I'm talking about servers with specific, posted rules in that response... Not vanilla BF2.
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The screen shot your mate offered as evidence was taken 40 minutes or more before he was kicked, so it's not proof of anything other than you and your clan trying to get back at MoonGamers for kicking and banning you guys for multiple infractions over a long period. The clan ban is nobodies fault but you and your members. If anyone has a bad rep in the BF2 community, it is you and your clan. Honestly, I thought you guys were fun to play against, when you weren't being jerks and causing problems... Too bad you decided that the latter was where you wanted to spend more of your gaming time....
When I am adminning, a lot comes into consideration for a kick to happen. If a team mate intentionally TKs, whether it is knife, gun, C4 or rocket, they need kicked. Intentionally TKing breaks many rules as it also is disrupting gameplay or screwing around. Like it or not, Admins are often the target of intentional TKs and as a result, players do get kicked. If they are dumb enough to TK an Admin, then they obviously are gonna TK anyone else with no regard as well. This is obvious TKs that can't be accidental. Getting warned doesn't mean each player gets a personal warning for their infractions. If you kick a guy for bombing the uncapable bases and a few minutes later another player does the same, that second player doesn't get a special warning, he gets a kick. We routinely spam the uncap rules in green text so nobody can claim they didn't get warned. Occasionally a player may join and miss a warning, but if they just joined, they aren't likely to have gotten a plane that quickly. We make mistakes and I don't know an Admin that won't take responsibility for their mistake. I also know very few players that will admit they did, what the Admin kicked them for. In most cases, they come back in, demand explanations, curse or insult, resulting in more kicks and probably a trip here to whine about it. A good player who screws up will just come back and play, which keeps them off the radar in most cases. We do discuss problem players and keep lists for future reference. This makes them more likely to be weeded out quickly and more likely to be relegated to servers with smacktards and no rules or Admins.OpsChief wrote:
What you say is on target, m8. ITK deserves swift action, but not unusual action. If you know the guy and have seen him ITKing in that or previous games an immediate kick is warranted, I agree. Otherwise a w/k/b process should be followed. When I see a Colonel TK someone in the first 2 minutes, get punished and next moment he is a pilot racking up the score he gets Warned and goes on my watch list, even if I am only using the console. If the same thing happens again a pattern begins to emerge then it is close to Kick time.RyanVeltidi wrote:
I understand your w/k/b reasoning, if an admin is intentionally TK'ed when they are heading out of the spawn, obviously they are going to kick, as they know what happened when they were TK'ed. Can they tell if somebody on the other side of the map just TK'ed for a plane? No. But if somebody tK's them for a plane, they know what happened, and can w/k based on how regular the player is, meaning they should know the rules if they are a regular player. Intentional TKing is always an automatic kick, but the admin can not tell that is what happened unless it happened to them. See what I am saying? If the admin is on the carrier in Oman, and sees somebody Tk somebody else for a plane, the admin would still kick. It's all about seeing the action.OpsChief wrote:
@whytwokay,
bud MG Karkand does not enforce the w/k/b equally. It has happened to me and the worst profanity I have ever used was "WTF", never racial slurred. I dont know why people waste battle time to type that crap anyway. If MGK did 95% they would a) be kicking admins once in a while for TKs, b) not kick people without warning when the TKd person was an admin, c) there are so many posts about admin snap judgements in this forum alone that some of them must have merit.
I guess I'm kind of American in a way because I don't respect people who place themselves above the law (meaning special rule treatment here), because they say they "are the law". lol That's tyrany and it is a brokedick way to be.
Are we admins first or players? When on admin duty I am admin first and missing play time isn't a consideration. I admit it may be easier for me because I couldn't give a rats fuzzy little ass about stats anyway. I cannot imagine giving people who TK me special extra punishment because I am an admin. Unless they say "I hate admins and I am going to shoot you" then shoot me.... I won't do something other than punish them on the first offense.
I agree that admins should have to follow the rules to the smallest degree too, they are not above the players, and should be one of the players. Over on our BF1942 servers, the admins are fun people and everybody has a great time with them. They are regular players and an intricate part of the community. BF2 is not like that, the players of BF2 are just not the same for some reason. It would be like comparing it to the Counter Strike players, there are some mature adults, but there are tons of kids.
Admins should be willing to suicide at any time to check out rule breakers. Do they do this in BF2? Not all of them. In BF1942 admins would suicide and immedietly cross the map in free camera to check it out. In BF2 the same thing is possible, and they should do that. Score should not matter for the admin. If they care that much about their score, that they are not willing to suicide to check something out, they shouldn't be an admin in my opinion. Plane, tank, helo, whatever. It shouldn't matter.
Disclaimer: I am not an admin for Moongamers, only a long-time community member and player.
I am amazed at how the admin WARNING: [player] for Team Killing!!!! message gets people's attention and curbs ill or sloppy behavior. An Admin just typing in "People calm down there is too much TKing" can even make a difference. It reminds people someone is watching. Only the most asshatted players ignore it and they will give plenty of opportunity to kick soon enough. lol
I think alot of the complaints and subsequent admin actions are from the game rules. If BF2 had checkblock place for rules to be Accepted before someone joins a game things would calm down a little. Then if various ROEs could be coded/selected into game play even more admin headaches would go away. A system to block TKers from entering a vehicle for 20 seconds after the TK would stop ITKs for that. Getting the damn redtag bug fixed would be genius.
As for playing favorites, just today a player who was in Team Speak shot me a few times, just screwing around. I know this player and he is well liked among Admins. I told him I'd kick him if he did it again. It's disruptive and his being a known player and a friend to Admins makes him MORE susceptable to being kicked in my book. I am harder on regular players, because I know that they know the rules. So they get less leeway than someone who's name I don't recognize. I don't forgive my friends or fellow Admin for disruptive behavior or rule breaking. It's that simple...
Why get to know them when it's easier to come here to cry, piss and moan about getting caught breaking their rules. I mean, it doesn't make sense to follow rules and play a game in a manner that tries to make it fun for everyone, instead of a select few, does it???-=FS=-andrew wrote:
all the admins there try their best. they don't have enough admins to monitor everything that goes on. Moongamers has 4 BF2 servers like ryan said.. but they also have some CS:S, COD2 and BF1942 servers. MOST the admins they have, admin more then the BF2 servers. They give up their time to to run these servers to give people a place to play.. they do not kick because they get killed over and over. IF an admin did do that, they would lose the admin powers. They all have reasons. If you break a rule they will kick you.. plain and simple.. Not all. are bad.. Join teamspeak and forums, get to know them before you judge them
Wow, your amazing grasp of yhe situation and then completely ignoring it in your answer, is something to see...JimmyBotswana wrote:
I agree with the author. I have been kicked from there before for taking the tank at the beginning of the match and driving to the east side of the alleys where people spawn at hotel and killing like 2 or 3 people and moving on. They call that spawncamping. I would never camp there it's retarded if you sit there and shoot everyone who walks by you are going to get blown up very quickly even if only 1 person on the whole team knows what to do. You shoot who you see and keep moving if you are any good at armor. Unless you have UAV, then you are golden to sit and shoot whoever you see. But it is not spawncamping at the beginning of the match. Your team is trying to cap the flag and those spots are where loads of enemies are. Even if you haven't spawned there you are likely to be in the action around there. So what you can kill them but not the ones who just spawned? You have to let them get away so they have a chance to kill you? That's a tank's job, it wasn't invented to shoot pretty flowers at everyone who walks by. It was invented to tear you to shreds. And when it does its job, people scream spawncamping. No it's called Flag Pounding, it's what armor is supposed to do, so our team can advance and capture a position.
You shouldn't have been kicked and had you come to our forums and told us the situation, it may have helped in the weeding process. But to be honest, I rarely play on that server myself as I don't like the way the rules work on there. We have very few rules on our Special Forces server and it always seems to run very well.OpsChief wrote:
Your poll question leaves no answer but that it was fair to boot you for the published rules offense with the caveat that they always boot anyone for the same offense, inlcuding admins.
Klaarq is absolutely right no arguments there. You broke the rules. You walk the plank...I understand what they are trying to do and they have the loyal happy clientele to support the rules so leave them alone.
Do I like those rules? naaaa Strategic team-play is almost negated by rules turning BF2 into some kind of 1980s space invaders videogame, but it is within the ROE so let them do it.
btw I stopped playing moongamers servers because on Karkand I was USMC driving to the suburbs in armor with my squad m8 when an AT gunner fired at us from an alley (spawn point), killing my m8 on the MG. Without ever stopping, not even slowing any, I fired and killed the AT gunner, popped smoke and continued up the street past the Square only to be kicked for "spawn camping with armor near the Hotel" lmao and yes, since you asked, the AT gunner was an admin....fortunately for all of us most admins don't use their kick/ban tools as if they were TK punish voting.
No worries, there are so many good servers out there I lost only a minute or two of game time.
I am amazed at the itellectual level of your post. You sir, are a class act. I bet your parents are proud of the way you're turning out... I hope the state you live in, hasn't passed a ban on your procreating, as we need more like you in this world... putzdietcokeBF2 wrote:
like anyones gunna go to this fag server/site/clan anymore, may want to put a leesh on your admin buddy...Lin wrote:
Yes, and you apparently got yourself banned from ours. We don't ban for minor crap like that, so my guess is that like most players who get their toys taken away, you were probably doing more than your story would imply. That is what we find 90% of the time when we review logs, etc. After all...it wouldn't make you look good in this thread if you admitted to doing more than what you're admitting to, would it?
For the record and then I'm done here...we don't allow base camping because we want the game to remain FUN. Some like that, some don't...no big deal. We define base camping as shooting from vehicles. It is legal to base camp using infantry, commander arty, and you can certainly squish (run over) players in vehicles. We also allow ghetto ladas.
Server rules can be found on our web site.
Lin
www.moongamers.com
First off, spawn camping as infantry IS ALLOWED and I think you think TOO MUCH, because you are not involved in the mentioned server and you obviously don't know the rules there. The rule is simple and there's no room for debate. You are not, under any circumstances, allowed to fire a vehicle mounted weapon into or inside the uncaps, if you are the enemy. It's that simple. No defending yourself or any other bullshit excuse. THERE IS NO FIRING ALLOWED from a vehicle mounted weapon. You can snipe, C-4, use your hand held machine guns or rocket launchers or grenades all day if you wish. That means a plane can't bomb or machine gun the Essex or the main MEC base. The plane CAN wingtip or ram, if he desires, just no weapons fire. You can use boats or LAVs to GET to the Essex, you just can't fire on it with their weapons. Once on the Essex, you can't jump in a Blackhawk, Attack Chopper or Jet and shoot the men or equipment, but you can steal and fly off in them. You can steal equipment from the main MEC base, but the firing of vehicle mounted weapons, INCLUDING A/A is forbidden. If you are in a jet, flying over the main MEC base or the Essex, you can fire on air born planes and choppers, so long as they aren't in the process of taking off and have had a chance to complete a left or right turn. In the case of the chopper taking off, it should be clear of the deck of the ship and be over the water when you fire on it, after it's take-off. The reasons for these rules are simply to not allow those with much better systems and skills, to always immediately have the game winning advantage, thereby stacking the teams for an unfair game, which ends the round too soon and takes the fun out of the game for half the players. If your idea of fun is mommy and daddy buying you the best system money can buy and coming to servers to rape bases and unfairly beat out those that aren't as fortunate as you, then move along. We'd like everyone to get a chance to enjoy the game. Not just those who have fast computers, nice hacks and great gaming skills. If you can't see the sense in that, then go play Unreal Tournament or some other ego boosting gore fest, with no real sense of team work or fair play...DSRTurtle wrote:
So he's supposed to let an admin kill him without trying to defend himself? I'll remember that if you if you come into a server I admin and kill me with a vehicle in an uncap.Klaarg wrote:
He should have been kicked, as it was AGAINST THE RULES TO FIRE A VEHICLE MOUNTED WEAPON INSIDE THE UN CAPABLE BASE! Geesh you people are stupid. Learn to friggin' read and remember, YOU aren't the final say, the rules and Admins are... o_OPFCStenzel wrote:
You shouldn't have been kicked. That is just ridiculous.
I think the spawn camping/spawn raping rules apply to something like the following. Continuously entering uncap bases without first capturing all the other flags. Killing people as soon as they spawn without them having a chance to move, let alone aim a weapon.
It's funny, the guy who started this post gets it now and abides by the rules. The rest of you are arguing for no reason, since you don't know the rules and obviously just think your opinion is more important than the actual rules that have been put in place. It's simple, follow the rules and have fun or get warned, then kicked and eventually banned... But, EA has plenty of servers for you to play on, so save yourself the trouble and go there first, if you feel you can't abide by the rules...
He should have been kicked, as it was AGAINST THE RULES TO FIRE A VEHICLE MOUNTED WEAPON INSIDE THE UNCAPABLE BASE! Geesh you people are stupid. Learn to friggin' read and remember, YOU aren't the final say, the rules and Admins are... o_OPFCStenzel wrote:
You shouldn't have been kicked. That is just ridiculous.
That's not base raping... You are allowed to steal vehicles, you just can't shoot their weapons until you have left the uncapable base. Stealing vehicles is great fun and should always be allowed...Jussimies wrote:
Stealing plane from enemy uncap is worst baseraping u can do.
I think it's safe to say, players who enjoy base raping are trying to make up for any of the following:
No "real" friends
no girlfriend
small genitalia(see above)
no skill
no values
no sense of fair play
not enough attention from parents
not breast fed enough as an infant
or no idea that if you keep it up long enough, the game stops being fun and people stop playing it.
It boils down to the simple fact that if your style of game play is cheating, base raping, glitching or using anything other than what's considered fair, you seriously need therapy of some kind. You feel inferior in some way and using these methods makes you feel superior for a short time. If you also hurt small animals or children, you have a wonderful future in the career field of being a psychopath. At the very least, you might consider trying to fix what you can about yourself...
No "real" friends
no girlfriend
small genitalia(see above)
no skill
no values
no sense of fair play
not enough attention from parents
not breast fed enough as an infant
or no idea that if you keep it up long enough, the game stops being fun and people stop playing it.
It boils down to the simple fact that if your style of game play is cheating, base raping, glitching or using anything other than what's considered fair, you seriously need therapy of some kind. You feel inferior in some way and using these methods makes you feel superior for a short time. If you also hurt small animals or children, you have a wonderful future in the career field of being a psychopath. At the very least, you might consider trying to fix what you can about yourself...
EA has plenty of servers for you to play on, so quit complaining about not getting your way and go play there... You guys sound like the Marines that got caught killing women and children in Iraq and made up a car bomb story to cover it... I'm sure that lot thought base raping was fun, too... Even reality has rules, as they are finding out, so do like a real soldier, follow the rules and quit crying... Better yet, lets limit or take out re-spawns and make you wait till the end of the round to play again, after a TK... See how you like base raping after you sit around in empty servers waiting for players all day.
Admins do make mistakes, but it sounds like someone just used the quickest way to kick you for being in a vehicle. What server were you on that doesn't allow vehicles to be used in certain rounds? I've never seen a server do that...rededition wrote:
This message goes out to all you admin retards who abuse the servers.Upon joining a server yesterday which i quite often play i got put on the yanks side on Karkand.
Upon just joining the game i decided to start off at the filling station and make my way into battle.
I jumped into one of APC's and headed into the town.After driving down the road it came upon the screen the next round is with APC's and Tanks.
After reading this i thought shit ---ok ill just drive to the start of the town and jump out.
I never fired one round and i was just about to jump out when i got kicked from the server.
GOT KICKED FOR STEALING OPPOSITIONS VEHICLE.
It was my fucking vehicle and i never killed anybody.
Some of u fucking admin need to sort ur life out and play the game normal and not kicking people for stupid reasons.I'd love to meet some of u fucking retards so i can bang ur head against a fucking brick wall so that it sheds a bit of light in that thing of urs. Yes they call it a brain but unfortunately urs is full of shit.
Judge not, lest ye be judged...0mikr0n wrote:
Oh my god... getting kicked for cockpit. Heh, happened to me once.
What drives me nuts are Christian servers. Let's see what Seven Deadly Sins they break while running a ranked server:
1. Pride - For running a ranked server and enjoying stats play.
2. Envy - Because who doesn't want to be like {TA} Firestorm?
5. Anger - Because they get angry at people who swear.
7. Sloth - They must be careless because they play BF2. Seriously, do you know anyone who has sat down and played only one round of BF2?
We don't kick good players. Good players follow rules and have a good time. We kick smacktards... Smacktards break rules and disrupt the game...devilcat wrote:
If the servers with rules would just ban me instead of kicking me I would be extremely happy, because I would not have to worry about returning to there server, EA should do away with the kick feature and only have the Ban feature, that way admins may think twice about kicking when they find out there will be no more good players on there server
He's pissed because I gave him a positive karma... I think he's my new project...OpsChief wrote:
roflmao you have too much coffee today?jrockyourdome wrote:
give me neg karma I want the medal bitch. For being a asshole you all suck . whats wroung with you hahahahah
Other than you, a big part of what I have found, are obviously the people I kick and ban... lol....OpsChief wrote:
I have done that before no guts required. If I had a grudge against one person I might but that's not likely. I have found that the server forums are very protective of their own and abusive to posters who are interested in making BF2 better. I bet I was just unlucky and found two bad ones. I also find a better mix of people and feedback here in BF2s. I hope that since a wide variety of people read this forum that maybe we can all help each others sanity lolKlaarg wrote:
It's a little hard to ignore people who come here to complain. If they had the guts to go to the forums of the server they complained about, I wouldn't be here, I'd be there...sHaDy6 wrote:
lol how true +1 for tht
When I said 95% of TKing, I was refering to Admins... I'd say most other TKing is accidental or forced by the TKed player. I rarely run into a TKer who is intentionally TKing any more.OpsChief wrote:
First remember this topic is about abuse of authority not stats or TKing...... and this is the Complaint Department. Klaarq, m8, you sound like you are taking this personally, I am not attacking admins but the behavior of one particular admin and the reason he felt he could abuse his position.Klaarg wrote:
First off, I give diddley squat about what you have investigated or not investigated. This is a game where old people all the way down to children are playing. YOU need to be responsible for your bullets, Period... Most Admins that get TKed immediately kick, since 95% of the time it's intentional. If you don't like the odds of getting kicked, be careful where you point. We don't have the same view in this game that a real human does, so he can't be looking behind himself at you, while running forward. Contrary to what you seem to believe, the world is NOT your oyster and it doesn't revolve around you. If you shot your team mate in the back, it was your fault, regardless of the circumstances. If his back is to you, he can't see you. What happened is you were so focused on your kill/points, you didn't give a damn. Since you had the misfortune to kill an Admin, you feel a need to puff up your chest and shout about how wronged you were and make yourself feel righteous. If he had perm-banned you, THAT would have been an abuse of power. As it was, he did what any Admin would do. There aren't many coincidences in TKing, it's usually some smacktard. If you explained and apologized, most Admins would have been apologetic for the kick and explained why it happened. It sounds like you'd rather complain that try to work it out...OpsChief wrote:
First I really appreciate and admire good admins. They work hard, most of them. Some take advantage of their position to mold the game their way. Thank God it's only a few.
Have you ever personally conducted a military investigation? You don't sound like it. You sound like a news media armchair lawyer (a cross between a couch potato and a barracks lawyer). Your comments look like you didn't read my post either. And don't tell me you never saw someone run or spawn into bullets in flight. Unless you are always a lone wolf and never engage beyond 5 meters you have seen it. period. It wasn't the TK that pissed me off it was the abuse of power...
Assume = ass u me You lessen us both by thinking you know the specific details that I did not provide as they were not relevent to the topic of abuse.
lol who said I shot him in the back? In the spawn case he spawned at the Suburbs while I was shooting a prone enemy by the phone booth. He was facing and ran toward me for the 1 second after spawning. I had at least one burst in the air when he spawned. The other time was down the hill from the suburbs heading to the Square and he ran laterally into our fire from behind and to my left rear. Since he was coming from behind me he had the visual line to change directions or stop. You need to apply some battlefield geometry before you apply anger m8. But this doesn't matter. It's what he did about it that is the problem.
And who said he kicked me? Had he kicked or banned me I feel it is my duty to report him. He was not doing what I think you would do in the same situation. You would ask about red nametags and checked line of site and assessed the squad array before making the threats.
If you know anything about me it isn't the stats that I play for. In fact I was focussed on supporting my squad's advance at the times. I can tell you that the Admin in question is stat focussed if you care to know.
The time he spent threatening me is the same time he could have asked what was happening.
I am not a smacktard. That's for the younger or statmonger crowd. I did not name names or servers. I did not attack the individual just the situation. I didn't call him names. If you don't like what I am saying but have no specific reason for it that doesn't automatically make me a smacktard.
I agree with you and believe you don't care about my personal insights as you have said. I'm OK with that.
95% of TKing is intentional?????? anyone else have this data? I bet it is more like 25% or less. Most I have seen was based on that damn redtag bug, overshooting targets, target masking, or people running willynilly into engagement areas and getting hit by everything but the kitchen sink.
Let me Guess. You started reading my first post and got pissed and them assumed you knew everything about me and my comments and proceeded to respond based on your assumptions rather then my comments, and you made the rest up to fill in the blanks.... pretty normal behavior I suppose.
Now what should I respect you for if all I have is your comments in this article?
I do appreciate the good work you admins do, keep it up.
I didn't get pissed when I read any of this, accept for the idiots who have to insert profanity to make up for the lost brain cells and fact that they have no real point. Personally, from what you just wrote, had I been the Admin, there'd have been no discussion. The TK would have been ignored and forgiven without a second thought. Your first post was vague and the way most people come here and whine, it was easy to think you were backshooting the Admin. Also, I didn't mean he kicked you, I was refering to what most Admins due in the case of them being TKed multiple times by the same player.
I don't ask for respect, that is something the people who run the server want to see. I am realistic and I don't think it's possible to get respect from a player, until he gets on Team Speak and talks to me for some length of time, while playing the game. Unless he's a total smacktard, he will most likely respect me and my fair treatment of players, onces he's been around me some.
It's a little hard to ignore people who come here to complain. If they had the guts to go to the forums of the server they complained about, I wouldn't be here, I'd be there...sHaDy6 wrote:
lol how true +1 for thtgene_pool wrote:
If You Don't Want To Heear Complaints Get The Fuck Out Of The "bf2 Complain" Section.
He broke a rule. It's that simple... It's clearly stated in the loading screen and it pops up repeatedly all through the game. There are other servers he is more than welcome to play at, that don't have the uncap rule...rootbeer73 wrote:
very gay reason for a ban
Not offended or angered. When we say "Respect the Admins" that is exactly what we mean. We would like you to treat the Admins like people. Not slaves, employees or a filth target for language. Some servers give the keys to their Admins and turn a blind eye to behavior. If an Admin is wrong in his treatment of you, there are often logs of the event and at our servers, he will have to answer for that. Also, many Admins don't always play with their tags on, so if another Admin is behaving badly, they won't be for long...OpsChief wrote:
I offer great appreciation to the free time and lost game time you give to the BF2 community but it's your choice too am I right?Klaarg wrote:
....So sure, after you TK an Admin(a pretty dumb thing to do, in anyone's book...
Your quote is exactly what I am talking about....admins are equal to anyone else in the game as far as the play goes. If an admin thinks he is too special to risk the same things anyone else does in the game he should hang up his spurs. What is it? Kill an admin go to jail? lol Admins need to separate the two distinctly different roles.
I don't play on servers that say "respect admins". This is wrong because respect is an earned relationship between people, like it or not humans don't respect corruption and forcing respect is an act of tyranny (inherently corrupt) so run the logic out... lol damn im giving a class in leadership & sociology.
What they really mean by "respect" admins is either to "appreciate" or to "fear" admins. And that is closer to the truth isn't it. Admins are people subject to frustration and if willful and emotional then likely to act out with available tools. People with power having little or no exposure to the Ethics of Authority are historically likely to be tyranical. Now don't get upset because this comment only applies to those it applies to, which is not all admins or people. If this pisses you off maybe you need to check your actions as admin again and see if you feel clean (not 'justified' but 'clean'). If you do then you are probably an ethical admin and I salute you.
Much thanks and keep up the good work my hat is off to you.
Admins often make themselves targets, to more easily see the rule breakers. When they get killed, say, in an uncapable base and then kick the rule breaker, he runs to places like this and cries "foul", blaming the kick on his killing an Admin. Yes, he killed an Admin, but he did so in the act of breaking rules. True Admins don't worry so much about their score or whether they get owned. They often sit in uncapable bases trying to stay alive, so they can better identify rule breakers.
As for voluteering to be an Admin... I didn't. I was asked to do the job and I accepted the offer. I am ill, so I spend a lot of time adminning and some just playing. But I have been an Admin since before BF2 came out and my player name has the word Admin in it and since EA is run by idiots, I have no way of getting rid of that for days when I just want to play. When the Tag add on screen came out, I had too many points to bother with starting a new account. I assume that one day I'll give it up and start a new name, playing just for fun.
First off, I give diddley squat about what you have investigated or not investigated. This is a game where old people all the way down to children are playing. YOU need to be responsible for your bullets, Period... Most Admins that get TKed immediately kick, since 95% of the time it's intentional. If you don't like the odds of getting kicked, be careful where you point. We don't have the same view in this game that a real human does, so he can't be looking behind himself at you, while running forward. Contrary to what you seem to believe, the world is NOT your oyster and it doesn't revolve around you. If you shot your team mate in the back, it was your fault, regardless of the circumstances. If his back is to you, he can't see you. What happened is you were so focused on your kill/points, you didn't give a damn. Since you had the misfortune to kill an Admin, you feel a need to puff up your chest and shout about how wronged you were and make yourself feel righteous. If he had perm-banned you, THAT would have been an abuse of power. As it was, he did what any Admin would do. There aren't many coincidences in TKing, it's usually some smacktard. If you explained and apologized, most Admins would have been apologetic for the kick and explained why it happened. It sounds like you'd rather complain that try to work it out...OpsChief wrote:
First I really appreciate and admire good admins. They work hard, most of them. Some take advantage of their position to mold the game their way. Thank God it's only a few.
Have you ever personally conducted a military investigation? You don't sound like it. You sound like a news media armchair lawyer (a cross between a couch potato and a barracks lawyer). Your comments look like you didn't read my post either. And don't tell me you never saw someone run or spawn into bullets in flight. Unless you are always a lone wolf and never engage beyond 5 meters you have seen it. period. It wasn't the TK that pissed me off it was the abuse of power...
I don't need to kiss butt, I AM an Admin... Try it some time, then come back here to bitch and whine about how unfair the world is...Smaug wrote:
They shouldn't take on the responsibility if they can't be responsible. Whos admin butt are u kissing?Klaarg wrote:
Admins are donating their time and already have their games screwed up by idiots questioning EVERY kick or warning they dole out. EA has made the games so short with their idiotic low ticket count, that an Admin barely gets to play during a round, as it is... So sure, after you TK an Admin(a pretty dumb thing to do, in anyone's book), he should have a lengthy, time wasting conversation about why you didn't have the good sense to stop shooting, once you saw a friendly come into view... Your argument makes about as much sense the Army's explanation for why they hid the truth in the Pat Tilman friendly fire death, in Afghanistan... It's simple, YOU are shooting in HIS direction and YOU can see him, but HE may not see YOU. It's YOUR responsibility not to shoot HIM, not HIS to avoid YOUR bullets... I can't wait for you to get stuck in Iraq, so you can try to explain how you shot your platoon all to hell, just because they didn't avoid running in front of your gung-ho, shoot it if it moves, M-16...OpsChief wrote:
It gets worse when, in some cases, the punisher is an Admin with extended punishment rights (power to kick) and no more self control than anyone else. I got threatened today with only 2 TKs in that game without a so much as a "why are you doing that?" as the Admin didn't ask why it was happening. Admins in particular should ask first threaten later please. I have been TKed more in one game by my own clan members and laughed even when I was running into their bullets so whats the problem?
I salute you....
Come to servers with a no attacking an uncap rule and you'll be bending over to kiss your ass goodbye, as the ban kicks in, genius...polarbearz wrote:
Well. MY rules still apply when I play. If you're down, I keep you down. So don't go down in the first place.
I.e. Oman: The F35 is weaker than the MiG. Period. If I shoot the Mig down, I WILL rape their uncap, rather than risk having it on my ass all over again.
Thing is? Spawning at conc site and hotel gives you 2 apcs and a tank, but NOOOOOOOOOOOO everyone wants a piece of the jets, so good for me, i'm getting more kills, sucks to be you, you refuse to spawn at any other flag but the airfield and get capped back to the uncap.
Shut the fuck up, bend the fuck over, and die like the stupid bitch you are.
That's fine. I am sure there are plenty of other servers out there, for you to go and be unhappy about.DSRTurtle wrote:
I won't be playing there any more. That's a bunch of bull, because those rules are contridictary.
That's stupid that you can't bomb UAV, Arty and Sat. And it's also bull that you can defend yourself when stealing a vehicle.
What really puzzles me is why was the SU-34 on the ground in the first place instead of killing USMC guys.
BTW, how much damage does bombing do to the UAV, Arty and SAT? As for the plane being on the ground, maybe the other players were busy playing the game on the ground as infantry... You should try it some time, it's a hoot...
You broke the rules of the server and got kicked, then ran your little rear here, to let people know you are an idiot that can't follow simple rules??? Enjoy your career at McDonalds or KFC... Get a clue... Admins will often take the gunner position on the Essex or the AA position at uncapable bases so they can watch the players and still play the game. It wasn't the fact that you killed the Admin that got you kicked, it was the fact that you had the self control of a crack addict and YOU BROKE THE RULE... YOU are apparently the one who is too stupid to understand. Admins make themselves targets just to catch fools like you. It's easier to remember the name of the rulebreaker, so you can look him up on the menu for kicking or banning. A lot of Admins use a seperate program to do their Admin work, so they have to alt-tab out of game and go to the other program to warn, kick or ban a player. In game commands don't always work and when it's an excessive TK call, they need to verify the stats. In case this has went over your head, running another program at the same time you are running BF2, oftens makes your game lag. So, not only are Admins donating their time, ruining their game and babysitting people they don't even know, they are also dropping te playability of the game with their Admin program in the background. If any of you whiners actually donate to help the servers you play on, then you complaining would hold some weight. As it is, you sound like a bunch of spoiled brats, crying to your mommy at nap time...gunpiss wrote:
The Gulf of Oman server I played yestoday on has one rule on the info: No attack on the non-cap base.
So I followed the rule. I was in the USMC jet. Every time I flow over the MEC airbase, I didn't shot or bomb. But there was the guy (most like to be the admin) in the Stinger in the airbase always trying to shot me down while I didn't make any attack. After serveral times being shot down by him, I had enough, took him out with a couple of shots.
Immediately I got kicked. Just what kind of rules doesn't allow you to self-defence?? I don't like to fly over their airbase, but they only had Hotel flag left. That admin is just too stupid to understand?
First off, the base raping rule states NO FIRING from any vehicle in the base. You fired on the APC in the plane you were stealing, so yes, it's kickable. Had you just left with your stolen plane, you wouldn't have been kicked. It'd be nice if retards like you read rules and grew up a little before bitching about all the free servers you play on. It's not in the bill of rights, for you to get to do what you want where ever you go, regardless of how much your parents let you get by with.alpinestar wrote:
the funny thing is I was there and about 4 MECs couldn't handle me but only way to prevent me of beeing shot was to get in that SU and run off, but I assure you that rules do not say anything about stealing vehicles and many people can confirm that moongamers has abusive admins
Did it ever occur to you guys that they didn't see your messages and that all they did see was you breaking server rules? In case you haven't picked up on this little tidbit, Admins can't see everything going on at once and even if they do see a plane, they have to get the name of the player before they can act. Unless you want to see a bunch of people complaining because the Admins kicked all the pilots, since he didn't knoiw who did it... Admins are in these games playing, just like you are. They are trying to have a good time, while playing the game. If you paid attention to how fast the chatter pops off of your screens, you'd realize that most people don't see all of it. I know for a fact that when I am shooting at someone, the last thing I look at is the stupid messages that people spam back and forth. In most cases, an Admin can't just take the players word for it, since many players will outright lie to make a case against a player that just owned their rear. So, unless there is an Admin at each base that isn't supposed to be attacked, it's impossible for all areas of the map to be covered effectively and even then, it's a crapshoot as to whether it will be witnessed by the Admin.
Lets take away the multiple ammo loads of the choppers & LAVs and make the reloading times closer to what they'd be in real life for all vehicles. Make the vehicles head back to base or an ammo dump to reload as well. Then the base raping will be greatly reduced, as the vehicle whores don't live as long in their little protective shells...[83rd]Stecchino wrote:
Although I sympathize with the above statement. The superior team must be rewarded and allowed to be relentless. As much as it sucks to be on the bad team, I'm a libertarian at heart.<b|k> lukie wrote:
This is a GAME! A game is intended to be FUN! So anti-main-base-rape rules assure FUN for 100% of the players and not only for 50%.
So some rules ensure FUN for ALL, and not POINTS for HALF of all.
And if your team suxx, you have absoluteley no chance of changing the situation, when being nailed to your uncap. DICE should have designed uncaps safer and more capable of self defense.
And it really suxx being on the baseraping team. It is so boring, absoluteley no challenge, nothing to do.
I do wholeheartedly agree that uncappable bases should be given a tad more defensive bunkers, positions, stationary guns/AA, etc.
Get a job that makes enough for you to start your own server... THEN you won't have to whine about not getting your own way all the time...smacktardthefirst wrote:
I am tired of the multiple rules some servers decide to have on. I am sick of the whiny little bastards that play this game that are not capable of adapting to game play. While I realize I should go play elsewhere, I like some variety in the servers that I play. Just a little tired of the babies that don't like.... base raping, spawn killing and so on. Adjust your play you pussies. your thoughts?
Admins are donating their time and already have their games screwed up by idiots questioning EVERY kick or warning they dole out. EA has made the games so short with their idiotic low ticket count, that an Admin barely gets to play during a round, as it is... So sure, after you TK an Admin(a pretty dumb thing to do, in anyone's book), he should have a lengthy, time wasting conversation about why you didn't have the good sense to stop shooting, once you saw a friendly come into view... Your argument makes about as much sense the Army's explanation for why they hid the truth in the Pat Tilman friendly fire death, in Afghanistan... It's simple, YOU are shooting in HIS direction and YOU can see him, but HE may not see YOU. It's YOUR responsibility not to shoot HIM, not HIS to avoid YOUR bullets... I can't wait for you to get stuck in Iraq, so you can try to explain how you shot your platoon all to hell, just because they didn't avoid running in front of your gung-ho, shoot it if it moves, M-16...OpsChief wrote:
It gets worse when, in some cases, the punisher is an Admin with extended punishment rights (power to kick) and no more self control than anyone else. I got threatened today with only 2 TKs in that game without a so much as a "why are you doing that?" as the Admin didn't ask why it was happening. Admins in particular should ask first threaten later please. I have been TKed more in one game by my own clan members and laughed even when I was running into their bullets so whats the problem?
Start your own server, with your own money and make your own rules. Otherwise, grow up and stop complaining about the servers that you play on FOR FREE... If you want to play that bad, you don't need to take the time to type out excited comments... In case you haven't figured it out, typing it out isn't the same as saying it, since you actually had to think about it and type it out. There's no real shock value, which is the whole point to comments you blurt out... Use TeamSpeak or Vox on servers that allow bad language there, then it actually is funny when you rant, rave and curse, when you get owned...masterHouse wrote:
I hate the language filter on the most servers, who gives a f*ck about what you are saying?
I think this should be out of the game. You can't say words like shit or noob. Who is with me?