This looks like an argument worthy of a shock paddle showdown on an empty BF2 server. FRAPS, anyone?
Seeing all these videos about bad stuff happening in Iraq, it makes the good vids seem like propaganda to me. I really have no idea how the situation there is, since the negative side seems to be the only thing shown on TV, news papers and internet.
But if the USA wants to keep a good image and look like they're helping the people. They should actually train the soldiers to treat the locals as humans. Looks like the civilians are commonly though to be part of the enemy, even though one of the wars causes was to liberate* the people. It doesn't matter if there are some people helping the locals if most of the Americans treat them like shit.
*Starting to hate that word. Aswell as "freedom"...
Wasn't the christmas event on WWI just one case? I don't think it happened in many places.
But if the USA wants to keep a good image and look like they're helping the people. They should actually train the soldiers to treat the locals as humans. Looks like the civilians are commonly though to be part of the enemy, even though one of the wars causes was to liberate* the people. It doesn't matter if there are some people helping the locals if most of the Americans treat them like shit.
*Starting to hate that word. Aswell as "freedom"...
Kind of off topic:Bubbalo wrote:
Actually, many Mid East nations were upset with conduct of Western nations in the first Gulf War due to them viewing enemies as brothers. Japan has a warrior tradition in which enemies are treated with respect. The same has sometimes been the case in Europe: during the first WWI christmas, the two sides played soccer with each other.BattlefieldMedic wrote:
But remind me of a single war where the enemy was treated equally, and with respect.How about I destroy your towns infrastructure then dangle a bottle of water in front of you and see how it makes you feel.BattlefieldMedic wrote:
Don't flame me though, just saying its not as bad you guys make it sound.
Wasn't the christmas event on WWI just one case? I don't think it happened in many places.
To help perputuate the system, sure. A system which punishes the poor and kind and rewards those with wealthy parents and a healthy amount of cruelty. But hey, isn't that worht fighting for?
Yup, but it certainly shows respect.Gawwad wrote:
Kind of off topic:
Wasn't the christmas event on WWI just one case? I don't think it happened in many places.
Another example would be Gallipoli. ANZAC troops are honoured by the Turkish to this day.
There were some instances of camaraderie between opposing forces in the American Civil War. It's been known to happen. After all, even soldiers are only human.
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Personally, I would argue that the military's job is to make them less than human, such that killing is not an issue, and that instances of mutual respect/camaradarie are their good human traits showing through, but yeah.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
There were some instances of camaraderie between opposing forces in the American Civil War. It's been known to happen. After all, even soldiers are only human.
See my post earlier on this thread to see US soldiers treating Iraqi kids as humans...Gawwad wrote:
Seeing all these videos about bad stuff happening in Iraq, it makes the good vids seem like propaganda to me. I really have no idea how the situation there is, since the negative side seems to be the only thing shown on TV, news papers and internet.
But if the USA wants to keep a good image and look like they're helping the people. They should actually train the soldiers to treat the locals as humans. Looks like the civilians are commonly though to be part of the enemy, even though one of the wars causes was to liberate* the people. It doesn't matter if there are some people helping the locals if most of the Americans treat them like shit.
*Starting to hate that word. Aswell as "freedom"...Kind of off topic:Bubbalo wrote:
Actually, many Mid East nations were upset with conduct of Western nations in the first Gulf War due to them viewing enemies as brothers. Japan has a warrior tradition in which enemies are treated with respect. The same has sometimes been the case in Europe: during the first WWI christmas, the two sides played soccer with each other.BattlefieldMedic wrote:
But remind me of a single war where the enemy was treated equally, and with respect.How about I destroy your towns infrastructure then dangle a bottle of water in front of you and see how it makes you feel.BattlefieldMedic wrote:
Don't flame me though, just saying its not as bad you guys make it sound.
Wasn't the christmas event on WWI just one case? I don't think it happened in many places.
When you get down to it, your standard commanding officer wants live soldiers, not dead ones. Hesitation in the face of fire only leads to more casualties. Discipline exists to trim excess, though that is not always successful or even exercised.Bubbalo wrote:
Personally, I would argue that the military's job is to make them less than human, such that killing is not an issue, and that instances of mutual respect/camaradarie are their good human traits showing through, but yeah.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
There were some instances of camaraderie between opposing forces in the American Civil War. It's been known to happen. After all, even soldiers are only human.
For anybody who happens to like sci-fi, allow me to recommend these, which are somewhat relevant to the topic at hand:
A Call to Arms: Book One of the Damned
The False Mirror: Book Two of the Damned
Spoils of War: Book Three of the Damned
Detailing the bizarre discovery of the incessantly violent human race by two coalitions of intragalactic species looking for just the sort of creature to help them fight. Given an object other than ourselves to fight, our violence is spread (reluctantly, by the victorious recruiter) throughout the stars in the hopes that by the time the war is over, humankind will have been tamed.
I wasn't commenting on why, just what.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
When you get down to it, your standard commanding officer wants live soldiers, not dead ones. Hesitation in the face of fire only leads to more casualties. Discipline exists to trim excess, though that is not always successful or even exercised.
What do you do for a living?Bubbalo wrote:
To help perputuate the system, sure. A system which punishes the poor and kind and rewards those with wealthy parents and a healthy amount of cruelty. But hey, isn't that worht fighting for?
So I supplied the why...Bubbalo wrote:
I wasn't commenting on why, just what.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
When you get down to it, your standard commanding officer wants live soldiers, not dead ones. Hesitation in the face of fire only leads to more casualties. Discipline exists to trim excess, though that is not always successful or even exercised.
I did. That actually got me thinking.silo1180 wrote:
See my post earlier on this thread to see US soldiers treating Iraqi kids as humans...Gawwad wrote:
Seeing all these videos about bad stuff happening in Iraq, it makes the good vids seem like propaganda to me. I really have no idea how the situation there is, since the negative side seems to be the only thing shown on TV, news papers and internet.
But if the USA wants to keep a good image and look like they're helping the people. They should actually train the soldiers to treat the locals as humans. Looks like the civilians are commonly though to be part of the enemy, even though one of the wars causes was to liberate* the people. It doesn't matter if there are some people helping the locals if most of the Americans treat them like shit.
*Starting to hate that word. Aswell as "freedom"...Kind of off topic:Bubbalo wrote:
Actually, many Mid East nations were upset with conduct of Western nations in the first Gulf War due to them viewing enemies as brothers. Japan has a warrior tradition in which enemies are treated with respect. The same has sometimes been the case in Europe: during the first WWI christmas, the two sides played soccer with each other.BattlefieldMedic wrote:
But remind me of a single war where the enemy was treated equally, and with respect.
How about I destroy your towns infrastructure then dangle a bottle of water in front of you and see how it makes you feel.
Wasn't the christmas event on WWI just one case? I don't think it happened in many places.
You know, when you think something is just plain evil and then you see pictures of them doing good stuff, it looks like propaganda. Think about it. There are hundreds of videos about american soldiers treating Iraqi people like shit. I am sure that there are a lot of american soldiers at Iraq who love to help the locals and also do it every change they get, but what the media shows us tends to be only the negative side.
Trend to hate America -> Media shows what the people want to see.
I'm definately against the war, but I just can't belive that there would only be bad people in the army.
I run around with an AK ululating and running when soldiers arrive.Clark W Griswald wrote:
What do you do for a living?
Seriously.
Of course they're all bad, they're American aren't they.Gawwad wrote:
I'm definately against the war, but I just can't belive that there would only be bad people in the army.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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that has begun to puzzle me again as of late, you say you're in school but you're always online, are you like a stephen hawking dude with a cellphone card in your wheelchair laptop spamming the forums all day?
You make a good point. What the heck was I thinking?Bubbalo wrote:
I run around with an AK ululating and running when soldiers arrive.Clark W Griswald wrote:
What do you do for a living?
Seriously.Of course they're all bad, they're American aren't they.Gawwad wrote:
I'm definately against the war, but I just can't belive that there would only be bad people in the army.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I´ve worked with US soldiers i both Bosnia and Kosovo and this is how they are. retards with guns. They think they are god´s just because they are americans and can do anything they want. And if you are an american you are automaticlly a HERO!!!!! If one US soldier gets a blister during a march he is a HERO and gets a medal for it.
What do you do?Bubbalo wrote:
I run around with an AK ululating and running when soldiers arrive.Clark W Griswald wrote:
What do you do for a living?
Exams are over. I laugh in your face!kr@cker wrote:
that has begun to puzzle me again as of late, you say you're in school but you're always online, are you like a stephen hawking dude with a cellphone card in your wheelchair laptop spamming the forums all day?
Who are you?[Styx]Sockan wrote:
I´ve worked with US soldiers i both Bosnia and Kosovo and this is how they are. retards with guns. They think they are god´s just because they are americans and can do anything they want. And if you are an american you are automaticlly a HERO!!!!! If one US soldier gets a blister during a march he is a HERO and gets a medal for it.
i still love
Bubbalo wrote:
I too smart for school!
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God!Clark W Griswald wrote:
Who are you?
Well I am!kracker wrote:
i still loveBubbalo wrote:
I too smart for school!
/fail[Styx]Sockan wrote:
If one US soldier gets a blister during a march he is a HERO and gets a medal for it.
Not everyone's a Kerry in our military.
I think initially the intent (of the war) was in the right place, but it's definitely gotten out of hand and it's definitely a no-win situation for our military. I don't think our powers-that-be anticipated the attacks on the troops that now exist.Gawwad wrote:
I did. That actually got me thinking.silo1180 wrote:
See my post earlier on this thread to see US soldiers treating Iraqi kids as humans...Gawwad wrote:
Seeing all these videos about bad stuff happening in Iraq, it makes the good vids seem like propaganda to me. I really have no idea how the situation there is, since the negative side seems to be the only thing shown on TV, news papers and internet.
But if the USA wants to keep a good image and look like they're helping the people. They should actually train the soldiers to treat the locals as humans. Looks like the civilians are commonly though to be part of the enemy, even though one of the wars causes was to liberate* the people. It doesn't matter if there are some people helping the locals if most of the Americans treat them like shit.
*Starting to hate that word. Aswell as "freedom"...
Kind of off topic:
Wasn't the christmas event on WWI just one case? I don't think it happened in many places.
You know, when you think something is just plain evil and then you see pictures of them doing good stuff, it looks like propaganda. Think about it. There are hundreds of videos about american soldiers treating Iraqi people like shit. I am sure that there are a lot of american soldiers at Iraq who love to help the locals and also do it every change they get, but what the media shows us tends to be only the negative side.
Trend to hate America -> Media shows what the people want to see.
I'm definately against the war, but I just can't belive that there would only be bad people in the army.
It's pretty pathetic when the people leading the charge on making our military look bad is our own media. We get so overwhelmed with images making the US military look bad on our own news that it's beceome a fad to hate the military and the people in the military. We're brainwashed and have lost the ability to think for ourselves.
Just my opinion.
But you are right, when I see a pic or a vid of US troops being good, it looks weird. I'm sure some of it is setup (meaning they make sure a camera is there to see someone doing something good) I think the majority of people actually serving would like to actually do more for the people. I know when I served I considered myself an ambassador and wanted to leave the people I encountered with a positive outlook on Americans.
I would probably act the same way. I just don't understand people who want to hurt or even just be mean to other people for no apparent reason. I don't see how one can feel good after treating some poor child like shit for no reason. Atleast I get a good feeling inside every time I help someone out or just be nice to someone. Being an asshole for no reason just makes me feel like shitsilo1180 wrote:
I think initially the intent (of the war) was in the right place, but it's definitely gotten out of hand and it's definitely a no-win situation for our military. I don't think our powers-that-be anticipated the attacks on the troops that now exist.Gawwad wrote:
I did. That actually got me thinking.silo1180 wrote:
See my post earlier on this thread to see US soldiers treating Iraqi kids as humans...
You know, when you think something is just plain evil and then you see pictures of them doing good stuff, it looks like propaganda. Think about it. There are hundreds of videos about american soldiers treating Iraqi people like shit. I am sure that there are a lot of american soldiers at Iraq who love to help the locals and also do it every change they get, but what the media shows us tends to be only the negative side.
Trend to hate America -> Media shows what the people want to see.
I'm definately against the war, but I just can't belive that there would only be bad people in the army.
It's pretty pathetic when the people leading the charge on making our military look bad is our own media. We get so overwhelmed with images making the US military look bad on our own news that it's beceome a fad to hate the military and the people in the military. We're brainwashed and have lost the ability to think for ourselves.
Just my opinion.
But you are right, when I see a pic or a vid of US troops being good, it looks weird. I'm sure some of it is setup (meaning they make sure a camera is there to see someone doing something good) I think the majority of people actually serving would like to actually do more for the people. I know when I served I considered myself an ambassador and wanted to leave the people I encountered with a positive outlook on Americans.
I get the thrust of your post, but for this one point.BattlefieldMedic wrote:
But remind me of a single war where the enemy was treated equally, and with respect.
"The enemy" != Some fucking kids.
While I understand the impulse to act with suspicion against adults there's no reason to tease children for amusement, no matter how tense you might be or how bad your day has been.