133|6638|Bromley, London

Peter wrote:

When did I let you out of you're cage?

Gimp.
pfff, you have no control over me!

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