Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6703|The Land of Scott Walker
Or where was it period in any mainstream network coverage?  Don't tell me there is no liberal media bias.  We've heard nothing of any of this from any news network.  Instead we get a daily report of death counts and unending criticism of our efforts in Iraq. 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national … -8853r.htm

Excerpt:

    It is first important to understand what the rebuilding team inherited. U.S. intelligence knew little about the actual state of Iraq's energy infrastructure and social service network. When the Army Corps of Engineers got on the ground, there was shock:
    • The three regional sewage treatments plants in greater Baghdad did not work; raw waste poured into the Tigris River and downstream through villages. Sadr City, the impoverished Shi'ite slum repressed by the ruling Sunni Ba'ath Party, lacked any sewage system. "Some slam the Americans because there is sewage in Sadr City," said an incredulous Mr. Popps. "Please."
    • Few towns had a central supply of clean water
    • The electrical grid suffered under 1950s technology and disrepair. Saddam Hussein starved the rest of the country of power to give the capital of 6 million about 20 hours a day.
    • The country lacked any primary health care facilities; hospitals and schools were run down and lacked supplies. New hospitals had not been built in 20 years. More than half the public health centers remained closed. Of 13,000 schools, more than 10,000 needed significant renovations.
   
    The Pentagon in 2003 summoned American firms to get reconstruction started in the absence of Iraqi ministries that could supervise and a private sector that was in shambles under Saddam's totalitarian rule.
    "The ministries were jammed with people who did nothing," Mr. Popps said. "They sat around and smoked and drank tea and held 'worry beads.' It was an economy based on incompetence and corruption."
    Today, the Pentagon is handing out a score sheet:
    • Six new primary care facilities, with 66 more under construction; 11 hospitals renovated; more than 800 schools fixed up; more than 300 police stations and facilities and 248 border control forts.
    • Added 407,000 cubic meters per day of water treatment; a new sewage-treatment system for Basra; work on Baghdad's three plants continues; oil production exceeds the 2002 level of 2 million barrels a day by 500,000.
    • The Ministry of Electricity now sends power to Baghdad for four to eight hours a day, and 10 to 12 for the rest of the country. Iraqis are now free to buy consumer items such as generators, which provide some homes with power around-the-clock.
    Mr. Popps said all this was accomplished despite a concerted effort by terrorists to bomb construction sites and kill workers. Thursday's kidnapping of private contractors south of Baghdad illustrates the problem. The State Department was forced to increase spending on security, up to $5 billion of the $20 billion, or risk losing more projects to saboteurs.
    The Army Corps has ferried reporters to what it considers successful sites in an effort to get a few positive stories on reconstruction. But rarely do any materialize, Mr. Popps said.
    "What has hurt the public perception of reconstruction is incomplete leaks to the media that there is a problem with a particular project," he said. "What is sexy to reporters is a police station that has urine in the ceiling. That's what the press prefers to talk about rather than the great successes we have made."
    The "urine" reference was contained in the latest bad news story about reconstruction in Iraq. Mr. Bowen reported in September he was reviewing all projects done by the California-based Parsons Corp. in the aftermath of finding serious plumbing problems at the $75 million Baghdad Police College. Mr. Bowen has criticized Parsons, which uses local Iraqi contractors, on other projects, including primary health care buildings.
    The company has cited the violent environment as part of the problem. A Pentagon spokesman said the company made all repairs by an Oct. 6 target at no government cost.
    There are two key money amounts devoted to reconstruction: One is $37 billion in cash the U.N. turned over to Iraq in 2003. The second is $36 billion appropriated by Congress, $20 billion of which was the Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Fund. The remaining $16 billion is evenly divided for building the Iraqi security forces and for various military projects, some controlled by U.S. commanders.
    In late September, Iraq rebuilders received some praise from Mr. Bowen. He made one of his periodic appearances before the House Government Reform Committee, where Chairman Thomas M. Davis III, Virginia Republican, said there was some good news out of the war-wrecked country.
    "You said accurately in your opening statement that not everything is wrong in Iraq, and that's true," Mr. Bowen responded. "A fair reading of our full report demonstrably underscores that fact. Indeed, 70 percent of the projects we've visited and 80 percent of the money allocated to them indicate that those projects, from a construction perspective, have met what the contract anticipated."
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6663|North Carolina
Thanks for the info.  It provides a lot of food for thought.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6703|The Land of Scott Walker
You're welcome, I thought is was quite interesting, too.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7014|United States of America
It's no wonder nothing was shown about this, the libs would be wrong about how things are worse than before.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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After reading the above, are any of those who support "redeployment" (aka running away) rethinking their opinion?
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6819

Miller wrote:

It's no wonder nothing was shown about this, the libs would be wrong about how things are worse than before.
Why didn't the conservatives bring it up?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6663|North Carolina

Stingray24 wrote:

After reading the above, are any of those who support "redeployment" (aka running away) rethinking their opinion?
Well, I'd like to elaborate on this further.  Let me make sure I get what you're saying here.  You're saying that Iraq is better now than it was during Saddam's reign, correct?  Let's establish that first.
jonsimon
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I'll have to revise my opinion on Iraq now.

We shouldn't be there, we shouldn't have gone there, we're not telling the truth about why we're there, but we have done somethin positive while were there.

I'm surprised something constructive and convincing came out of Stingray. +1
IRONCHEF
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Was electricity in Baghdad less than 2.5 hours a day?
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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Bubbalo wrote:

Miller wrote:

It's no wonder nothing was shown about this, the libs would be wrong about how things are worse than before.
Why didn't the conservatives bring it up?
They did, however, the lib media refuses to report it for fear of voters having positive information about Iraq.  There are no conservative mainstream networks, but I've been saying that for years.
jonsimon
Member
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Stingray24 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Miller wrote:

It's no wonder nothing was shown about this, the libs would be wrong about how things are worse than before.
Why didn't the conservatives bring it up?
They did, however, the lib media refuses to report it for fear of voters having positive information about Iraq.  There are no conservative mainstream networks, but I've been saying that for years.
coughfoxcough
Stingray24
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+1,060|6703|The Land of Scott Walker

jonsimon wrote:

I'll have to revise my opinion on Iraq now.

We shouldn't be there, we shouldn't have gone there, we're not telling the truth about why we're there, but we have done somethin positive while were there.

I'm surprised something constructive and convincing came out of Stingray. +1
*collapses from shock*  I got a +1 from jonsimon about Iraq.  Glad I was able to be a part in convincing you we have done something positive while there.
Commie Killer
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Stingray24 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Miller wrote:

It's no wonder nothing was shown about this, the libs would be wrong about how things are worse than before.
Why didn't the conservatives bring it up?
They did, however, the lib media refuses to report it for fear of voters having positive information about Iraq.  There are no conservative mainstream networks, but I've been saying that for years.
You have Fox but thats more independent leaning right.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
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jonsimon wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Why didn't the conservatives bring it up?
They did, however, the lib media refuses to report it for fear of voters having positive information about Iraq.  There are no conservative mainstream networks, but I've been saying that for years.
coughfoxcough
That's on cable and they have both conservatives and liberals on there from what little I've watched it.  Only basic cable for me, no extra channels.
jonsimon
Member
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Stingray24 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


They did, however, the lib media refuses to report it for fear of voters having positive information about Iraq.  There are no conservative mainstream networks, but I've been saying that for years.
coughfoxcough
That's on cable and they have both conservatives and liberals on there from what little I've watched it.  Only basic cable for me, no extra channels.
Well, lets put it this way, they have 'liberals' on Fox. They either have people act like liberals so they can make the conservatives look good, or they interview people so they can insult them and interrupt them. They're hardly even news. Perhaps they aren't conservative, but they are definetly republican.
Stingray24
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jonsimon wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:


coughfoxcough
That's on cable and they have both conservatives and liberals on there from what little I've watched it.  Only basic cable for me, no extra channels.
Well, lets put it this way, they have 'liberals' on Fox. They either have people act like liberals so they can make the conservatives look good, or they interview people so they can insult them and interrupt them. They're hardly even news. Perhaps they aren't conservative, but they are definetly republican.
I think Allen Combs does a pretty good job holding his own in the segments I've seen.  Anyway, even if Fox is majority Rep (which I still don't believe) you have to admit all the other mainstream networks do not have anything close to conservative in their news lineup.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6663|North Carolina
Fox News aside, yes, I do believe we've done some positive things in Iraq.  It's just that I have a few remaining questions.

First of all, how do you propose we balance the budget while staying in Iraq?  It's cost us $379 billion dollars so far, and the going rate is about $6 billion per month.  So, we have to cut spending in lots of areas to compensate for all this.  What cuts should we make, and how do you propose to get both parties to agree on it?

Second, do you really think this will pay off in the end, and why?

Third, how long do you think this mission will take?
jonsimon
Member
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Stingray24 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


That's on cable and they have both conservatives and liberals on there from what little I've watched it.  Only basic cable for me, no extra channels.
Well, lets put it this way, they have 'liberals' on Fox. They either have people act like liberals so they can make the conservatives look good, or they interview people so they can insult them and interrupt them. They're hardly even news. Perhaps they aren't conservative, but they are definetly republican.
I think Allen Combs does a pretty good job holding his own in the segments I've seen.  Anyway, even if Fox is majority Rep (which I still don't believe) you have to admit all the other mainstream networks do not have anything close to conservative in their news lineup.
I haven't seen much of any of the other news stations, so I won't comment either way. But fox is definetly republican or conservative.
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|6934|Belgium

Stingray24 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

I'm surprised something constructive and convincing came out of Stingray. +1
*collapses from shock*  I got a +1 from jonsimon about Iraq.  Glad I was able to be a part in convincing you we have done something positive while there.
At the risk of making you collapse a second time, I +1 you too!

After xx billion US dollars and + 2.800 US soldiers killed and thousands injured, something good should be done in Iraq, shouldn't it?

jonsimon wrote:

I'll have to revise my opinion on Iraq now.

We shouldn't be there, we shouldn't have gone there, we're not telling the truth about why we're there, but we have done somethin positive while were there.
I agree.

Last edited by Pierre (2006-11-22 01:12:22)

Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6807|San Diego, CA, USA
In the news business..."If its bleeds it leads."  Obviously there are improvements in Iraq that you have pointed out, but the sectarian violence in the capital is what dominating news - not that it shouldn't be reported.

Iraq needs a huge crackdown and reconsilidation period to reduce the violence.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6807|Southeastern USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Miller wrote:

It's no wonder nothing was shown about this, the libs would be wrong about how things are worse than before.
Why didn't the conservatives bring it up?
they tried, it was always poo-pooed by the rest of the media as "government propaganda", that's how fox news earned their "right wing" labelling, by actually trying to tell both sides of the story for once.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

It would not have mattered. The American people wanted change. It could have been a bunch of clowns riding around on pink elephants.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6807|Southeastern USA
it's pretty hard to make your case if 98% of the major news outlets are  just campaign outposts for the opposing party. did you notice how suddenly all these reports on how great the economy is started popping up the days after the election? what about murtha? election's over so now it's ok to start reporting on his bribery scandals. oh yeah, and the lowered cost of gas is now newsworthy as well.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7014|United States of America
I love our liberal media.  It's freedom of speech for anyone until you speak your mind against them.  Once they have control of the senate and house, everything is better instantaneously.  When there is a republican control of everything, it's all hell.  When Dem's run it, it's all heaven on earth. I love the bias of our media.  Fox, shouldn't be considered a republican network.  Bill O Reilly isn't a republican, I don't consider Sean Hannity a strong republican.  Brit Humes sucks when he tries to make his points, etc... The only thing you libs should worry about is the conservative radio, where the hosts are actually good at their jobs.

Last edited by Miller (2006-11-22 10:26:08)

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