bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6570

Holy crap that thing has better specs than my Toshiba that cost $750 about a year ago
Computer_Guy
Member
+54|6955

CapnNismo wrote:

Computer_Guy wrote:

https://www.camerasdirect.com.au/wcsstore/CamerasDirect/Attachment/images/catalog/products/full/NikonD7000-18-200-VRII-Kit-Image1_382x352.jpg

Nikon D7000 with Nikon 18mm-200mm Lens
fuck yea
I'm excited
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6407|'straya
Price of HD6970 went from $100 more than a GTX570 to $10 more so I picked myself up a Sapphire 2GB HD6970 Should be here tomorrow or monday. Finally a worthy card to go with my i7 build.

https://itsdirect.com.au/product_images/11S-HD6970-2GBA/sap6970.jpg
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7030|PNW

Looks way more tempting than the 580.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6257|Vortex Ring State
Patriot memory Sector 5 4GB kit,

Athlon II X3 3.3GHz tri-core
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6918|The darkside of Denver
gettign tomorrow thanks to meh xmas bonus at work (way bigger than I anticpated, budget game changer).
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41s19-iqgaL._SL500_.jpg

Last edited by SonderKommando (2010-12-16 08:44:41)

Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6407|'straya
Changed my order to a XFX HD6970 because they came into store at the same price as the Sapphire and have better warranty.
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6239|Toronto

SonderKommando wrote:

gettign tomorrow thanks to meh xmas bonus at work (way bigger than I anticpated, budget game changer).
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4 … SL500_.jpg
Noice.
I like pie.
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6918|The darkside of Denver

TSI wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:

gettign tomorrow thanks to meh xmas bonus at work (way bigger than I anticpated, budget game changer).
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4 … SL500_.jpg
Noice.
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6455|Winland

SonderKommando wrote:

TSI wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:

gettign tomorrow thanks to meh xmas bonus at work (way bigger than I anticpated, budget game changer).
Denon AVR-2311CI A/V Receiver
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4 … SL500_.jpg
Noice.
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6918|The darkside of Denver

Freezer7Pro wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:

TSI wrote:


Noice.
yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.
Huh, really?
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6257|The Mitten

SonderKommando wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:


yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.
Huh, really?
Amp size to speaker rating is a very interesting subject.
About power info - http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages … 09138.html
How to (not) damage speakers - http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/mana … dspeakers/
EE (hats
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6455|Winland

SonderKommando wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:


yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.
Huh, really?
Yeah, since when an amplifier runs out of headroom (when it's pushing as much power as it can through a speaker), and tries to push even more, it just keeps on pushing as much as it can, until the wave goes down again. There's a whole science behind it all, but the essence of it is that you'll break your speakers very quickly if you're running a somewhat powerful amplifier beyond what it's capable of, since it makes your speakers (tweeters in particular) produce a lot of heat compared to normal operation.

A more powerful amplifier just means you've got more headroom; you can run a speaker that'll burn with no more than a single Watt of power, connected to a thousand-Watt amplifier, as long as you don't crank the volume too loud.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6781|...

SonderKommando wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:


yea, was gonna get the one above it, but it pushes 125w per channel and itd prob blow my rears..
It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.
Huh, really?
analogous to brown outs killing any electronics/motors
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6918|The darkside of Denver

Freezer7Pro wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

It's easier to blow your speakers with an under-powered amplifier than with an "over-powered" one; you don't use that extra effect unless you're playing very loud. It's just headroom, like a bigger engine in a car.
Huh, really?
Yeah, since when an amplifier runs out of headroom (when it's pushing as much power as it can through a speaker), and tries to push even more, it just keeps on pushing as much as it can, until the wave goes down again. There's a whole science behind it all, but the essence of it is that you'll break your speakers very quickly if you're running a somewhat powerful amplifier beyond what it's capable of, since it makes your speakers (tweeters in particular) produce a lot of heat compared to normal operation.

A more powerful amplifier just means you've got more headroom; you can run a speaker that'll burn with no more than a single Watt of power, connected to a thousand-Watt amplifier, as long as you don't crank the volume too loud.
See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52)  But  there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok.  I guess I'd know if there where damaged.

Last edited by SonderKommando (2010-12-17 08:39:01)

Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6257|The Mitten

SonderKommando wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:


Huh, really?
Yeah, since when an amplifier runs out of headroom (when it's pushing as much power as it can through a speaker), and tries to push even more, it just keeps on pushing as much as it can, until the wave goes down again. There's a whole science behind it all, but the essence of it is that you'll break your speakers very quickly if you're running a somewhat powerful amplifier beyond what it's capable of, since it makes your speakers (tweeters in particular) produce a lot of heat compared to normal operation.

A more powerful amplifier just means you've got more headroom; you can run a speaker that'll burn with no more than a single Watt of power, connected to a thousand-Watt amplifier, as long as you don't crank the volume too loud.
See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52)  But  there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok.  I guess I'd know if there where damaged.
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
EE (hats
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6918|The darkside of Denver

Morpheus wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


Yeah, since when an amplifier runs out of headroom (when it's pushing as much power as it can through a speaker), and tries to push even more, it just keeps on pushing as much as it can, until the wave goes down again. There's a whole science behind it all, but the essence of it is that you'll break your speakers very quickly if you're running a somewhat powerful amplifier beyond what it's capable of, since it makes your speakers (tweeters in particular) produce a lot of heat compared to normal operation.

A more powerful amplifier just means you've got more headroom; you can run a speaker that'll burn with no more than a single Watt of power, connected to a thousand-Watt amplifier, as long as you don't crank the volume too loud.
See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52)  But  there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok.  I guess I'd know if there where damaged.
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125.  This should be ok?  I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6257|The Mitten

SonderKommando wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:

See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52)  But  there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok.  I guess I'd know if there where damaged.
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125.  This should be ok?  I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.
Do you insist on shattering eardrums whenever you listen to something?
if not, you'll be fine

Last edited by Morpheus (2010-12-17 09:17:49)

EE (hats
SonderKommando
Eat, Lift, Grow, Repeat....
+564|6918|The darkside of Denver

Morpheus wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:

Morpheus wrote:


it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125.  This should be ok?  I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.
Do you insist on shattering eardrums whenever you listen to something?
if not, you'll be fine
Lol, no.  thanks guys.
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6455|Winland

SonderKommando wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:


See this concerns me slightly because the amp i was using was a 90w per channel onkyo on Klipsch reference series speakers (whcih are rated for much higher than that RF62,RC52)  But  there is no distortion or anything so I assume they're ok.  I guess I'd know if there where damaged.
it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125.  This should be ok?  I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.
Don't worry about it. You almost never use the 90W your amplifier is capable of. If you're just listening to music at normal-ish high volume, say, loud enough to make you raise your voice a bit to speak to someone, you're just using about a Watt of power for each speaker. But if you want to go above that level, the effect (Watts) starts rolling in, as you need ten times the effect to produce twice the loudness; if 1W is loud, 2W isn't twice as loud, but rather just a slight increase. You need to raise the effect to 10W to make it twice as loud, and to 100 to make it twice as loud again.

Thus, in reality, the difference between a 90, 105 or 125 Watt-per-channel amplifier isn't so great, as you need a 900-Watt unit to make it twice as loud as the 90-Watt one. But 90WPC is, depending on the speakers, either VERY loud, or simply too loud for comfort.

A fun fact that I might add, is that the local cinema over here, until recently, used a 6x25-Watt amplifier for their rear and side speakers.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6257|The Mitten

Freezer7Pro wrote:

SonderKommando wrote:

Morpheus wrote:


it would have to be seriously underpowered, or you'd have to be slamming the volume all the time.
Really, the issue is with the amp not being able to handle it... the speaker would be ok unless the degraded signal heated up the voice coil, or hit the excursion limit of the driver.
Ok so the new reciever Im going to get today is a Denon and will produce 105w per channel on a 5.1 setup with a total output power rating of 735w (105x7) the speakers i have already have an RMS of 125.  This should be ok?  I mean I already was running them on the 90w per channel onkyo and they seem fine.
Don't worry about it. You almost never use the 90W your amplifier is capable of. If you're just listening to music at normal-ish high volume, say, loud enough to make you raise your voice a bit to speak to someone, you're just using about a Watt of power for each speaker. But if you want to go above that level, the effect (Watts) starts rolling in, as you need ten times the effect to produce twice the loudness; if 1W is loud, 2W isn't twice as loud, but rather just a slight increase. You need to raise the effect to 10W to make it twice as loud, and to 100 to make it twice as loud again.

Thus, in reality, the difference between a 90, 105 or 125 Watt-per-channel amplifier isn't so great, as you need a 900-Watt unit to make it twice as loud as the 90-Watt one. But 90WPC is, depending on the speakers, either VERY loud, or simply too loud for comfort.

A fun fact that I might add, is that the local cinema over here, until recently, used a 6x25-Watt amplifier for their rear and side speakers.
the theatre i work at has an old 1970's era 15w amp for the main unit... which is an awesome set itself. I'll have to grab a pic sometime.
EE (hats
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6929|UK
i haven't understood anything from the last 2 pages.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
mikkel
Member
+383|6859

m3thod wrote:

i haven't understood anything from the last 2 pages.
It's supposed to be so esoteric that their bullshit can't be called out. Everything is working as planned.
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6046|Catherine Black
I was gonna say I didn't understand any of what was said in the last 10 replies, but yeah meth that pretty much summed it up.
https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6455|Winland

Finray wrote:

I was gonna say I didn't understand any of what was said in the last 10 replies, but yeah meth that pretty much summed it up.
TL;DR: 90W is more power than he'll ever need.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

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