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You say god created us beforehand knowing every action we would make. But if god gave us control of our souls than that is not true. Given your beliefs it's understandable the concept of soul would elude you.

I personally don't think the idea of a creator demands that a plan is in place as Stingray suggested.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

You say god created us beforehand knowing every action we would make. But if god gave us control of our souls than that is not true. Given your beliefs it's understandable the concept of soul would elude you.

I personally don't think the idea of a creator demands that a plan is in place as Stingray suggested.

You'll have to explain that soul part.

lol.. it's the basis of all Christian beliefs. Wikipedia can help.. to start explaining the reasoning of soul now would take us extremely off topic.

If you want to debate cosmic evolution I'm all for it. Let's start another thread though.

There are some real fucking nutjobs in America when it comes to religion...and seemingly in some very influential positions too.

Thats the scary part, they are every bit a loony and dangerous as the Ayatollahs.

IMO they're ALL loony and dangerous....(see sig)

Dilbert_X wrote:

There are some real fucking nutjobs in America when it comes to religion...and seemingly in some very influential positions too.

Thats the scary part, they are every bit a loony and dangerous as the Ayatollahs.

Haven't seen many evangelicals strapping bombs to themselves or kids with Down Syndrome and sending them into Arab restaurants.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Haven't seen many evangelicals strapping bombs to themselves or kids with Down Syndrome and sending them into Arab restaurants.

No, the religious nutjobs don't need to - they have the whole US military and the IDF killing arabs very efficiently for them.
A JDAM dropped on an apartment building, or unexploded cluster munitions spread across farm land, are a whole lot more effective than a kid with a bomb belt.

I'll bet the US has killed more Arabs than vice versa.
If you include the evangelicals footsoldiers - the Israelis, its several orders of magnitude greater.

Oh right. Of course.

Once again you confuse correlation with causation.

There is a marked difference between intentionally killing civilians and unintentionally killing them. No matter how you try to spin it, that will always be the truth.

Dilbert_X wrote:

There is a marked difference between intentionally killing civilians and unintentionally killing them. No matter how you try to spin it, that will always be the truth.

How so? Dead is dead.
The question was about religious extremists on the Western side not needing to indulge in individual attacks - they have armies, they don't need to.
They did form terrorist gangs, Stern, Irgun etc in the past. Then when they got their army they became legitimate.

US nutjobs don't need to either, they just give lots of money to the Republicans and lo Iraq gets invaded and the Israelis get a ton of weapons

So you're saying there are evangelicals in America and rabbis in Israel that are motivating and calling for armies (as opposed to individuals) to attack civilians?

So you're saying there are evangelicals in America and rabbis in Israel that are motivating and calling for armies (as opposed to individuals) to attack civilians?

I'm saying these people are closely involved in determining foreign policy with the intention the jews achieve their prophesied 'Israel'.
The inevitable consequence is civilians are killed, you can't expel millions of people from their land without blood being spilt, the evangelicals and rabbis don't give a toss.
Read the OP - Hagee is quite comfortable with 6m jews getting vapourised if it achieves his objective of Armegeddon, 2nd coming, who knows, do you think he's bothered about a few Palestinians getting wiped out? Thats what is happening and will continue.

Religious looneytunes have grossly excessive political clout all over the world, christians, jews, moslems (not sure about the buddhists).
The whole world is being screwed over for meaningless bullshit less convincing than the 'Lord of the Rings' (which I like BTW, maybe I should start the Orc world domination party - you're with us or you're with the dwarves).

Think about it - 300m Americans dancing to the orders of 7m Israelis, and provoking ME terrorism, for the sake of a few scribblings.
3,000 dead New Yorkers, 4,000 dead soldiers, constant threat of terrorism - Are you having fun yet?
The oil aspect hasn't exactly worked out well either do you think?
It makes no sense to me.

Judea Christian - Kingdom of Judah.


Although I will say 3000 years is plenty of time to develop differences. Look far enough back and we all have commons.

The only thing Nazi Germany did good was "medical science".

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Hitler talks about how much he hated Jews, yet the Nazi's were Christian. Which is a Jewish religion (same for Islam). These Jew haters are hilarious. They don't even realise the only reason their religion exists is because of the Jews.

If I remember rightly, wasnt Hitlers Grandma a jew?

People who talk like this should be deported, imprisoned, or hung.

Dilbert_X wrote:

So you're saying there are evangelicals in America and rabbis in Israel that are motivating and calling for armies (as opposed to individuals) to attack civilians?

I'm saying these people are closely involved in determining foreign policy with the intention the jews achieve their prophesied 'Israel'.
The inevitable consequence is civilians are killed, you can't expel millions of people from their land without blood being spilt, the evangelicals and rabbis don't give a toss.
Read the OP - Hagee is quite comfortable with 6m jews getting vapourised if it achieves his objective of Armegeddon, 2nd coming, who knows, do you think he's bothered about a few Palestinians getting wiped out? Thats what is happening and will continue.

Religious looneytunes have grossly excessive political clout all over the world, christians, jews, moslems (not sure about the buddhists).
The whole world is being screwed over for meaningless bullshit less convincing than the 'Lord of the Rings' (which I like BTW, maybe I should start the Orc world domination party - you're with us or you're with the dwarves).

Think about it - 300m Americans dancing to the orders of 7m Israelis, and provoking ME terrorism, for the sake of a few scribblings.
3,000 dead New Yorkers, 4,000 dead soldiers, constant threat of terrorism - Are you having fun yet?
The oil aspect hasn't exactly worked out well either do you think?
It makes no sense to me.

If you've got a beef with the existence of Israel and the consequences of its creation, take it up with the world body that created the country: the UN.

These "loonies" are not involved in determining foreign policy (at least not in the US). The population of the US doesn't "dance to the orders of" the Israeli population, and the policies regarding the ME aren't about "a few scribblings".

Dilbert_X wrote:

The UN legitimised Israel essentially after the event, subject to the indigenous populations rights not being infringed.

the policies regarding the ME aren't about "a few scribblings".

Then what are they about exactly?
Why does the US send U$6bn a year to an 'ally' which is nothing of the sort?

Certainly not about Biblical scripture. That's just lazy on your part.

The only stable democracy in the region, maybe. Counter to other major players in the area (Iran, Syria) maybe. Those are all more plausible than it being about scripture.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Politicians in the US owe much of their position and power to the religious loonies, read the OP.
If not why would McCain (and other candidates on either side) give these nutballs the time of day?

They influence large blocks of voters, that's why. It has nothing to do with whether they believe the same things as these idiots...it has everything to do with whether they can use these idiots' influence to get votes.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Why is McCain's Hagee relevant?

Hagee isn't McCain's pastor. He's a pastor with a large congregation who endorsed McCain.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Why is what Obama's Pastor has to say of possible interest?

Because he preaches hate and racism (not that Hagee doesn't)...and Obama sat in the man's congregation for 20-odd years while he did it.

Dilbert_X wrote:

US politics is not far different from Iranian politics in that whackos who believe in imaginary beings have far too much influence.

If that's what you want to believe, nobody will be able to change your mind. Kind of like those whackos in Iran...